OT Taurus Revolving Carbine

[Lobo]

Hi All,

I've always had an interest in the revolving carbines (that I first saw in a John Wayne movie!!) and find the Taurus Circuit Judge a daring move!!

http://www.rossiusa.com/2010newcatalog/?catalog_page=4

My question is about handloading for the 410 cartridge in this firearm. Seems to me a LOT of powder could be loaded into that case making it a really heavy hitter!!

Anyone have an insight into a "magnum 410" load with a single projectile in this little rifle???

[AJMD429]

I'd rather (if I had the money) get the Magnum Research BFR revolver in .444 Marlin.

You could shoot .410 shells in that if you wanted 'shot' loads...
...and ordinary .444 Marlin shells for 'slug' loads.

WAY more power potential, and more compact. 70 oz.



Still, the 'Circuit Judge' looks like it could be a fun toy (...aren't they all... )

[stretch]

I just LOVE the concept. I think Cimarron or somebody
like that made one (maybe still does!).

But that beast has got to be THE UGLIEST firearm
I've EVAH laid eyes on. It's like they went out of
their way to beat it into shape with a BIG UGLY STICK.
My word!

-Stretch

[Chas.]

AJMD429, are you sure that's not a BFR. It looks identical to mine.

[AJMD429]

AJMD429, are you sure that's not a BFR. It looks identical to mine.

Yep - I stand corrected. Post above now fixed.

[Stan in SC]

Taurus/Rossi is gonna get flat eat up with law suits where someone has placed the forward hand/arm too close to the inevitably escaping gases of the cylinder/barrel gap.Remember the thing that recently went around the internet where the guy shot his finger tip off by having it too close to the gap?
The circuit judge is an accident waiting to happen.

Stan in SC

[firefuzz]

Taurus/Rossi is gonna get flat eat up with law suits where someone has placed the forward hand/arm too close to the inevitably escaping gases of the cylinder/barrel gap.Remember the thing that recently went around the internet where the guy shot his finger tip off by having it too close to the gap?
The circuit judge is an accident waiting to happen.

Stan in SC

Those guns are really cool looking, but that's the reason I've never bought one. I had my left hand torn up pretty badly by the cylinder blast when I grabbed a gun in the hands of a drunk 16 y/o. Took over a year for all the powder to work it's way out.

If you get one of these be mindful of the cylinder blast, it's pretty potent.

Rob

Edited to add: If you look at the 4th pic on the add it looks like they've installed a sort of blast shield on this gun. The cylinder's different than on the Judge pistol.

[Doc Hudson]

I really hate to defend the Circuit Judge, since I don't care for the .45 LC/.410 concept, but there really is a cuard to contain the barrely/cylinder gap flash.

If you enlarge the photo a few times you can actually see that the gap is covered. how effective this will be I don't know, but at least they are making an attempt to prevent the flash burns.

My big complaint is the enormous amount of jump a .45 LC bullet will have before it reaches the forcing cone. I don't have a .410 or .45 LC cartridge handgy for comparison, but I believe that a loaded .45 LC cartridge is considerably shorter than a .410 shell. If 0.1" of additional jump can cause accuracy problems in a .44 RemMag or .357 magnum revolver shooting Special cartridges, imagine the possible problems facing 0.5" or more of extra freebore or jump from case to cone. There is not telling what the angle of the bulet might be when it hits the forcing cone. I will be surprised it accuracy is much better than abysmal.

[dsmith512]

Note: the cylinder guard is only on the left side. So you lefties beware.

This would be a cool gun if they would lose that ugly stock. Replace it with a polymer pistol grip and an AR15 M4 style adjustable stock. Or an underfold stock like on the Keltec SU-16s.

My other concern is price. MSRP is guesstimated to be $600+ which would be $500+ retail.

[AJMD429]

My big complaint is the enormous amount of jump a .45 LC bullet will have before it reaches the forcing cone. I don't have a .410 or .45 LC cartridge handgy for comparison, but I believe that a loaded .45 LC cartridge is considerably shorter than a .410 shell. If 0.1" of additional jump can cause accuracy problems in a .44 RemMag or .357 magnum revolver shooting Special cartridges, imagine the possible problems facing 0.5" or more of extra freebore or jump from case to cone. There is not telling what the angle of the bulet might be when it hits the forcing cone. I will be surprised it accuracy is much better than abysmal.

My ".45/.410" breakopen rifle shot maybe 12 inch groups with .45 Colt ammo at 25 yards...

[Buck Elliott]

I mentioned that guard before, back when this useless (IMNSHO) thing first hit the board. Makes me wonder about just where it redirects the gases, &c to....

[COSteve]

Cimarron's SA Revolving Carbine has a better look to me. However, its only available in 38/357mag or 45LC.

[Doc Hudson]

Cimarron's SA Revolving Carbine has a better look to me. However, its only available in 38/357mag or 45LC.

yep, that'un looks better, but it will derned shore burn yer arm!!

[dsmith512]

I mentioned that guard before, back when this useless (IMNSHO) thing first hit the board. Makes me wonder about just where it redirects the gases, &c to....

Looking at this closer picture. It seems the cylinder guard directs the blast upward. It is the only thing that would make sense to me. If the gas is allowed to escape downward or horizontal the shooter would feel the blast. Unless it is totally shield to direct the gas to the other side of the cylinder, but the tolerance of the shield to cylinder would have to be very very small.

[dsmith512]

Here is a better picture with the cylinder open. Looks like it is tight tolerances to direct the blast to the other side of the cylinder. Beware it is a large image, but you can see the detail.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BfntzXv0_PE/S ... CN1684.JPG

[lthardman]

I have a Uberti made Remington Revolving Carbine. I previously posted the following picture in another thread. I shoot this carbine in both .44 cap and ball, and using an R&D replacement cylinder that enables using .45 LC. No matter which you use, you just CANNOT put your left hand in front of or even close to that cylinder. The hot gases will really scorch your forearm. Burned right through my shirt, and quite a bit of meat. There is a reason that there is no forearm on that carbine! I don't know if the Taurus "fix" will work or not, but I would be a bit leary. I learned the hard way.

That being said, once you find a comfortable stance and hold, that revolving carbine is a hoot to shoot. Note the spur on the back of the trigger guard. That tends to be where I steady with the left hand.

[Lefty Dude]

I also have the above posted Remington 66 Revolving Carbine. This is a fun shooter, however you must never place your hand forward of the cylinder when firing the piece. I use a flat based conical 45 bullet or round balls. The Round balls are more accurate.

I bought mine from Cabela's 20 years ago.

[Buck Elliott]

ANY clearance between the "shield" and the cylinder -- which there must be -- can direct gasses back at the shooter's face...

My thought is: No Thanks...

[GabbyHaze]

Cimarron's SA Revolving Carbine has a better look to me. However, its only available in 38/357mag or 45LC.

I really wish someone would make a Revolving Carbine like the one in this picture in a 22 caliber. They could make it on a frame like the Ruger Super Single Six and provide a spare cyl. to shoot mags. This way you'd have a small game rifle that could shoot 22 shorts, longs, long rifle and 22 Mags. There is no other rifle out there that can do that and I would buy 2 of them in a heart beat ( one for me and one for my wife ).

JT