Fixin' Marlin 336 jam #1

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Fixin' Marlin 336 jam #1

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Friend of mine called last night: his Marlin 336 jams on him occasionally. Cartridge in magazine tries to crawl onto the carrier that already has a cartridge, and you're jammed. Problem is caused when the carrier slips down a little too low at the critical point in cartridge feeding. Fix requires a little build-up so that can't happen. Friendly retired gunsmith named Darrel Devenport told me how to fix my first one, and I went on to fix a couple of those about 15 or 20 years ago, but don't remember the details well enough to tell the friend over the phone. :!: "No problem" I figure. "For what were search engines invented?" :lol: .

But old Earl is search-challenged enough that I couldn't find good enough info on this forum or on the Marlin-owners forum. I know the info is there, I just couldn't get to it with my limited computer abilities. But I did find that the problem is so common that it has a name: "Marlin Jam #1". And I found written reference indicating that one fellow fixed his by adding a little weld material in the appropriate place and grinding smooth, but didn't find pictures to go along with the instruction. I did mine with the old JB Weld and a little piece of steel, so finally gave in and took a Marlin apart. Fix area looks just fine after 15 (er...maybe 18 years). Took other Marlin apart, it also looks fine after a mere 15 years. Curiosity going, I took third Marlin down that has been trouble-free from the beginning. Here's how they look:

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These, as you can see, are the bottom sides of 3 carriers: two upper ones with a little patch and the third that didn't need anything (areas inside yellow circle). Looking at the bottom one that always worked fine (1950 era 35 Rem.) I could see that the factory polishes the area . So I assume that they want this slick and smooth, but if they polish off .001 too much we have Marlin Jam #1. And if they get .002 too much they produce such consistent jamming that some of us lucky fellows get a bargain (like I did for my 1950 30/30 and the late 80's 35 Rem that yielded up the "patched" carriers for the photo).

Anyway, here's a side view of the fixed area -- I used a little red sharpy marking to make it show up.

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And here's a top view of the fix area

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In my frustrated search effort I found nice photos where a fellow did a similar thing to a Marlin 1894, which has it's own Marlin 1894 Jam #1, I gather. He used a piece of saber-saw blade with the teeth ground off and cut to length. That sounds like a good idea: next time I think I'll use something like that, or hacksaw blade. you just need a thin piece of steel about 1/4" wide and maybe 3/4" long and saw blade should be thin, strong and smooth. I think for these particular fixes I had cut out a piece from the handle of a cheapo teaspoon.
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Hi Earl,
That will definately work but I find it much easier to just heat and bend the front of the carrier up some. Just apply heat about where you welded.
There is supposed to be another fix but I haven't tried it. It that involves radius-ing the top inside of the entrance to the mag tube so the carrier can more easily push the round back into the tube. Sounds like it might work depending on just how far the jam round is getting in.

Bending the carrier is a fast fix and seems to do the trick.
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Steve, is that bending the front of the carrier up as in the picture Earl shows, which would be actually down and towards the bottom of the receiver or up as towards the top of the receiver as the part is installed. I believe you mean up towards the top of the receiver if the carrier is installed. Thanks.
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About how much of a bend, Steve? I'd guess a 32nd or so? As in "just a wee scosh"?
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kimwcook wrote:Steve, is that bending the front of the carrier up as in the picture Earl shows, which would be actually down and towards the bottom of the receiver or up as towards the top of the receiver as the part is installed. I believe you mean up towards the top of the receiver if the carrier is installed. Thanks.


earlmck wrote:About how much of a bend, Steve? I'd guess a 32nd or so? As in "just a wee scosh"?

Yes, up toward the top. The idea is so that when the carrier bottoms out the front end is still high enough to catch the next round.
Yes, I try to get about .050" to .070". To measure I use three nails into a plywood board. One through the screw hole (tight if you got it), the middle one underneath about where you welded it then another one underneath out near the front. Set them up where all three touch then bend it so that the gap is out under the one up front. Does that make sense?
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What kills me is the fact that we have to do this at all. You would think Marlin would get a clue.
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Mich hunter wrote:What kills me is the fact that we have to do this at all. You would think Marlin would get a clue.
It hardly ever happens with a new gun. The ones that come to me are usually CAS guns with 10's of thousands of rounds through them.
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Thanks, Steve. I thought I understood you, but it pays to be sure.
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Mich hunter wrote:What kills me is the fact that we have to do this at all. You would think Marlin would get a clue.
I have no idea what proportion of newly made Marlins had this "little" problem, but of the five Marlin 336's I own or have owned, two needed the fix. That's 40% of those of my obviously limited experience. And both these had very little use on them when I got them (one made in 1950 and one in late 1980's). And I know my friend's rifle (early 1990's production, I think), was virtually unused when he got it, and sounds like maybe it has been acting up from the start.

So Marlin maybe allowed this to go on for some 40 years that I know of. One I bought new in 2004 was just fine (from Jam#1 standpoint) but the extractor wouldn't allow a case to even come close to feeding. Obviously they weren't function-testing the things before they sent them out the door, at least on that day.

Hopefully all will be well now that Remington has taken over, but from the sounds of the whines on Marlinowners forum, I don't think so yet!
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The problem is in manufacturing tolerances to start with, coupled with wear that gets exacerbated when the gun starts running rough and we tend to "stutter" the lever to get by with it....

I've measured as much as .030 difference in length between the carrier pivot and back of the mag tube, and .015 difference in distance between the lever pivot and carrier pivot. That adds up to a LOT of difference in lift angle of the carrier. Sometimes a worn carrier out of one gun won't even go into another, as it is too long, and if it does, sometimes it will be lifting TOO HIGH, even though it was fine in the other gun......... Marlin knows what the problems are, but in this modern age of CNC, they still machine the recievers and floor plates using a BUNCH of single operation machines that date to FDR's time. Cubic dollars in the form of computer-controlled machining centers will fix it, and allow tighter tolerances. MAYBE Big Green will make the investment.
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adirondakjack wrote:The problem is in manufacturing tolerances to start with, coupled with wear that gets exacerbated when the gun starts running rough and we tend to "stutter" the lever to get by with it....

Marlin knows what the problems are, but in this modern age of CNC, they still machine the recievers and floor plates using a BUNCH of single operation machines that date to FDR's time.
I was impressed that nothing had changed in internal appearance in a 40-yr spread of manufacturing dates. Guess that's why!

The fix is easy enough once you know where the problem lies, and I sure like my Marlins when they work right. I won't complain anymore, since I have saved several hundred bucks acquiring rifles with known jamming issues.

Now, does anybody have a 32 Special they have to use as a two-shooter and want to get rid of it cheap? (I like the old 336A models with 24" bbl, standard rifling, and a 32 would round out my stable nicely) :lol:
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