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I don't remember if I posted it or not. Here's a pic

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I've had Turnbull do two rifles since last August. What kind of turn-around time does Turnbull run these days? It actually depends on the time of the year. When everyone starts getting their income tax returns it can be up to three months. I took the Win 1886 in last August and they called me two w...

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I've had Turnbull do two rifles since last August. The latest one is a Winchester/Miroku 1885 High Wall. All I can say is that their work is outstanding. A visit to their showroom will have you drooling. Some of their best workmanship is on display and it is really, really nice. I picked up the High...

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Well, I'm in my mid sixties and I've been carrying guns for almost sixty years. Lots of bolt guns and lots of lever guns. I've never had a problem carrying a lever gun slinged the way I have it set up. No problems at all. However, I don't disagree with whatever works for anyone. If you like slinging...

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Here's how I slinged mine. Uncle Mike's clamp-on and a stud in the butt stock.

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As of yesterday, Starline was showing it in stock.

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. IMHO, Mike might respond quicker to a PM from here (leverguns.com), than sort though God only knows how many emails he gets. I've found that many small gunsmith shops don't reply to emails - if they did, they wouldn't have any time to work their magic. I'm sure that a larger outfit, like Turnbull...

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. Welcome to the group, Dustin - You got a nice score, @ that price. I had two of those 1886EL's, a standard grade, which I traded for a High Grade. You might waht to take it dancing, before you send her for plastic surgery, since they worked just fine, as-issued, for me. (YMMV, of course) For mods...

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Yeah it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. Does that reamer produce anything like a forcing cone or taper into the rifling, or is it abrupt like the saami chamber? Supposed to be a taper of some degree. I'm going to do an impact cast the week after next. I'll post a pic of the results. They actua...

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Hi everyone, I've been lurking around here for a couple months and finally got myself registered. Other than my dads '94 that I grew up with, I just bought my first lever gun. It's a new Win 1886 EL. I did watch for the Brownings, but my lgs overbought and is closing the winchesters out for $849. I...

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It creates a leade. Sammi specs on this caliber don't allow for any leade. Just about every Miroku will have this problem. It shows up more using bullets with a wide meplate. Pointed bullets used in single shots allow for using heavier bullets without much of a leade. The lever guns cause havoc. It...

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I just got back from Turnbull Mfg. They have a long rack of guns there that include original Winchesters and the new Win/Miroku guns. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference regarding a quality perspective. I know that most shooters would prefer to have an original Winchester in near new condit...

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hfcable wrote:I rented reamer [ ? I think for 25-30$ ] , gunsmith friend did the job for 50$ . problem solved.

Yup, that's what I'm talking about. Eighty bucks total investment and you get that back on the first hundred new cases you buy PLUS you can shoot any bullet.

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Lengthening the throat has no drawbacks. It won't hurt the gun, ruin accuracy,or cause any other problems if done by someone familiar with these guns. I had Turnbull do mine and I doubt there is anyone on this planet that knows more about the 1886 than they do. They used the same reamer on my Mirok...

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Lengthening the throat has no drawbacks. It won't hurt the gun, ruin accuracy,or cause any other problems if done by someone familiar with these guns. I had Turnbull do mine and I doubt there is anyone on this planet that knows more about the 1886 than they do. They used the same reamer on my Miroku...

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This matches my experience with the Miroku/Winchester chambers - couldn't quite close the bolt on a 525 gr. hard cast bullet. I missed this I guess. It's true that the miroku chamber is tight, but I think it's in saami spec. Do you trim your cases to length every time? My 45/70 cases grow enough to...

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It creates a leade. Sammi specs on this caliber don't allow for any leade. Just about every Miroku will have this problem. It shows up more using bullets with a wide meplate. Pointed bullets used in single shots allow for using heavier bullets without much of a leade. The lever guns cause havoc. It'...

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If your gun is a Miroku made Winchester or Browning, it would have had a very short throat in it. In fact, almost nonexistent. I recently took my Winchester/Miroku to Turnbull and had some work done to it. While it was there I had them check the chamber with their reamer. When dropped in the gun, it...

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"I love Winchester singleshots - in case you hadn't guessed by now. I think they are the best singleshot rifle ever made, bar none. Maybe the best rifle, period "

Got to agree with you. They are near perfect in every way.

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Recently Winchester/Miroku released some low walls in a few rifle calibers. I don't remember all the calibers but I know as soon as I sell a revolver I'm trying to get rid of I'm going to get a low wall in .243. They pop up on gunbroker from time to time. Some on there now.

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This really tests my memory, but, I thought that I was having trouble chambering my 45-70 loads in my USRAC 1886 EL (a hair too much OAL) that fit perfectly in the Cowboy, and Guide Gun. :? :? BlainG, if your gun was a Miroku made Winchester it would have had a very short throat in it. In fact, alm...

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Old Ironsights is selling a guide gun, one of the all time best hunting rigs in the world. There's nothing you can do with the Browning or Winchester that you can't do with the guide gun. I mention that because I have 4 45/70s and the guide gun would be the last to go.... The Marlin will not functi...

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The butt plate comes in different configurations. Some are shotgun type butt plates and some are the curved kind. You might want to give that some serious consideration before buying. The curved ones are somewhat severe when it comes to recoil. The shotgun type can have a recoil pad added. Just a th...

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Both are good. The Brownings are very hard to find and the Winchesters are getting harder to find and the price keeps going up. I ended up with a NIB old stock Winchester/Miroku with the safety and no half notch hammer. I didn't have a problem with this but I wanted to get it case color finished so ...

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I'm not sure if you are inquiring about the original guns or the newer Winchester/Miroku guns. I have a newer one and it is a very well made, very accurate rifle. It will shoot 1moa with several different loads. The out of the box trigger is just a little over three pounds and I find that quite sati...

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What was the original problem you sent it back for....before they put the new barrel on the gun? Buzz off dude I've grown tired of you . 6pt, your entire post since you started it makes no sense at all. You've never said what was wrong with the gun to begin with and you're just on a rant against Sa...

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What was the original problem you sent it back for....before they put the new barrel on the gun?

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. They also at that time told me the action had been killed (their exact words) . good riddance -- the last thing you need is an out of battery discharge when you are farting around with it at the range Still don't see how Savage sucks though ------- seen the same performance with some expensive TC...

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This is posted on another site also. When questioned about what was wrong with the gun no answer was given. This poster claims Savage cut the gun in half and wouldn't return it. Sounds like the gun was altered and made unsafe and Savage didn't want the liability of it being sold, used, or traded. Th...

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As far as getting Turnbull, isn't this Shot Show time. I know he hits every one of them. Plus it is convention time in general. I always saw him at Dallas Safari Club. It's that time of year that business hit the road to drum up more business. I think you might be right. Here's the list from his we...

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Thanks. So far mine goes bang every time. Trigger pull is kinda heavy for me. If I was gonna get a trigger job, thought I'd go whole way. Anyone know a good Lever smith in North Texas? I have a guy but he doesn't work on lever guns. Called Turnbull left message and contact info. Nothing, no call ba...

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Turnbull Mfg. 585-657-6338

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" Brent, I bought one at the Cabelas in Dundee Michigan a year and a half ago. Mine has a great trigger is finished well and does everything I would expect it to do. these rifles are stocked much like a Model 64 Winchester and are easy to shoot with heavy loads. I don't think they are all probl...

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I purchased two of these rifles last year from Cabela's. I sent the first one back due to it being defective and received another one. It too was defective. Both were defective and would not cycle ammo from the tube onto the carrier. They looked great on the outside but were crudely machined on the ...

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I to have a Win 1886 in 45-70. I've gotten the Rem 300 JHP to shoot well in the gun but they've never shot quite as well as the 405g JSP bullet. I've found this to be true in all the 45-70s I've owned. I'd suggest you try to find some 405g bullets and try them. I've shot a number of deer with the 40...

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I've shot quite a few with the 357 in a Marlin lever gun. My favorite load was with 296 powder using a Hornady XTP 158g HP. I've killed deer out to 100yds with no problem and got a couple further than that with no problem. Deer just aren't that hard to kill. Shot placement trumps muzzle energy every...

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I think you're in for a bit of trouble. The Marlin action is not designed to take the longer cast bullet loads you're probably going to want to use with black powder. In fact, some factory loads will not feed through this action. Hornady developed it's LeveRevolution rounds just because of this acti...

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I have a relatively new Winchester 1886 45-70 that I put a Burris FastFire3 on using a Turnbull receiver mount. It sits very low on the receiver and doesn't look overly conspicuous on the gun. I bought a new Williams FP receiver sight at the same time and put both on the gun. After looking through t...

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Don, I've got an 1886 in 45-70 and I know what you mean about a sore shoulder. I'd shoot about six or seven shots at a target and want to quit shooting. I recently took the gun to Turnbull to get it case colored and while he had it he put a KickEzz pad on it. He said he thought it was the best choic...

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I personally think open carry as a civilian in public is stupid. Your giving the bad guy advance warning. If he is out to do something bad, you are getting it first. If 50 people are open carrying, well, thats different. In public, I don't want anyone to know whats in my pocket, although I do have ...

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Maybe it's just me, but I've been using Blackhorn 209 for about three years and I've never heard of "blackhorn cleaner". Is this something special being sold to clean up guns that have had Blackhorn 209 fired out of them? Blackhorn 209 is a smokeless powder developed for muzzle loaders and...

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The manufacturers of heaters with O2 sensors claim that no one has ever died when using a heater with the O2 sensor on it. I googled that info and could not find one documented case of a death due to CO2 poisoning with the sensor present. Years back, there were heaters on the market without low O2 s...

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The Big (double) Buddy Heater will give you all the heat you need and can be turned down to half output if it gets too warm. It has a low oxygen sensor so you won't go to sleep and never wake up. I've been using one in my trailer for a couple of years now and it keeps it pretty warm in there all nig...

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I had one like that about twenty years ago. I marked the cylinder and sent it to them. They replaced it with a new cylinder that shot very, very well. Quick turn around time also. Easiest fix to this problem.

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My somewhat new Miruko 1886 in 45-70 seems to shoot pretty good. I'm in the process of working up some kind of load to use for deer hunting with it and haven't tried a lot of different loads yet. Yesterday I shot it at my camp off bags at 114 yds and got some acceptable results with it. I have more ...

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I ended up buying some since I couldn't get anything else. I'm glad I did. They work great in my guns and I've had no failures to fire. I expected something to happen with the accuracy but it's unchanged in either large pistol or small. Best part, they're cheap. Who'd of thought?

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Thanks for all the replys. Some really good advice here. I checked out the Kickeez slip on pads and decided to go with that. After thinking it over, I decided not to alter the gun in any way that was permanent. I don't mind the recoil when hunting, it's just taking it to the bench with a half dozen ...

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I've been working up some different loads for my light weight Win/Miruko 45-70 and I'm really not enjoying the process. The gun shoots great but even the lighter loads aren't enjoyable shooting with a light shirt on. The metal butt plate just isn't designed for recreational target shooting. Any sugg...

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I've only used 180gr handloads and handguns for .357 deer but IME just about any 158 on up of decent design (no RNs or FMJs) will do for whitetail in your carbine. You will gain some margin for error with the true powerhouse and designer loads but if you hit in the boiler room not a deer in the wor...

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It's about as much fun as you can have and still be legal.

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