Browning 1886 vs. Winchester

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Browning 1886 vs. Winchester

#1 Post by Dastook » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:13 pm

Is there any real difference between the modern Browning and Winchester 1886's? Are they not the same rifle made to the same specs in Muroko, Japan or however it is spelled? Also is there a difference in compared value?
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#2 Post by gary rice » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:31 pm

i would be interested in the difference too. the browning appears anyway to look a little more classy but maybe it's me.
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#3 Post by Hobie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:36 pm

Modern Winchester 1886s differ from the Browning 1886s in that they have a tang safety and rebounding hammer and the parts changed to accomodate that. Miroku has provided consistently good quality to their production since at least 1986. The cosmetics, ie. the finish is a matter of specifications from the powers-that-be and some of those decisions are based on branding. IOW, they want their different models to look alike in regard to bluing and stock finish. I imagine that cost is also a consideration.

Compare these guns to older, "original" 1886s and the real differences are in metalurgical advances and in the consistency of the materials used. Some of those comparisons must be specific in that the guns were made from 1886 to after WWII (with the M71).
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#4 Post by Malamute » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:39 pm

Depends on what differences you consider important.

The Brownings are better finished regarding the metal parts, meaning a better polish and nicer blue finish. The Brownings also do not have the rebounding hammer or tang safety. In other words, the Brownings are more like original older Winchester 1886's than the new Winchesters are. For some of us, these differences are worth paying extra for if we have the chance.

To take it an extra step further, many consider the Browning 1886's to be as close to gunmaking perfection as we are ever realistically going to see. :D

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#5 Post by Sixgun » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:44 pm

Malamute wrote:Depends on what differences you consider important.

The Brownings are better finished regarding the metal parts, meaning a better polish and nicer blue finish. The Brownings also do not have the rebounding hammer or tang safety. In other words, the Brownings are more like original older Winchester 1886's than the new Winchesters are. For some of us, these differences are worth paying extra for if we have the chance.

To take it an extra step further, many consider the Browning 1886's to be as close to gunmaking perfection as we are ever realistically going to see. :D
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#6 Post by Dastook » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:47 pm

OK, now ya'll did it. Your making me want to sell my Win and find a Browning.
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#7 Post by Lastmohecken » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:03 pm

I would say that for the most part, they are all pretty well made. Hobie pretty well nailed it there. I own one Browning 86SRC and I used to own a Winchester Extra Lightweight with the rebounding hammer and tang safety. Both were accurate guns, but IMHO the older Browning has a much smoother action. The Winchester also gave me a little bit of a problem, on kicking up the elevator, I had to remember to bottom the lever out pretty hard, definately harder then required on the Browning, or I would sometimes fail to pick up the next round from the tube magazine and end up with an empty chamber. Then later it developed misfiring problems due to the rebounding hammer spring problems. So I sold it.

The Browning does not seem to be plagued by an of these problems, so it is much perferred by me.

I have also owned two of the newer Winchester 95's, and still own one Browning 95. Once again the Browning has a much smoother action, I mean a lot smoother action. The first Winchester 95 I purchased was the first one I ever saw, and it was in .270 win, I did have a feed problem with it, the bullets would stick on the ramp, sometimes. I eventually fell out of love with it, and later found one in 30-06, this was a better gun and worked better, without any feeding problems, I kept it for a few years, until I found the Browining 95 at a gunshop and had to have it, when I decided that I liked it much better, I sold the Winchester. I can't ever see parting with the Browning, until I am too old to make use of it.

I also own a highgrade Browning 92, and I have been very happy with it. And the action is butter smooth.

So, bottom line, I will take one of the older Brownings every time, over the newer Winchesters with the tang safetys and rebounding hammers. I have just had so much better luck with them.

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#8 Post by Grizzly Adams » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:53 pm

Well, my only complaint about either is I can't seem to live without a pile of them! :lol: :lol:

My Brownings do seem to have a smoother action than their Winchester marked counter parts. I suspect it may have something to do with the modifications made in regards to rebounding hammer and safety. That said, the actions on both are excellent in terms of a hunting rifle.

As far as shooting, I can't tell a dimes difference. Both shoot extremely well in terms of accuracy, in fact, I think My Winchester 95 will outshoot my Browning 1895.

As far as finish, some of the early Winchester limited editions came with a flat dull finish that I didn't care for, but was certainly acceptable on a hunting rifle, and I understand it is tough, and performs well under harsh conditions. Most of the other Winchester versions are finished as good or better than the Browning, IMHO. My 1895 Winchester SRC is MUCH better finished than my Browning 1895 - both wood and metal. The blue on that W95 SRC is so deep you could fall into it! I just sold a Winchester 1886 EL that was finished better than my B1886 heavy rifle.

The bottom line is that Miruku builds beautiful, high quality guns, and a fella can't do much better with either the Browning or the Winchester. Folks with a more traditional view will prefer the Browning. Personally, I don't get much heartburn over rebounding hammers and safeties! :wink:
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#9 Post by tman » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:58 pm

never owned a hi dollar custom rifle, nor handled one. but it must be something if built better than my browning src. beautifully made firearm.

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#10 Post by 1886 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:20 pm

I own both presafety and saftied guns and can not tell any difference in workmanship between them. They all exhibit quality throughout. 1886.

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#11 Post by Mike D. » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:54 pm

1886 wrote:I own both presafety and saftied guns and can not tell any difference in workmanship between them. They all exhibit quality throughout. 1886.
Same here. :)
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#12 Post by Hobie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:34 pm

I'd like to add that I don't consider differences in polishing levels to necessarily be a difference in quality. Others do feel that way. Part of the Browning branding is the high level of polish. It is really good on the Browning SRC I own (and on the 1895).

I've handled, worked the action on the later Winchester guns but not shot them. There could be things one misses there. Also, one can get used Browning guns for less than new Winchesters. That's a consideration for me.

Just to comment on a digression, my Browning 1895 is slicker than snot! I've never operated ANY gun that is as slick as that one. I expected a lot of kerchunkalunkin from that seemingly ungainly action but move the lever and the bolt sails back and forth like it is riding on oiled glass and that's feeding that .30-40 rimmed round. I LOVE it.
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#13 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:24 am

Sixgun wrote:
Malamute wrote:Depends on what differences you consider important.

The Brownings are better finished regarding the metal parts, meaning a better polish and nicer blue finish. The Brownings also do not have the rebounding hammer or tang safety. In other words, the Brownings are more like original older Winchester 1886's than the new Winchesters are. For some of us, these differences are worth paying extra for if we have the chance.

To take it an extra step further, many consider the Browning 1886's to be as close to gunmaking perfection as we are ever realistically going to see. :D
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#14 Post by Old Time Hunter » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:39 am

I've had both, unfortunately my Winchester '86 in .33 was traded along time ago and left me with only memories. From what I can recall, it was a fine gun and being used, had alot of character marks. It was made in 1927 and all in all it was on par with all Winchester products from that day. My current Browning 1886 though is by far superior in the fit and finish area, also it is the Winchester's equivalent in function. Can not compare it to the Miruku(sp?) Winchester 1886 because the only on I have is a 1895 .405 TD.

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#15 Post by rjohns94 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:49 am

I think the browning offers better fit and finish and metulurgy than the winchester. here is mine: [img][img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd20 ... 94/008.jpg[/img][/img]
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#16 Post by buckeyeshooter » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:57 pm

I wish I could post some photos of the 1886 deluxe takedown I got last year-- it has to be seen to appreciate the great workmanship.

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#17 Post by Mike D. » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:43 pm

Fit and finish can be different on Browning and Winchester copies, but the metallurgy is the same on both.
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#18 Post by Grizzly Adams » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:52 pm

buckeyeshooter wrote:I wish I could post some photos of the 1886 deluxe takedown I got last year-- it has to be seen to appreciate the great workmanship.
Well, this is not a deluxe, but a pretty nice rifle IMHO! :wink:

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I actually prefer the Win finish on the wood to the finish on the Browning.

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Wish I had a time machine! I am still kicking myself for trading off a complete set - with matching numbers - of the 1886, 1886 SRC, Model 71 carbine, and 1895 Brownings. One each of grade one and high grade. :cry: Oh the follies of youth! :roll:
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