Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com

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Interesting concept.

I think it could work really well especially for the younger crowd who aren't somewhat set in their ways like us older folks.

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PACO KELLY From his book "American Heritage Leverguns" A REAL CAST HUNTING STORY IN THE FOREST WILDERNESS….USA I left the house while still dark, the sky was clear and the stars were bright. It was still cold but not has it had been, instantly numbing. The bright white snow allowed me to ...

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From Paco's book AN AMERICAN HERITAGE – LEVERGUNS (1986) I was rereading Paco's book recently and thought I'd pick a few of Paco's interesting stories and post them for those that are not fortunate enough to own his book. Here's the first.... Chapter 9 - Gone But Not Ineffective (32-20) We were goi...

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Hi Bulldozer, Welcome to the forum! :D It was a great couple of days in the company of other lever gun enthusiasts who like to shoot steel targets at extended distances. It was very nice to meet you and your wife there. Glad that you and your wife had a great time. We hope to see you and your wife a...

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I like it!

Here's another:
Happy Days Are Here Again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH01FhqMdc8

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Carlson Highway, Their are some variables to how much compression is needed.... >Case manufacturer (R-P 44-40 cases have the most capacity) >Bullet seating depth >Brand of b.p. - higher density = less compression / lower density = more compression That being said, in Starline Brass, using 40 grs. by...

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6...
Thank you for the update. All good reasons that the velocities were not closer to catalog.......

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Well said Ben.......the typical leftist response is to do it where facial confrontation is not included. I'm one of the few TRUMP supporters around here...all of these college educated white people think H is the cats meow....but very, very few of them have H signs on their lawns. My Trump banner g...

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6... Thank you. 1938 Catalog ballistics indicate 2,060 f.p.s. which was probably taken with the powder positioned to the back of the case. A fellow I knew that worked at the Hodgdon Ballistic lab until he retired in 2006, told me that cartridges were placed into the test chamber by first picking up ...

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Jack SR, I did that test the day after I got home. I took three rds, replaced the primers and shot them out of a Marlin 1889. Speeds were 1884, 1901, and 1944. About a 2" group at 50 yards. More testing to come. The bullets weighed 145 grains----6 6... Thank you for the data. What was the barr...

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6.... Thank you for the kind words. I'm looking forward to your tests with those vintage powders..... Don't forget the test with the 38-40 Hi Speed cartridges. If I had known that they were going got go off with a click- bang, I would have pulled the bullets, and resized the cases, removing the old ...

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Jack 6, After seeing that pic you took of me, I said to myself, wow! do I look that bad! Of course, bad light, tired, too pooped to pop, etc. So I thought I better take a pic of myself today (My first selfie!) just to be sure I still looked somewhat ok.... http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30...

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Close to 20 lever gun enthusiasts were on hand for the jubilee . :D http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66743 Here are some pics.... It was nice to see Sixgun Jack there along with Cimarron Red. Julian Jammet from France, was vacationing in the US with his wife and was there a...

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vancelw,
Sorry I did not find the update sooner.

mm93,
Interesting story! Thank you.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUE0g_Dado

Finding the abandoned Winchester ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkboM5FBAd0

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Yea Jacko......Cut the grass today, put out a 3 x 5 Trump flag on the front yard, got the Rubicon ready and wissssoooo, talked the wife into letting me go....that was not easy.......gonna bring some leverguns, a few single action Colts....and of course, the BAR with a mess of ammo. When are you get...

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Awesome! Cimmaron Red and Jack will be there!!

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Six, Thank you for the pic and the info. I'm thinking that the 6.5 when sized to .257 might pucker just a tad on the bottom and upon ignition, it is pushed flat and the sides expand just a tad to provide a perfect seal into and through the barrel. Plus it covers up more of the shank - more engagemen...

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Six,
If Gunny can't make it, perhaps plan B would be to drive to Jim Snyder's in Annville (east of Harrisburg) and come over with him. I think he is planning on coming.

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Six, Nice work! Great report! :D I'm thinking that the 6.5 check, when sized, ends up a bit larger than the standard .25 g.c. and thereby is doing a more effective job sealing the gas behind the bullet. Does that sound right to you? Thank you, w30wcf That would make sense if I had not done the foll...

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Six,
Nice work! Great report!

I'm thinking that the 6.5 check, when sized, ends up a bit larger than the standard .25 g.c. and thereby is doing a more effective job sealing the gas behind the bullet.

Does that sound right to you?

Thank you,
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Six,
Even if Gunny can't make it, I hope that you can. You're retired now! Congratulations!
Weather looks good.....

Only 4 days to go.....

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Six.....
How sweet it is.

Great looking pile of bullets!

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What diameter are the jacketed bullets you are using? If they are the standard .44-40 bullet that is .426" diameter, then either 1.) your resizing die is not sizing the neck down enough or 2.) your expander is opening the neck a bit too much If the base of the bullet goes beyond the case neck, ...

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BTT
Six,
Looking forward to seeing you and Gunny there!

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It is fun, that's for sure. :D Ok, finally made it to the range yesterday. The primers used were Federal 150 pistol primers. Cases: R-P Range: 25 yards Results: Crimped rounds *- Appeared to produce just slightly better groups and velocity variation was a bit less. Large Pistol Primers - This was in...

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Hello all, I've been running subsonic rb's through my peep sighted '94 30-30 and was going to treat it like a .22. Basically not clean it till it started going haywire.. Thoughts on this? Recently having fired approx. 100 r.b. in my .30-30 in doing some testing, I decided to run some patches throug...

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Joe,
I am happy to hear that your shooting days are not likely over and that, hopefully, after the corrective procedure you can enjoy many more days on the range.......

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I don't think so. Looks like where the original crimp baseline was.

As it turned out, I did not make it to the range yesterday as planned. Hopefully this Friday or Saturday.......

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Camel 73, Nice lineup of leverguns! Nice to see your mom getting in some shooting as well! Thank you for the additional range report. Later tomorrow, if all goes well, I will be shooting some additional test loads. I am using large pistol primers for this batch to see if that might cut down on the v...

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Here's what the chronograph said today.... 2.5/Trailboss - Average 908 / high 953 / low 879 / variance 83 f.p.s. 3.0/Trailboss - Average 1091 / high 1161 / low 1080 / variance 81 f.p.s. I also tried Titegroup which burns similar to bullseye. 2.5 / Titegroup - Average 1044 / high 1075 / low 1013 / va...

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Thank you for the range report. Interesting stuff! Beautiful rifle!

Be careful with the lower velocity loads when shooting against hardwood trees....the ball can come back in your direction!

I hope to make it to the range tomorrow for some testing.
Hopefully it doesn't rain.

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Malamute, I agree. I just like using the next cartridge to push the one before it in. Saves on the tip of my finger.... Camel 73, Hope the fix works aok. Catshooter, Yes indeed, the 311008 is a great bullet to use for short range loads. They work great on the 50M steel chickens but I found them to b...

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I decided to load 3.0 / TRailboss under a 00 Buck sized to .311. I used a 1" square of 1 ply toilet tissue folded 2X, 1st one way, then the other, then placed down on the powder. I wont have a chance to get to the range until this weekend but decided to fire one round in the driveway. I used a ...

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Wow! 2 grs variation! What scale are you using? That could explain the extreme variation of your 3.0 load. A 32 ACP case holds 3.0 / Trailboss. A 9MM case and a .32 S&W Long case both hold 4.3 / Trailboss and could be trimmed to hold less. If the JB weld doesn't hold just use another cartridge t...

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Thank you for the range report. That is pretty decent accuracy for your specialty rounds. Understandably the greater velocity variation happens when the powder / projectile mass combination gets below a certain point. When loading a lever action, i grasp the rifle with my left hand with my little fi...

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Looking good! Chances are at your velocity goal, you may not need any lube. But.... you could roll the exposed portion of the ball on the beeswax, then the roll it between your fingers to smooth it out. Did you use the as fired or sized cases? Did you load any without the filler? Due to the low pres...

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The cases will spring back a couple of thousands after firing so the max inside dia. is likely .310-.311 so you could use the cases as fired. Some .30-30 brass is thinner than others and will allow larger bullets. Chamfer the case mouths and open the mouth slightly with the technique you are using. ...

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late 1800's...
I'll bet a lot of these deer were harvested with the grand ole .44 W.C.F. aka 44-40...

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Kirk,
Nice!

cshold,
Thank you for the story and pic. I recognize him from the Marlin forum.

Here's one going back to 1878....

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For the round ball at modest velocity, just a bit of beeswax is all you need. Seat the ball flush with the case mouth and then, holding the beeswax at a slight angle, pull it across the case mouth, turning the case about 90 degrees with each application. You don't need very much. A simple lube to ma...

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Excellent! I would not worry about trimming the edge. You could take a 30-30 case and fill it with something to support the base of the bullet when seated and use that to push the ball through from the bottom.

I found that 2.5 grs of bullseye worked really well at 25 yards.

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If you have a Lee push through sizing die for your cast bullets, you could use that to size them down. Some years ago I purchased a bag of OO buck and that's what I did. Lacking a way to size them down you could take 2 steel or aluminum flat plates, place 2 30 cal bullets between them and a 00 bucks...

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Jack...Six,
Glad to hear that you and Gunny will be coming to the Jubilee.
I would love to make it to Ridgway this weekend but I am in the middle of a couple of home projects that I need to get done before the family Labor Day get together.

I'll look forward to seeing you and Gunny in Oct.

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This is a nice get together for folks who like leverguns and steel targets. Lots of fellowship and fun! Shoot at your own pace. Lots of talk about leverguns and such.! Shoot at the first target until you hit it, then the next 9 in a row. On Saturday most of the participants use the concrete benchs, ...

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Guys, Thank you for the kind words. Another fellow, Rowdy Fulcher over at Cas City, is the one who harvested that nice buck in 2014. Last year, he took another one with the .44-40 with the same one shot performance. Six, Nice find! I'm sure you will be a great parent! It sounds like your wife was co...

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http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/Leverguns/44-40%20deer%20Rowdy%202014.jpg He was at 65 yards standing broadsided . The 44wcf took out both lungs with complete penetration and he was down in 20 yards . I fired 1 shot and it hit the right spot . The weather was nice temp was mid 30's an...

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stubbicatt, I was very sorry to learn of your situation. I am adding you to my prayer list. Please do not give up hope. Here are some resources for consideration. CANCER SELF TREATMENT Only the cancer victim himself can properly treat his own cancer." - Dr. William Kelley http://www.alkalizefor...

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with all the negative stuff going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmVlsUCbbw

Amen!
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