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After reading the post on pointed bullets in tubular magazines,I came up with another question for those of you who reload for the old .30-30 win.
Do you crimp the bullet in place for use in tubular magazines and have you ever had a bullet pushed back into the case due to recoil or spring pressure ?
I seat my 150gr. bullets out as far as I can without touching the rifling and I never use a crimp.I have never had one pushed back into the case,so far, but I have only had my .30-30 for a couple years.
What do you more experienced lever gunners have to say on this subject ?
chipper wrote:After reading the post on pointed bullets in tubular magazines,I came up with another question for those of you who reload for the old .30-30 win.
Do you crimp the bullet in place for use in tubular magazines and have you ever had a bullet pushed back into the case due to recoil or spring pressure ?
I seat my 150gr. bullets out as far as I can without touching the rifling and I never use a crimp.I have never had one pushed back into the case,so far, but I have only had my .30-30 for a couple years.
What do you more experienced lever gunners have to say on this subject ?
Chipper,
The 30-30 is so well proven I see no reason to change anything.
I seat to the cannelure, if the bullet has one, and lightly crimp into it. I've never had a bullet in one of my hand loads move back into the case.
Bullets staying put is more neck tension than crimp. For example, in my bolt action rifles most of the bullets I use do not have crimp groves, so, no crimp. Never had one budge.
The only rounds I crimp are for the tubular magazines and military type ammo, and even then I just lightly roll the case mouth into the cannelure.
Joe
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I go with a different ( not better, prolly) thought that a fairly heavy Lee FD crimp lets the pressure build better and makes better use of the powder in there....Nope, I can't prove a thing.
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I'm halfway between Leftydude and BlaineG. I use a Lee Factory Crimp die for a moderate crimp in the midpoint of the crimping groove. I've done this for years, with all of my 30-30's. Like Blaine I think this helps equalize pressure with uniform powder burn. No, I can't prove it, but I've done it this way ever since Lee came out with the FCD, and before that, I'd bump a light crimp in the crimping groove with my seating die--but as a separate operation after the bullet seating is done and the seating stem is backed out of the die a bit so as to not push the bullet in further while crimping.
I shoot a lot of cast bullets in my 30-30's. Mostly Lyman 311041 (180 gr. flat nose) and 311467 (180 gr. semi-pointy). I like to bell slightly with the Lyman 2-step expander die so I don't shave any lead when seating, and then when seating I adjust the seater die so it just removes the bell without trying for any crimp. I never have any noticeable movement of these bullets in a good case.
Over the years, using scrounged and/or purchased once-fired cases, I have found the occasional case that normal sizing procedure didn't produce a tight enough case neck for a firm bullet hold. I just toss such a case.
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I usually crimp the 30-30 or any tubular mag round jut in case. I like the Lee FCD it is easy and performs as advertised. Do I need to ? Is it necessary? I don't know to both questions but crimps work for me. If you don't want to spend the time (minimal) fine then don't, but all the major manufacturers do, your call.
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I use a roll crimp. With properly prepared cases, it's easy. I have found nary a reason to add what I view as a totally unnecessary step to the process. I went to the trouble of buying a LFCD and loaded 30 identical loads, 15 of each, roll & crimp. I wasn't having a good shooting day, but found no advantage.
i learned how to reload some 37 years ago with the .30-30. I've experimented with all kinds of techniques and gadgets, I always end up back where I started, doing it just like my mentor and the Lyman manual tught me.
In that time I've have maybe had ONE bullet pushed back. BUT! Since a good, conistent crimp also aids ignition and bullet release, I will continue to do so.
Lefty,
You're seating 'em out too far! I can get 9 of my 150's in mine!
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Griff wrote:I use a roll crimp. With properly prepared cases, it's easy. I have found nary a reason to add what I view as a totally unnecessary step to the process. I went to the trouble of buying a LFCD and loaded 30 identical loads, 15 of each, roll & crimp. I wasn't having a good shooting day, but found no advantage.
i learned how to reload some 37 years ago with the .30-30. I've experimented with all kinds of techniques and gadgets, I always end up back where I started, doing it just like my mentor and the Lyman manual tught me.
In that time I've have maybe had ONE bullet pushed back. BUT! Since a good, conistent crimp also aids ignition and bullet release, I will continue to do so.
Lefty,
You're seating 'em out too far! I can get 9 of my 150's in mine!
I am shooting 170's in mine, and crimping in the crimp groove.
I may just try cutting the spring back a little to get nine in the tube.
Thanks for the input,I appreciate it.I think I'll pick up a Lee FCD and load some up to compare with my other reloads.I won't be doing any shooting until warmer weather gets here though.I have enough trouble trying to hold her steady when it's nice and warm outside.
chipper wrote:Thanks for the input,I appreciate it.I think I'll pick up a Lee FCD and load some up to compare with my other reloads.I won't be doing any shooting until warmer weather gets here though.I have enough trouble trying to hold her steady when it's nice and warm outside.
I crimp 30/30s, not heavy, just roll the mouth into the canalure. I have had factory ammo allow the bullet to set back into the case several times. They looked like they had no crimp at all & if memory serves were Remingtons. I dont crimp for bolt actions but theres a big difference in what the ammo is subjected to. Theres fewer forces trying to move a bullet in a bolt gun that a tube fed lever gun.
That said I'v never had a 30/30 handloaded round as easy to push the bullet into the case as with those factory rounds. Given the ammount of force I need to move one I'v loaded myself the crimp might not be needed, but it belongs there so I do it. Why mess with what works?
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