Testing RCBS Lube/Deprime Dies

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Testing RCBS Lube/Deprime Dies

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EXPERIMENT: RCBS Lube Dies for .223 Remington (an annoying cartridge to reload)

My four RCBS Lube Dies arrived today from Midway (http://www.midwayusa.com). One or more of them was drastically reduced in price as opposed to what I found on other sites.

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An introduction to this thread is in the last part of:
"What's Up With Sizing Wax? FOLLOW-UP"
http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=64219

The thread was starting to morph, so this new thread was more appropriate.

We are not discussing the lubrication of pistol cartridges, since most of us now use carbide dies to take care of that procedure. As a side note, I note that some owners of T-Rex killers - .460 SW Magnum and the like - still lube those large cylinders.

Back to rifles. Handloaders use all sorts of case lube liquids, sprays and waxes to keep their rifle cases from sticking in the press. I have learned, partly from this forum, of less commonly used but innovative and inexpensive choices that include carnauba car wax, bag balm, hand cream, STP... just about everything you can think of except Super Glue.

A common complaint centers on those diminutive .223 cases. When using most or all of the above, that little bugger still sticks in the die and stops the whole handloading process. And you can find numerous complaints with the firearm blogs that document this problem.

It happened to me more than once. I discovered that it was due to lack of lube on those tiny case necks, especially when using a lube pad. You roll the cases on the flat surface but the necks are missed. Some lube apparently works up into the neck of the die; but using too much lube wrinkles the cases; a dicey situation.

As noted in another post, this poster has used spray lube, rolled lube, and finally wax. So far, lube wax (Hornady One Shot, for me) is the quickest, easiest and most uniform solution for me, even for that annoying little .223 Remington case. I dab the wax every few cases, pick up each case and quickly twist it on in a corkscrew motion, then place it into the press.

The relatively new RCBS lube dies seem to be a better, quicker approach for either of these two scenarios:
1) A multi-station progressive press if it has enough stations free to accommodate the decapper/luber in the first station. As for me, I use either a single stage Rock Chucker or a preset turret press for rifle calibers.
or
2) For a person who (like me) has found the auto prime system on his press(es) to be less than 100% reliable, jam free, and so on.

Like others, I deprime the cases, then use a hand primer, perhaps as I watch TV.

These dies should work well for either of the two situations above, since the decapping and priming are not done in one continuous operation.

So -
Here is a PDF I created that shows the calibers represented by the four RCBS Lube Dies (#1 through #4). You can find another chart online, but I think that this one is more practical because it breaks down the caliber by die number instead of by caliber.

You might find that all of your rifles are handled by one die. As an example, several levergun calibers are deprimed and lubed with Die #3.

You might find all of your varmint rifles working with Die #1. If your caliber is not shown, then the die for your firearm is not available as of the time of this post.

As you can see, the most common rifle calibers (and some handgun rounds) are well represented. Click on:
https://app.box.com/s/spivjltr8glj2zk0inrg5i0fzadpiqa4

I have seen that one online handloader complained, several years ago, that the pins of his RCBS Lube Dies keep breaking. I don't know if he didn't bother to read the instructions, or if RCBS failed to include the instructions as found in my recent arrival.

Whichever the case, one can see that the dies as packaged in their green plastic box are not properly set up. The decapping pin is set way too long below the die, so that is the first thing that needs to be changed. Simple enough, as with all RCBS dies. The accompaning instructions tell you to set the pin 3/16 inch below the die.

Another complaint is that they leak. Again, the plain English instructions tell you to store it (or them) upright so that they do not leak.

Finally, a complaint found online is that the die doesn't work until you have worked it for a while, whereas the instructions (once again) clearly tell you to allow the die to sit in the press for 30 minutes before use, to allow the lube to fully saturate the felt pad inside. The Case Lube-2, supplied with each die, is applied to the small hole that is uncovered when you move the black rubber band on the top half of the die.

One media weirdo has stated that he gets a chill up his leg when a particular politician comes near. As for me, I confess that those folks who deal with explosive stuff like gunpowder, who don't bother to read instructions, send a cold chill down my spine. Oh, well...

More soon, when I have time to reload.
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Re: Testing RCBS Lube/Deprime Dies

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I load .223 on a Rockchuckkar press using RCBS small base dies. Using Imperial Sizing Die Wax I find it works best with a very small amount of lube on the case body of each case and none on the shoulder and a very little amount on the neck of every third to fifth case resized.
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Good info there, John! Thanks for posting.
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Hornady One Shot Case Lube, lots easier to spray a bunch at one time, 'course it might be a good idea to use a plastic tray just for lubing because it is kinda hard to clean afterwards. HTH
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The rifle/pistol calibers, (44-40, 38-40, 32-20) are all tapered cases for which carbide dies are not practical so they require lubing. Since I load bunches at a time on a Dillon 550 my cases are spray lubed. I use a 5 gallon plastic bucket lid which holds around 100 at a time and it's easily washed when the excess lube starts to pick up too much grime. I don't care if it's aerosol or pump spray so just buy whatever is on sale when I order.

That de-primer/lube die might be a good option if your progressive press has an empty station.
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New-fangled stuff I never heard of... Not very well advertised... So... in a nutshell... if you can answer, if one reads & heeds the instructions, did they work? :P :D :wink:
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Griff wrote:New-fangled stuff I never heard of... Not very well advertised... So... in a nutshell... if you can answer, if one reads & heeds the instructions, did they work? :P :D :wink:
The key to the success or failure of these dies rests with Skippy Peanut Butter...

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Please excuse the minor marks and such - done rather quickly on a Word format and then put into photo format. Free time is at a premium right now, so I had to quickly get this out.

Cheers -

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This is cool stuff... Thanks for posting.
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A simple "yeah" or "nay" would have sufficed... :wink: but the pictures really helped! :mrgreen: I'll have to look into these, as you're right, the .223 is a time consuming round to reload. Especially during the initial reloading of military brass! Once the primer crimp is deburred, this will definitely improve the process.
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Re: Testing RCBS Lube/Deprime Dies

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I am glad that it proved useful, Doc. I am happy with it.

I felt it advisable to show the actual process and notes because I have found so many criticisms of this clever product - based upon apparent misuse of it. When a product works, the designer deserves a fair shake for his/her effort.

And Griff, you are right - this product seemed to stay below the radar. I learned of it only after reading about it in this month's "Shooting Times" magazine. It has been out since 2008 or earlier, going by the posts I have seen.

Final Note:
Some folks here aren't all that keen on cleaning brass, but it should be noted that the lubrication is done by means of a felt pad inside the die. I would think that the die will last much longer, and do a better job, if it can work with tumbled or vibrated or ultrasound treated brass.
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