Sometimes the Bear Gets You
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Sometimes the Bear Gets You
This is an old photo I was reminded of by another thread a month or so ago. From what I understand it was taken on one of the islands up here and shows what's left of a levergun in the undergrowth between what's left of a man and bear who killed each other.
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Re: Sometimes the Bear Gets You
I guess any gun will kill a bear eventually.
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Re: Sometimes the Bear Gets You
The man chose to enter the bear's territory.
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Old Savage is right.
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reminds me of hatchet jack, in jeremiah johnson.
here's the rifle kilt the bear that kilt me.
here's the rifle kilt the bear that kilt me.
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Of course, up here it's ALL the bear's territoryOld Savage wrote:The man chose to enter the bear's territory.
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I wonder who started it, ... and who finished it...
Doesn't look recent to when that live fella in the photo found it.
Doesn't look recent to when that live fella in the photo found it.
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In an old gunshop up here I remember seeing a cut-out of the photo with some text from a newspaper describing it. I can't remember much of the detail though, and the owner since retried so the shop is gone. I'll toss it around a local forum and see if anyone knows more.
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It would be interesting to know the rifle model and chambering. 1886.
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+1pokey wrote:reminds me of hatchet jack, in jeremiah johnson.
here's the rifle kilt the bear that kilt me.
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+1Cosmoline wrote:Of course, up here it's ALL the bear's territoryOld Savage wrote:The man chose to enter the bear's territory.
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kewl post. thanks
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Yep, the price is potentially very high when you enter the bruins territory.
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You fellers have it all wrong... This is OUR world, and we only sometimes tolerate the existence of such nasty critters as (including, but not limited to...) bears, wolves, coyotes, lions, jackals, hyenas, wolverines & left-wing wackos...
Any bear (or other of the above-named predators) that comes into MY territory had better look out for himself.
That's why God gave us the brains, the incentive, and opposable thumbs to create tools for our own defense.
Too bad the human decedent didn't make the first move, and make it count...
Any bear (or other of the above-named predators) that comes into MY territory had better look out for himself.
That's why God gave us the brains, the incentive, and opposable thumbs to create tools for our own defense.
Too bad the human decedent didn't make the first move, and make it count...
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"Someone back East says, Why don't he write?"
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Having lived up here for a decade, I find woods I used to hike down in Oregon, which have no brown bears anymore, to be oddly empty and uninteresting. The edge is gone, and without that edge we ourselves become dull creatures of concrete. The left wing nutcases like PETA and such are a direct result of living without the great beasts. I GUARANTEE you that if you were to take a hundred or so Alaskan brown bears and drop them off in southern California, and an equal number in the UK, the PETA types in those places would very quickly change their tune.You fellers have it all wrong... This is OUR world, and we only sometimes tolerate the existence of such nasty critters as (including, but not limited to...) bears, wolves, coyotes, lions, jackals, hyenas, wolverines & left-wing wackos.
I think the good Lord put these animals here to remind us from time to time what life REALLY IS. And what death really is. When you see a bear rip the beating heart out of a moose in your driveway, it's difficult to maintain a Disney-type view of wildlife. It's also more difficult to want to destroy all of these magnificent creatures. Your view becomes more complex. Respect is the word for it. Respect for nature, for Creation. If you destroy all these beasts all you're left with is human-created and human-controlled. That leads directly to humanistic hubris, and to a rejection of the divine.
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Re: Sometimes the Bear Gets You
I'm guessing he was toting one of those new fangled "lightning fast" bolt guns. Certainly it wasn't an '86 ... in any caliber so chambered.
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Re: Sometimes the Bear Gets You
I'm thinking the dead man DID have a lever action rifle; look at the picture and you can make out the familiar receiver shape. It also appears that the live man has his fingers in a bent lever...Rimfire McNutjob wrote:I'm guessing he was toting one of those new fangled "lightning fast" bolt guns. Certainly it wasn't an '86 ... in any caliber so chambered.
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Rough way to check out...... Prolly better than taking 6 months to rot out from cancer, tho
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It looks to me more like his hand is user the remnamts of the wrist of the buttstock. And that piece coming out of the end of the handguard area could be a mag tube but it's broken off like it's a wood fragment. I suppose it could have rusted and broken off. I can see the trigger guard but I don't the the lever behind it. A Remington pump action perhaps? Seems like way to long and skinny of a barrel for a lever gun to me.airedaleman wrote:I'm thinking the dead man DID have a lever action rifle; look at the picture and you can make out the familiar receiver shape. It also appears that the live man has his fingers in a bent lever...Rimfire McNutjob wrote:I'm guessing he was toting one of those new fangled "lightning fast" bolt guns. Certainly it wasn't an '86 ... in any caliber so chambered.
... I love poetry, long walks on the beach, and poking dead things with a stick.
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In the better quality pic it was pretty clearly a Savage 99, or what was left of it.
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Well that clears it up. Here I am looking for a mag tube. Now it makes more sense ... the longer skinny barrel.Cosmoline wrote:In the better quality pic it was pretty clearly a Savage 99, or what was left of it.
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Thats is really cool... Bad Medicine though. I hope if i ever go get cut down by a grizzly or black bear, it goes down too
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That's one heck of a powerful picture, Thanks for posting it. I wonder if they ever found out who the guy was and the approximate time this happened?
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game keeper wrote:"Someone back East says, Why don't he write?"
Good point GK.
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Cosmoline,
I'm with you--there are too many people. I hear it all the time around here, "Too many deer, they are eating my bushes and jumping in front of my BMW." I tell 'em there's too many people and they should move back to the city.
As far as your story is concerned, I remember reading a story on "Old Moses", the 2000 pound Grizzly that terrorized some state back around the turn of the century. One hunter who went after him was found (well, part of his leg was all that was found) dead, along with his 1886 Winchester in .33 W.C.F.---------------Sixgun
I'm with you--there are too many people. I hear it all the time around here, "Too many deer, they are eating my bushes and jumping in front of my BMW." I tell 'em there's too many people and they should move back to the city.
As far as your story is concerned, I remember reading a story on "Old Moses", the 2000 pound Grizzly that terrorized some state back around the turn of the century. One hunter who went after him was found (well, part of his leg was all that was found) dead, along with his 1886 Winchester in .33 W.C.F.---------------Sixgun
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If I remember right, I read somewhere that Old Moses finally got killed by a young man with one of those new fangled Winchester model 94 30/30's.Sixgun wrote:Cosmoline,
I'm with you--there are too many people. I hear it all the time around here, "Too many deer, they are eating my bushes and jumping in front of my BMW." I tell 'em there's too many people and they should move back to the city.
As far as your story is concerned, I remember reading a story on "Old Moses", the 2000 pound Grizzly that terrorized some state back around the turn of the century. One hunter who went after him was found (well, part of his leg was all that was found) dead, along with his 1886 Winchester in .33 W.C.F.---------------Sixgun
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I don't remember much unless it concerns guns, Jeeps or huntin', but......If I remember correctly, (no disrespect intended )Lastmohecken wrote: If I remember right, I read somewhere that Old Moses finally got killed by a young man with one of those new fangled Winchester model 94 30/30's.
I thought it was a 30-40 Krag in a Krag rifle.
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I have heard both versions, but do not know if they are the same story or two different incidents.
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Re. the photo, it seems this was taken by a Kodiak guide, either Bill Pinnell or Morris Talifson, on a hunt where they found the bones. Probably back a few decades, no later than the 60's. It may be from the book "Last of the Great Brown Bear Men," so I'll see if I can find out more.
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Thanks Mike, Good read!------------Sixgun
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Great movie and a very appt quote in this instance.game keeper wrote:"Someone back East says, Why don't he write?"
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Cosmoline- I stayed in Bill Pinnell's cabin on Karluk Lake about 25 years ago with my wife and just-graduated high school age son. After 10 days of hiking the area, we would agree with you that walking in real bear country does give an "edgy-feeling" to one, especially when grass and other plants are higher than a man's head and you must stick to bear paths to move through the country. Coming onto a pile of steaming bear scat will really wake you up!
I've also spent several months camped out in remote parts of Africa where lions and spotted hyenas were present and my wife and I had no firearms--just common sense and, perhaps, good fortune. We were never bothered by these predators, but when we heard hyenas whooping or lions roaring at sundown, we always slept inside our small tent.
I appreciate these wild places and the bears (and other large predators) give the wilderness its true meaning. I hunt often and hard, but I have no need to kill these critters-especially to prove my "mastery" over nature. I suppose some of you will accuse me of being a PETA type but definitely 'taint so.
I've also spent several months camped out in remote parts of Africa where lions and spotted hyenas were present and my wife and I had no firearms--just common sense and, perhaps, good fortune. We were never bothered by these predators, but when we heard hyenas whooping or lions roaring at sundown, we always slept inside our small tent.
I appreciate these wild places and the bears (and other large predators) give the wilderness its true meaning. I hunt often and hard, but I have no need to kill these critters-especially to prove my "mastery" over nature. I suppose some of you will accuse me of being a PETA type but definitely 'taint so.
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No need to be defensive.Batman1939 wrote:I appreciate these wild places and the bears (and other large predators) give the wilderness its true meaning. I hunt often and hard, but I have no need to kill these critters-especially to prove my "mastery" over nature. I suppose some of you will accuse me of being a PETA type but definitely 'taint so.
I don't think anybody here kills things "just because" (except Mad Dog).
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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I always loved that line.game keeper wrote:"Someone back East says, Why don't he write?"
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Yeah, I guess we KNOW the range!1886 wrote:It would be interesting to know the rifle model and chambering. 1886.
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I've always LOVED that line! The rest of the movie was stuff, though. The book sucked, too.game keeper wrote:"Someone back East says, Why don't he write?"
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Hear, hear! darned if I wanna die of old age!BlaineG wrote: Rough way to check out...... Prolly better than taking 6 months to rot out from cancer, tho
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Lastmohecken wrote:If I remember right, I read somewhere that Old Moses finally got killed by a young man with one of those new fangled Winchester model 94 30/30's.Sixgun wrote:Cosmoline,
I'm with you--there are too many people. I hear it all the time around here, "Too many deer, they are eating my bushes and jumping in front of my BMW." I tell 'em there's too many people and they should move back to the city.
As far as your story is concerned, I remember reading a story on "Old Moses", the 2000 pound Grizzly that terrorized some state back around the turn of the century. One hunter who went after him was found (well, part of his leg was all that was found) dead, along with his 1886 Winchester in .33 W.C.F.---------------Sixgun
That bear must have never heard a .30-30 is "no good for large game"!
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I have more fun watchin' critters than killin' em.Batman1939 wrote:I appreciate these wild places and the bears (and other large predators) give the wilderness its true meaning. I hunt often and hard, but I have no need to kill these critters-especially to prove my "mastery" over nature. I suppose some of you will accuse me of being a PETA type but definitely 'taint so.
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