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Gary7

Not so , his story goes on that that the fix I mentioned WAS done in the 1901 model which is the same as the 87 by the way ,exept it was a 10 gauge and had the new spring set up to correct the flaw Well, I don't think that is correct. The 1887 never had the two-piece lever like the 1901 did.

Gary7

I have a model 87 being finished with a fully rifled 12 gauge barrel . Coyote Cap is doing this . I was asking him why they need to have that funky leather wrap on the jointed lever when all of the orriginal 87's had a solid handle ? He told me the orriginal ones had a fatal flaw in them , in that ...

Gary7

My thoughts exactly. Springfields prices have raised lately. The rock islands are a great bang for the buck. But I decided that I wanted one made in the US. The Remington R1 is what I decided on . It can be had for $600 which is a $100 more than the other two. It looks like a 1911 should in my opin...

Gary7

My wife and I saw this movie yesterday and enjoyed it very much. I love JW and think that with anyone else the original wouldn't have been that great. As mentioned by others, There is no way Rooster would have rode by a standing horse with the ride he had with that kind of weight to carry. Maybe I ...

Gary7

I saw True Grit last night with the wife. In some circles I might be called a blasphemer, but all in all I'd say it's superior to the John Wayne version - although not by much, mind you! I saw the original just last week (or the week before?) on TV, and I like the original very much. John Wayne's v...

Gary7

My Blu-Ray of "The Edge" arrived today from Amazon.com. I popped it in and went directly to this frame: http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge06.jpg On the cartridge sticking out of the box that Baldwin's index finger is touching (not the one he is removing from the box) the headstamp clear...

Gary7

I still think they are 45-70 based on the length of the cartridge in relation to Baldwin's thumb and fingers.

I'm getting this in Blu-Ray, so maybe in hi-def I'll be able to read the head stamp on the cartridges.

Gary7

Mike D. wrote:I believe that the '86 in that movie was a .45-90, IIRC.

These look like 45-70s to me:

Gary7

rjohns94 wrote:What girl???

Anthony Hopkins' ol' lady:

Gary7

Here's some snapshots from the film: http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge01.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge02.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge03.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge04.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge05.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Edge/Edge06.jpg...

Gary7

I watched "The Edge" tonight with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin. I saw this years ago and never noticed that the rifle they found in the abandoned hunting cabin was an 1886 in 45-70.

Gary7

Beretta.

Gary7

I recently picked up a reproduction of the 1910 Winchester catalog and I was surprised to see the 1873 still prominently featured right along with the 86, 92, 94, and 95. When did Winchester stop making/selling the 73? Since the 92 was designed to "fill its shoes," I would have thought pro...

Gary7

When I inspected it at the dealer I could see that this was an early production gun, which concerned me, but it cycled smoothly and functioned properly, so I brought it home. Sprayed it down with Balistol to clean all the packing lube off and out of it. Wiped it down, scrubbed it out, cycled it a fe...

Gary7

I have one its a blast! Love the short overall length, 7 round capacity, and lightweight. Hate to buy from china too :cry: . Try to find products made here, its tough. The US arms manufactorers quit making the guns i like, so i have little choice but to buy overseas :evil: But, it wasn't me who put...

Gary7

Even though the 87 is not directly linked on the current IAC website, the 87 page is still there. It looks like they no longer say it has the two load system.

Gary7

Good for you. Always wanted to shoot an '87. Saw a SASS shooter shooting one at a match and boy he could smoke that wagon. He'd load two at a time and was amazingly fast. I know some of them come with the two load system. This one didnt. I will prob. get it sent off and have it added along with act...

Gary7

An exact reproduction of TR's 1876.

Gary7

If someone would reproduce the REAL 1895 Marlin then they'd have somethin'. The '81 is too frail for serious loads. For "serious loads" I assume you mean 45-70 loaded up to pressures and velocities the cartridge was never originally designed for. I would assume an 1881 made with modern st...

Gary7

I noticed Uberti is now offering a reproduction of the 1883 Burgess. If Uberti or Pedersoli or Cimarron were to start offering a reproduction of the Marlin 1881 in 45-70, would you be interested?

Gary7

Gary, Power and pressure wise it could. Cartridge length wise the 76 didn't have the capability to handle the longer 45-70 round. The 45-75 is a shorter, maybe not by much, bottle necked round. The 45-70 uses a basically straight case. Joe So, while the 86 clearly has a stronger action from a funda...

Gary7

I've read several times in various sources that the "big" advantage of the 1886 over the 1876 was that the Browning design could handle much more powerful cartridges than the toggle-link 76 action. The specific cartridge mentioned is the 45-70, which the 76 was never chambered in. But the ...

Gary7

IT SAYS: Only fifteen [15] WHEATIES boxtops and this ugly monstrosity is YOURS !!! I actually think it's a quite elegant looking rifle. It's clear Browning was building on his single shot design for this lever action. It's also clear for a prototype built by the Browning bothers, it shows a high de...

Gary7

jnyork wrote:What does the placard under the gun say?

I can't read it. These are snap shots from a YouTube video.

Gary7

Anybody know anything about this 1882 lever gun on display at the Browning museum? JMB was awarded a patent in 1882 for a lever action, so I'm guessing this is a prototype of that gun that he made himself. http://www.oysterquartz.net/Browning/1882-1.jpg http://www.oysterquartz.net/Browning/1882-2.jpg

Gary7

rangerider7 wrote:Now days I'm happy any western is made.

Me too. Looking forward to the new "True Grit."

Gary7

Bluehawk wrote:3030 was introduced in 1895

Typo.

Gary7

TX,that 99 is better lookin than I expected.many of the 99's that were drilled for scopes had side mounts on the reciver that left it looking like a piece of swiss cheese when removed. if the bore looks decent I don't think it's a bad price. They are pretty cool rifles. and Savage was way ahead of ...

Gary7

Bluehawk wrote:1895

???

Gary7

MrMurphy wrote:The fact that they used an actual period Starr and Colt? shotgun and Spencer......high marks for me.

Not me. That just make the errors with the Winchester doubly egregious.

Gary7

Ysabel Kid wrote:I doubt any actor comes close to Selleck's desire for historical accuracy.

Yeah, but what about "Monty Walsh"? That story was set in 1893 and the 1886 he carries was chambered in 50-110. Wasn't the 50-110 introduced later than 1893?

Gary7

From another thread about this: OK, we both know they screwed up and really meant the .30-30 WCF. But for the sake of being a cross-grained old cuss I have to point out there really was a .30-30 cartridge on the market as early as 1880, according to Cartridges of the World. It was the .30-30 Wesson...

Gary7

J Miller wrote:Cos it's Hollyweird and not to be taken seriously.

Maybe not, but just because you're telling a story for entertainment purposes doesn't mean you can't get the historical details correct.

Gary7

I watched Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" this afternoon. It's too bad Eastwood isn't a stickler for accuracy the way Tom Selleck is in his westerns. "Unforgiven" takes place in 1881, so why are some of the characters carrying Winchester 1892s? And why is one character complaining ...

Gary7

RIHMFIRE wrote:heres the answer to your trivia question right from Tom Selleck himself
http://www.cascity.com/tom-selleck-interview/1401/

Yes, I posted that link above.

Gary7

3leggedturtle wrote:it really awkward if you shoot and carrry left handed

Now I'm curious. What is awkward about shooting a 99 left handed?

Gary7

Why does the safety have to be put into the fire position to operate the lever to unload a chambered round? Watch the cocking indicator on the receiver as you work the lever to open the action. The reason the safety has to be in the fire position is the action de-cocks every time you operate the le...

Gary7

It was an 1876 Winchester...haven't seen the movie but did read an article on it. :) Yep. Movie was "Crossfire Trail." I watched it at my uncle's over Thanksgiving. Good movie. Selleck talks about it and the rifle (and some of his other Westerns and guns) in this interview: http://www.cas...

Gary7

Tom Selleck has starred in two movie where the rifles he used were almost characters of the stories in and of themselves. Both were engraved with the initials of their owners. One was the Sharps in "Quigley Down Under." The other was a lever action. Name that rifle and the movie.

Gary7

The recent discussion on smoothing up the 1894 Winchester brings to mind one obvious question: how well does its main competitor -- the 336 Marlin -- smooth up? I think the 1894 Marlin is used in Cowboy Action which suggests it must smooth up nicely, and the 336 is just a long version of it. My bud...

Gary7

I dont know how I feel about "made in Japan" stamped on a gun, having never owned one. What I do know is I recently handled one of the new 1885 single shots and it was a beauty. It was priced a little more than $800. I thought it was a steal at that price. I was told it there were other c...

Gary7

Yes it is a deluxe 1895 rifle with a lyman peep sight. John Milius (the rough riders dirrector and also,a big hunter/shooter and a NRA board member) is a big 1895 fan, and this one is his personal rifle. The real rough riders did use some '95 carbines (they could use there own guns at the time but ...

Gary7

I noticed in "Rough Riders" that the 1895 carried by Teddy Roosevelt (Tom Berenger) is not a saddle ring carbine like the other officers are carrying but what looks like a full-size sporting model. Note the Schanabel forearm and receiver mounted peep sight. http://www.oysterquartz.net/1895...

Gary7

So, why .308? Why not revisit the smaller caliber question at this time? There may be no logical explanation, aside from just the American obsession with all things .30-caliber. :) I do think at that time they were still wedded to the long-standing idea of rifles and light/medium machine guns shari...

Gary7

Aren't most factory 45-70 loads in the 25,000 psi range? SAAMI max is 28,000. The force exerted on the lugs depends on the pressure times the area of the case head. A 4 inch hydraulic cylinder at 3,000 psi exerts more force than a 3 inch diameter cylinder at the same pressure. A .454 head diameter c...

Gary7

The force exerted on the lugs depends on the pressure times the area of the case head. A 4 inch hydraulic cylinder at 3,000 psi exerts more force than a 3 inch diameter cylinder at the same pressure. A .454 head diameter cartridge exerts more force than does a smaller diameter case such as a 30-30 ...

Gary7

Mich hunter wrote:86

Okay. Why?

Gary7

I was just watching Hickok45's latest video of his Browning 1886. He has referred to the 1886 as having the "strongest" lever action made. I'm not sure I agree with that. The rear locking lug of the 95 action offers more locking surface for the bolt than the side locking lugs of the 86. Pl...

Gary7

John Garand originally designed the M1 around the 276 Pedersen under the assumption that it was going to be adopted to replace the 30-06. Douglas MacArthur ultimately vetoed that and Garand had to redesign the M1 action to accept the longer 30-06 cartridge. If the 276 had been adopted it would proba...

Gary7

Don't sell the .348wcf short. It was designed by winchester to handle all big alaskan game out to 200 yards. It did it's job well, as alaskan guides still use them to back up their client's. Right. Don't buy into that old line that the Model 70 was the "Rifleman's Rifle." That distinction...

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