I butchered three deer on the hoof with federal 150 gr. high-shok out of a 308, to me they open to quick.

This post makes me kinda sad, I hope you get your health under control! My mother and father in law had gout.

I started years ago when they gave 2 million for gun control!

I'll say this, I've hunted with model 7, browning 86 and other rifles but my marlin 336 30/30 is the slickest, handiest, keenest packin deer rifle I own with out a doubt!

getitdone1, the main difference in them to me is the field of veiw. When I want to get a good look at something I get a good rest. There are a lot of good glasses out there and certainly cheaper but I would have been dollars ahead if I had bought these years ago!

I have the EL 10x42 Swarovski best glass period! I gave my oldest son my EL 8x32 Swarovski's to use on the job (swat team). These are the best glass I have ever looked through!