Winchester 1892 Short is back!

Bogie35 · Post by **Bogie35** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:41 pm

Hey guys. I don't know if this is news to anybody else, but it sure is to me!

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/ ... 2&cat=014C

Don't know about you, but I'm excited!

bogie

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:47 pm

Very nice indeed!

I wonder if they put a stupid bolt safety on the piece like the Rossi has.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:55 pm

I think that's great, but the MSRP is kind of scarey. Looks like it has the tang safety too.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:56 pm

Nice looking short rifle. It looks like it has the Winchester tang safety as is seen on the newer production 1886's.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:00 pm

I'd take the tang safety over that silly crossbolt safety any day as long as they're determined to put one on. The crossbolt just killed the asthetics of the receiver for me and changing out the rebounding hammer and having someone weld the tang safety slot closed is a lot easier than dealing with the crossbolt.

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:05 pm

Holy moly! A thousand bucks!

P

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:07 pm

kimwcook wrote:I'd take the tang safety over that silly crossbolt safety any day ...

Amen to that.

I'm guessing we're looking at Japanese production ... same caliber offering as the B-92 was.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:46 pm

.357 and .44 Mag. Looks like they are recreating the old Browning B92s.

When I read off the price my wife said: "You gotta be kidding me! I wouldn't pay a $1,000 for a .357!.

Too much money for a Miroku Brownchester, just way too much.

Joe

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:56 pm

Isn't Davidson's selling a version of this in 45 Colt currently? I wondered where they got that ... now it seems to make sense.

KCSO · Post by **KCSO** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:40 pm

I wonder how many of them will go bang. I've delt with so many of the rebounding hammer guns that had ignition problem that I am skeptical. I would be and have been an unhappy camper when my new $1400 Winchester would only fire 50% of the time.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:46 pm

J Miller wrote:.357 and .44 Mag. Looks like they are recreating the old Browning B92s.

When I read off the price my wife said: "You gotta be kidding me! I wouldn't pay a $1,000 for a .357!.

Too much money for a Miroku Brownchester, just way too much.

Joe

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:23 pm

I could live with the top tang safety, my 94 Legacy 30-30 tapered octagon 26" barrel has one.
And also has the rebounding hammer, I have never had a problem with it not going BANG

Prices sure have increased, $1000.00 is a bit much. One really has to want a Winchester, you can buy two Rossi's for that money.
Is the top tang safety worth $500.00

I don't think so.

rangerider7 · Post by **rangerider7** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:47 pm

You can get a nice shooter Winchester 1892 for that price, or near it, and it will go up!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:06 pm

They really never go for MSRP, tho, do they?

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:23 pm

Gents,

That little bump on the upper tang needs to go:

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/ ... 34162l.jpg

Shawn

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:55 pm

It's gonna be tough for them to compete with the others when they're that much higher! Better get them quick before they quit making them!

flatnose · Post by **flatnose** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:00 pm

Blimey, you can get a real one for that price, or a 92 browning in 357 or 44,

retmech · Post by **retmech** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:53 pm

If they built it like they built the New Model 94 .357's I would not want any part of it at $500. let alone $1000.!

Rexster · Post by **Rexster** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:25 am

Lefty Dude wrote:Very nice indeed!

I wonder if they put a stupid bolt safety on the piece like the Rossi has.

No, but it has the Mirokuchester safety on the tang. Look at the photo again. Edited to add: Hagler beat me to it.

marlin shooter · Post by **marlin shooter** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:31 am

I've had 1 of these in .44 mag for about 5 yrs now. I got mine used (with box and paperwork in like new condition) for 525.00. I D+T'ed mine for a williams receiver sight. The fit and finish is first rate. The gun has alway's gone bang, and has fed all the different bullet types I have fed it. It's also very accurate. I could do without the rebounding hammer and tang safety but they havn't bothered me enough to do anything about them. I wish it had a carbine butt as the crescent butt has a little sting to it with stiff loads.
Karl

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:28 am

kimwcook wrote:.............and changing out the rebounding hammer and having someone weld the tang safety slot closed...............

If you can find the parts anymore to change to half-cock.

4t5 · Post by **4t5** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:43 am

Well now I've just fallen in love again,44 mag is my choice,and since SAFETIES are a "fact of life" nowadays,a tang safety is the only way to go on a levergun (IMO).Tang safeties, I find easier to operate and are less obtrusive and since my RUGER RED LABEL shotgun has one, it just feels right to me.I don't have to feel around for it ,as on my 870 pump,just thumb it in to action.

4t5 · Post by **4t5** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:01 am

Does anyone know where it is being made,imported, or in the U.S.A.?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:46 am

4t5 wrote:Does anyone know where it is being made,imported, or in the U.S.A.?

4t5, you didn't read the whole thread didja? These are Miroku Brownchesters, nuther words "MADE IN JAPAN".

Joe

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:06 pm

The Winchester/Miroku 92's are finely fitted and finished but they have way too many liability safety parts like the tang safety (about 4 parts), lever activated trigger block (about 5 parts), stiff to cock rebounding hammer, and spring loaded (5 parts) inertia firing pin. All these add-on parts make the gun hard to smooth up, some have ignition problem and because of small parts failure these guns don't hold up well for the long haul.

Modoc ED wrote:
kimwcook wrote:.............and changing out the rebounding hammer and having someone weld the tang safety slot closed...............
If you can find the parts anymore to change to half-cock.

I have CAS shooters send these to me for action work. The first thing I tell them is those parts have to go if you want it smooth. I have had some success replacing them with Rossi parts. The Rossi hammer still has the 1/4 cock safety, the trigger is one piece like the original and the firing pins are still one piece like the original.

Think about this. All the folks that made the original 92's are long dead and gone. The folks with the most experience building 92's now are the Rossi folks. They have been doing it for 30 something years. They aren't finished as nice as the others but they don't cost twice as much either and it’s closer to the original than any of the others. The only add-on liability part is the bolt top firing pin blocking safety. If you don't likeit take it out and plug the hole.

DarryH · Post by **DarryH** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:49 am

I have been very happy with my Miroku 92 Winchester.
I used it for over 5 years of cowboy action shooting.
Always goes bang, so never an issue there.
Mine is also very accurate.
I do prefer a tang safety to a crossbolt in the receiver.
One issue I did encounter, it is somewhat picky on what it feeds.
Only 38 specials with certain bullets would function.
With 357 cases, I only had one bullet style not feed.
A gunsmith could probably take care of this, but I have a lot of ammo
that works, so why spend more money??
I will reserve judgement on the new guns until I get to actually handle or shoot them.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:26 am

Hmmm, $1000+ for the new WinBroMir 92 with a tang safety.

Or, for the same $1000, buy the Rossi, send it to NJK, have him remove the offending bolt safety, slick up the action, and have plenty of change in your pocket for lots of ammo to shoot.

Seems like a no-brainer to me!!!

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:46 am

pharmseller wrote:Holy moly! A thousand bucks!

P

Yep, And made overseas ta boot. Sure is pretty tho.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:49 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:Hmmm, $1000+ for the new WinBroMir 92 with a tang safety.

Or, for the same $1000, buy the Rossi, send it to NJK, have him remove the offending bolt safety, slick up the action, and have plenty of change in your pocket for lots of ammo to shoot.

Seems like a no-brainer to me!!!

I think you'd save money too. I forget exactly but thought a Nate slicked 92 was well under $1000.
For that price I'd think they could build them here.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:31 am

Leverdude wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:Hmmm, $1000+ for the new WinBroMir 92 with a tang safety.

Or, for the same $1000, buy the Rossi, send it to NJK, have him remove the offending bolt safety, slick up the action, and have plenty of change in your pocket for lots of ammo to shoot.

Seems like a no-brainer to me!!!

I think you'd save money too. I forget exactly but thought a Nate slicked 92 was well under $1000.
For that price I'd think they could build them here.

Bingo - that's were the "lots of ammo" part comes in. Granted, it has been many years, but I picked up a Rossi for $325 or so, had Steve remove that darn safety, slick up the action, cut the barrel down to 16", and swap out the standard lever for a large loop (this was before you could get them this way), and I was still very far south of the grand. Heck, I was about at what most places are asking for new ones today. It is, without a doubt, the smoothest lever-action I own.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:06 am

marlin shooter wrote:I've had 1 of these in .44 mag for about 5 yrs now. I got mine used (with box and paperwork in like new condition) for 525.00. I D+T'ed mine for a williams receiver sight. The fit and finish is first rate. The gun has alway's gone bang, and has fed all the different bullet types I have fed it. It's also very accurate. I could do without the rebounding hammer and tang safety but they havn't bothered me enough to do anything about them. I wish it had a carbine butt as the crescent butt has a little sting to it with stiff loads.
Karl

It seems like they put way too much "crescent" on them. What's even worse ith that all the '73's I've handled had WAY too much drop to the stock. I mean, so much drop you couldn't even see the rear sight with your cheek on the stock!

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:28 pm

I personally think the tang safety is a crappy place to put a safety on a lever gun. I love tang sights, and that pretty much negates any chance of installing one of those! Put the darn safety where it doesn't interfere with the tang, or a receiver sight, like Rossi does.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:27 pm

I think a levergun is a poor place to put a safety.

Bogie35 · Post by **Bogie35** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:27 pm

Sorry

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:43 pm

Bogie35 wrote:On second thought, I'm not really excited anymore. Winchester has proven yet again to care very little about the consumer. Instead of catering to us, they attempt to make us cater to them. I don't think the "Winchester" name will pull them through this one.

Face it. They took away the 94 not because they had to, but because THEY COULD. They believe that levergunners are wrapped around their finger, which has been true in the past. It should not have been true after they slapped levergunners in the face with the cheapened models they produced after 1963. However, the Winchester fans still flocked to buy their stuff. Then they take away the 94, and levergunners are frothing at the mouth over the idea that it will be re-introduced.

The difference between Winchester and Marlin?

Winchester has become a bolt-action company that dangles the carrot for lever-action fans.

Marlin is still a lever-action company that goes beyond the call to give lever-action fans what they really want.

I am SO glad I chose Marlin when I bought my first levergun. I'm pretty sure I will never by another Winchester product, past/present/future.

bogie

I'm a Winchester lover from way back and I am not planning on buying any new ( If they start reproducing them again ) ones unless they do away with the rebounding hammer and the safety. Not likely on either part.

Oh, and Marlin isn't listening to most of us either. They haven't made any general use type lever guns in years. All they make is the clunky pistol grip rifles with the hideously obese forearms and limited runs of cowboy rifles. What I want is a standard straight grip carbine with a slim fore arm. THAT I would buy.

Joe

ursavus.elemensis · Post by **ursavus.elemensis** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:14 pm

Bogie35 wrote:
On second thought, I'm not really excited anymore. Winchester has proven yet again to care very little about the consumer. Instead of catering to us, they attempt to make us cater to them. I don't think the "Winchester" name will pull them through this one.

Face it. They took away the 94 not because they had to, but because THEY COULD. They believe that levergunners are wrapped around their finger, which has been true in the past. It should not have been true after they slapped levergunners in the face with the cheapened models they produced after 1963. However, the Winchester fans still flocked to buy their stuff. Then they take away the 94, and levergunners are frothing at the mouth over the idea that it will be re-introduced.

The difference between Winchester and Marlin?

Winchester has become a bolt-action company that dangles the carrot for lever-action fans.

Marlin is still a lever-action company that goes beyond the call to give lever-action fans what they really want.

I am SO glad I chose Marlin when I bought my first levergun. I'm pretty sure I will never by another Winchester product, past/present/future.

bogie

Mr. bogie, I'm sorry you don't like Winchester. You sound kind of bitter, and that's a shane. They make real fine rifles, and Winchester's are the classic lever rifles.

I am real excited about this nice, new Model 1892. I am going to get one. If you want to save money, I suggest you look into the Mossberg 464. If you want a nice, finely made lever rifle with great fit and finish, that is a pleasure to carry, hold, and shoot, then I suggest you order a real lever rifle that advances the true American spirit.

Marlin is a fine company, too. But was it a Marlin that John Wayne and The Rifleman carried? Nah, I didn't think so.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:00 pm

Hagler, haggle as you wish that bump ain't goin' away'

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:05 pm

A very handsome little rifle! All of these Miroku made arms have been top quality, and well worth the money. $1000 is less than MSRP for an Italian made levergun, and the quality of the Japanese made piece is at least as good, and IMHO better. The Japanese gun wins hands down on fit and finish!

I find it odd that folks will bust Winchester's chops for mounting the safety unobtrusively on the tang, whereas, Marlin puts that safety button on the receiver where it is much more noticeable, and few seem to mind.

You will note that Winchester does not list these, or any of their heritage lever actions in their standard catalog. All of these models are limited editions - and they will sell ever one they have made. I can't afford one just now, but I am pleased they are having them made, and hope they continue to do so.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:19 am

Glad to see they're making them. I'm pretty sure it will be made by Miroku, since they already have all the tooling and do such an excellent, first-class job. Too bad about the tang safety and rebounding hammer, but I can live with that and, if not, it can always be removed.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:35 am

"I personally think the tang safety is a crappy place to put a safety on a lever gun. I love tang sights, and that pretty much negates any chance of installing one of those! Put the darn safety where it doesn't interfere with the tang, or a receiver sight, like Rossi does."

The tang safety is redundant, the rebound is functional in the absense of the half cock notch. You can easily remove the tang safety parts and install a tang sight, and cover the tang safety hole. As has been mentioned, parts can be had to make them into normal half cock guns also.