Midway greed?

Paul Jenkins · Post by **Paul Jenkins** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:47 pm

I just went to Midway for a stock up of components & tools.
I ordered a cleaning rod stop for less than $3.00 and they want an extra $3.00 because it is an inexspensive item. Guess I'll have to buy elsewhere. Greedy bunch af baastards.

wecsoger · Post by **wecsoger** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:18 pm

Ahhhh....I respectfully disagree.

Went to the Midway site, loaded that item into the shopping cart. Got a note about a $3.00 "special handling fee" for orders less than $25. I added in shooting glasses for a total of $34.99 and that fee went away.

"Picking" an order, getting it boxed up and sent out takes about the same time, effort and shipping materials as does five to ten items.

Ray Newman · Post by **Ray Newman** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:25 pm

" 'Picking' an order, getting it boxed up and sent out takes about the same time, effort and shipping materials as does five to ten items."
--wecsoger

BINGO!

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:34 pm

Unfortunately, that's what they've got to do as a business.

Selling a $3 item mail order is a money-losing proposition, unless
you make it up in shipping and handling, an extra fee, or unless it is
something that human hands don't have to touch - like a coupon on
the internet paid for with a credit card or something. Adding the fee
for tiny items allows them to offer great customer service, and
discounts on other items from time to time. Not that they're perfect
all the time, but that's just a part of doing business these days.

-Stretch

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:59 pm

plus, to take your credit card costs them 35 cents per transaction PLUS the percentage, so their profit is gone right there.

Last time we discussed this topic, someone needed a screw that cost 30 cents, and of course the order came to about six bucks with shipping and handling. My advice was, hey, why not order TWO while you're at it.

Do you mean to say you stocked up on components, tools, parts, and shooting supplies, and your order came to $3.00?

Saturday I took a walk through the reloading store, not needing anything, and about $65.00 worth of stuff stuck to my clothes as I went through.

Beaker · Post by **Beaker** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:09 pm

El Chivo wrote: Saturday I took a walk through the reloading store, not needing anything, and about $65.00 worth of stuff stuck to my clothes as I went through.

Paul Jenkins · Post by **Paul Jenkins** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:37 pm

wecsoger wrote:Ahhhh....I respectfully disagree.

Went to the Midway site, loaded that item into the shopping cart. Got a note about a $3.00 "special handling fee" for orders less than $25. I added in shooting glasses for a total of $34.99 and that fee went away.

"Picking" an order, getting it boxed up and sent out takes about the same time, effort and shipping materials as does five to ten items.

Then they should be up front about it. I have spent thousannds at midwway. I'll do business elsewre when I can. I consider business like this GREED

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:47 pm

They are up front with it. It's posted several places in the web site, and in the catalog as well. All you got to do is read what you're looking at.

But if you want to take your business elsewhere, feel free. That just leaves more stock for me when I need it.

Joe

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:50 pm

It's not greed. They can't be a profitable business and keep the lights on if they are loosing money on orders. I spend a lot of money with them, and there have been many times that what I needed at the time didn't exceed $25 to avoid the small order fee. There is always something else I can use, cleaning patches, bore brushes, something, to get over the small order.

win38-55 · Post by **win38-55** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:59 pm

I dont think they are being greedy. They are just trying to run a business the best they can.
If the lose money because someone only buys something for say 2.50 but it cost them 3.00 to
get it processed they lose money. Thus having to pass it on to the rest of us suckers that spend insane
amounts of money with them. Midway is a good company, they have did me right many times over when something was
wrong with my order.

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:21 pm

If I need one single, inexpensive item I go to Graf & Sons. $4.95 handling and no shipping. If I need several, more expensive items it is usually cheaper to shop at other places. I buy a lot from MidSouth, but their website has a habit of "emptying" your cart, which gets frustrating. Midway is more likely to have what I need in stock and they tend to have great sale prices occasionally.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:05 am

IF there was a store near you that carried that item, it would probably cost more than that in gas, not to mention your time, to go get it. The $3.00 charge seems reasonable enough to me. I have other issues with Midway, but that's not one of them.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:59 pm

Ditto what others have said. I was pretty upset with Midway when they started charging shipping & handling some years ago, but realized it was simply applying the actual costs for each order. They had to bury the costs in their prices, and people wanted lower prices. Small orders, at a certain point, can really kill a business built on volume. It's not that they don't want these orders - the hope to build customer loyalty, and hope you'll order more in the future (or know sometimes one just can't wait until their next larger order to get something in). They just need to cover their costs actually fulfilling all orders.

I want them to do this. I have customers that expect me to lose money on all our transactions - or at least not make any profit. Do that for any length of time and one goes out of business. I want Midway and others to be around a long time!

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Agreed on what everyone else has said. It's not greed but nessesary to stay in business. Maybe they should just stop carrying small, cheap parts all together. Would that make you happy? I know I wouldn't be happy about it.

LK

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:04 pm

Paul Jenkins wrote:
wecsoger wrote:Ahhhh....I respectfully disagree.

Went to the Midway site, loaded that item into the shopping cart. Got a note about a $3.00 "special handling fee" for orders less than $25. I added in shooting glasses for a total of $34.99 and that fee went away.

"Picking" an order, getting it boxed up and sent out takes about the same time, effort and shipping materials as does five to ten items.
Then they should be up front about it. I have spent thousannds at midwway. I'll do business elsewre when I can. I consider business like this GREED

I don't see it as greed because it reflects a business reality that helps them to keep their prices low on all of their gear. I don't buy less than $25 worth of stuff from Midway or I deal with the $3 charge. After all, I didn't spend any $$ on gas driving to their shop to get the item so...

And as far as them being up front about it, it's not like they charged you the $3 without telling you about it. You can always walk away, and you did - no harm, no foul. Nothing hidden or sneaky about that all in my view.

Midway, Brownell's, Numrich and Amazon. I don't know what I'd do without 'em. They've all been very fair to me in my view and as I said before, I don't spend much on gas shopping from 'em!

Just me talkin'.

Oly

horsesoldier03 · Post by **horsesoldier03** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:19 pm

And they wonder why WALLY WORLD does such a good buisness!

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:13 pm

I have seen that fee before. Wont stop me from shopping there. Larry has put together a good company and I have always had good experiences shopping there. He also does a lot for our shooting sports. I am sure he would rather not have to put that charge on there but it was necessary.

willygene · Post by **willygene** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:56 pm

If you can afford to to buy it and other reloading stuff you can afford that, I do but I'm not a tight wad when buying reloading supplies, and think they have a good business at midway.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:29 pm

It is the same reason we charge patients to phone in 'refills' - the chart needs pulled, past year's care reviewed to see if there's something they need to follow up on (i.e. abnormal chest X-ray), which there likely IS, because otherwise they'd have been given more refills initially. A physician may need 20 minutes to plow through the chart to figure out why Ms. Jones is requesting a refill on Lasix, when our last note said we were discontinuing it due to low potassium. Then we have to paw through notes from her other doctors, interim lab results, and see if anyone else has dealt with it. Finally, we determine that an E.R. doc changed her to aldactone, so we write up an order to mail to her with the prescription for the aldactone, plus have to call her and explain why she isn't getting the Lasix she thought she was going to get, and find out if she misunderstood the E.R. doctor and is really taking both now at the same time. THAT takes as much or more time as the office visit we'd have been paid for, and consumes therefore the same staff overhead.

So we charge, even though the $10 doesn't begin to cover the overhead cost incurred (around $3/minute or thereabouts overhead typical for most primary care providers).

Some patients think that's "greedy" too; we encourage them to find other physicians who are less greedy...

Midway is just doing what is as fair as they can practically manage, and is being open and up-front about it; can't ask for more than that!

vancelw wrote:If I need one single, inexpensive item I go to Graf & Sons. $4.95 handling and no shipping. If I need several, more expensive items it is usually cheaper to shop at other places. I buy a lot from MidSouth, but their website has a habit of "emptying" your cart, which gets frustrating. Midway is more likely to have what I need in stock and they tend to have great sale prices occasionally.

You GOT it...! Graf isn't "greedy" because they chose to let the big-dollar orderers make up for the losses incurred with the small-order people, any more than MidwayUSA is "greedy" because they prefer to have the small-order people pay their way, and not stick it to the big-dollar orderers.

Kroger may sell peanut butter cheap to get you in to buy higher priced cereal, and Marsh may sell cereal cheap to get you in to buy higher priced peanut butter. Same thing.

"Convenience" stores price bread and jelly way higher than Sam's Club, but Sam's club is 50 miles away, and only open daytimes, so tradeoffs like that are expected. Neither is "greedy" - they are just trying to fill different niches in the marketplace.

Buy your stuff at whatever store is the most appropriate for the items and quantity you're getting, but no need to have hard feelings towards either one.

Most of us who are self-employed or small business owners understand these things as second nature - both from the buyer and seller's perspective - our wholesalers and suppliers do the same thing we do when we sell at retail or charge for our services.

rimrock · Post by **rimrock** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:09 pm

I left Midway 2-3 years ago when I felt their shipping fees, on average, were too much. At least with Graf's I know what I'm going to pay before I check out. I think Midway and Graf's are probably closer in price now, but I haven't bothered to give Midway another chance. everyone overcharges on shipping because the IRS lets them deduct more of their costs if it is billed as shipping--something about paying for employee's time or whatnot. Just 1 of many examples of why the IRS code needs to be revised.

rimrock

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:58 pm

Kroger may sell peanut butter cheap to get you in to buy higher priced cereal, and Marsh may sell cereal cheap to get you in to buy higher priced peanut butter. Same thing.

Exactly! In retail, "One hand giveth and the other hand taketh away."

One place can't have the lowest price on everything and expect to stay
in business.

Some folks rant about the prices of long guns in local shops vs. WalMart.
Same thing. WalMart can buy in bulk, and let a few pennies slide here and there
at retail. The little gun store owner can't - but try asking the WalMart
employee to advise on the best ammo, lubricant, disassembly procedures,
local shootin' sites, etc.. You (usually!) get more from the local shop -
but, yes - you pay a little bit more for it.

-Stretch

piller · Post by **piller** » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:03 pm

I work retail, too. The good Doctor put it perfectly.
Now, Wal Mart may sell you things very cheaply, but they strong arm suppliers into selling them things in such bulk that it hurts the supplier. I know this because I used to work for them and had a very tiny part in deciding what to buy from a supplier, and could see the prices we could force the supplier to give us. Check out why Schrade knives went bankrupt and the name was bought out by Taylor Brands.
As a Pharmacist, I can't count the number of times a Physician has said no to a refill because the patient hasn't been in to have a checkup in over a year. The patients each and every time complain that the Doctor is only wanting money. I let them know that there might be a change in their condition, and that unless they are a Doctor, they are probably not in the position to make that determination. I then say that also for the Doctor to keep them on the medicine, the insurance company requires that there be a paperwork trail. We gripe about Insurance, but they are businesses also. They may refuse to pay for your medicine if you haven't followed their rules. Greedy Insurance Companies? Maybe, but they are businesses with stockholders. Some greedy executives are there for sure. Tom Ryan of CVS/pharmacy got a 14+ million dollar bonus/stock options package for 2010 and the Pharmacy Technicians are not getting a pay raise in 2011. BUT, businesses must make a profit if they are to stay in business whether they be a large corporation or a Doctor's office. I make my living by working for a business which is making a profit.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:45 am

plus the box or padded envelope costs about a buck. Manila envelopes might be 25-35 cents but your product would get damaged.

I ship things, too, and I get free cardboard from work to stiffen the envelopes. But still it costs me about 50 cents to pack an order.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:32 pm

Funny how this all plays out. When I have request for parts that aren't available in my Wed STORE and if that part is less than $50 I don't charge any S&H. But, I do ask you to send a stamped, self addressed, padded envelope. You would be surprised how many folks just don't want to do that but get upset when I tell them I can take care of it for them but that part now cost $50.

When you are in business for yourself you have to put a dollar value on every waking minute of your time. I don't even mow my own yard because I can't do it as cheap as the guy that does mow it.

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:31 pm

Paul Jenkins wrote: Then they should be up front about it. I have spent thousannds at midwway. I'll do business elsewre when I can. I consider business like this GREED

With respect, given Wecsoger's explanation, you just don't understand business, Paul. Greed has nothing to do with it. Midway's "minimum charge" is their way of covering costs on small-$ orders to prevent losing money.

Businesses that do not cover their costs "ship $$$ out the door" with every order. And businesses that ship $$$ out the door are soon OUT of business.

Noah

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:52 pm

I recently ordered a firing pin and a front sight for a Berreta single barrel Trap Gun from Coles back east somewhere. The firing pin is 3/4 in long and no more than 1/8 in at the big end. Shipping and handling was $5. Now how much could these parts weigh? I talked to a Woman for about 5 minutes who in turn was talking to a Tech. I lined the 4 broken pieces as best I could and came up with about 3/4 in. She told the Guy this and He said here is the one He needs. I love talking to Someone that knows what They R doing.

wecsoger · Post by **wecsoger** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:29 pm

Folks, I'm thinking this is another subject like 9mm v. 45ACP, revolvers v. autos, Glocks v. everything else where most folk's opinions are already set and not much is going to change it.

So rather engage in more deceased equine energy transfer (dead horse beating) I'd say we get back to the real important stuff of the hog and goat photos, bring out the Win '94's and try to figure out what's going on with the weather.

Just sayin'.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:11 pm

U said it . Now about those rediculous shipping charges for $2 item. JK-lol
I hope Ur not planning on using a 94 on My Goats.

sullkat · Post by **sullkat** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:56 pm

I don't mind paying the handling charge. Today I ordered 4 screw sets 2 from midway 2 from buffalo. the orders were placed 10 mins. apart. At this moment the ones from midway are on the way, the order to buffalo has been submitted for processing.
The ones from Midway were $3.14 cents cheaper even with the handling charge.

Ray Newman · Post by **Ray Newman** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:41 am

Well it looks like we have the the never ending battle of the "greedy" bastards versus the "cheap" bastards.

'Sorta' like the union plumber who complains that union electricians are paid too much....

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:13 pm

I stopped buying from Midway for the same reason, shipping and handling to high..! If they can afford to spend $$$$$ to sponsor an entire night of programming on the Outdoor Channel, then they're doing well enough that they should be able to fill ANY sized order..!

I don't remember them charging a minimum back when they were a 10 page rag about 20 years ago, they were hungry for any business..!

Noah Zark wrote: With respect, given Wecsoger's explanation, you just don't understand business, Paul. Greed has nothing to do with it. Midway's "minimum charge" is their way of covering costs on small-$ orders to prevent losing money.

Businesses that do not cover their costs "ship $$$ out the door" with every order. And businesses that ship $$$ out the door are soon OUT of business.

Noah

Again, with respect Noah,..when I see Mr. Midway and his doofus son traipsing behind Jim Shockey on a Moose "hunt" up North, I figure than can afford my handling fee...!

SFRanger7GP · Post by **SFRanger7GP** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:21 pm

I will never understand how most American, blue collar workers do not want to spend money that might possibly be supporting other American, blue collar workers. But I guess we can all sleep well knowing the Chinese economy is booming and the American, blue collar worker saved $1.00.

wavetrain75 · Post by **wavetrain75** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:31 pm

Everyone knows that using mail order to buy inexpensive items will often result in shipping charges that equal or exceed the price of the item. Call it what you want, I call it reality. Shipping charges rise steadily and will continue to do so, and the only way to recover that cost is to pass it on to the customer.

Midway is still on my A list and will remain there if I continue to get the service that I have in the past. Even if their website search function is far and away the worst I have ever used.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:31 am

this is out of the thread Kinda. I have gotten used to shipping charges on smaller items if I really want them. I had to eat Crow on that one. I just make sure when I order it is a big enough order.
That being said.RANT MODE ON-- What I hate is the Bank or credit card Co etc charging a late fee of $39 and Ur balance is only 15 or20, Now that Gripes Me, I know It was My fault, but sometimes things just get shoved underneath.Rant off. No I don't feel Better.

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:10 am

deerwhacker444 wrote:I stopped buying from Midway for the same reason, shipping and handling to high..! If they can afford to spend $$$$$ to sponsor an entire night of programming on the Outdoor Channel, then they're doing well enough that they should be able to fill ANY sized order..!

I don't remember them charging a minimum back when they were a 10 page rag about 20 years ago, they were hungry for any business..!

Noah Zark wrote: With respect, given Wecsoger's explanation, you just don't understand business, Paul. Greed has nothing to do with it. Midway's "minimum charge" is their way of covering costs on small-$ orders to prevent losing money.

Businesses that do not cover their costs "ship $$$ out the door" with every order. And businesses that ship $$$ out the door are soon OUT of business.

Noah
Again, with respect Noah,..when I see Mr. Midway and his doofus son traipsing behind Jim Shockey on a Moose "hunt" up North, I figure than can afford my handling fee...!

In the era of near-$4 per gallon gasoline, shipping charges do not bother me. I'd much rather pay $10 to ship a $2 spring than drive 12 hrs one way from PA to IL to pick it up. Some people call it "not stepping over dollars to same dimes."

Similarly, I'll pay $20-$30-$50 more to buy a firearm from a local dealer than waste time and spend $$$ driving around to find the same weapon "at the best price." I look at the Total Cost of Acquisition -- not just the purchase price of a item, but what time and energy costs go into acquisition of that item. And as a businessman who does ship things back to customers, I can appreciate the time spent in packaging those items, weighing the carton, entering the shipping info into the UPS or (hopefully not) FedEx databases, and applying the shipping labels (and CALLING FedEx after entering the info on their website, and having to deal with the incompetents that work at the FedEx CS call center). All that takes time, and time is $$$. Those who begrudge paying shipping and handling charges simply don't have an understanding or appreciation for business, IMO.

I don't begrudge Larry Potterfield his hunting trips, either. He's a businessman who's worked hard to grow Midway, and if he can mix business with pleasure and try out some of his products in the field, more power to him.

Steve Young (NKJ) summed it up in his post above, and I'll paraphrase: You can pay $2 for the part and $10 for shipping/handling, or $20 for the shipped part. But you can't pay $2 for a shipped part, because that ships $$$ out the door.

All that said, we can agree to disagree.

Or, I can type in all caps and tell you that YOU ARE FULL OF BOVINE EXCREMENT AND DON'T HAVE THE FOGGIEST IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, and people will celebrate my straightforward "tell it like it is" manner.

But I choose to state my opinion in a polite, respectful manner in keeping with the board expectations.

Noah

DennisB · Post by **DennisB** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:29 am

Paul Jenkins wrote:Then they should be up front about it. I have spent thousannds at midwway. I'll do business elsewre when I can. I consider business like this GREED

Couldn't disagree more! I’d guess you probably don’t own your own business......

Dennis.

rogn · Post by **rogn** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:08 am

Im a Johnny come late here, but Ive got $0.02 or maybe only $0.01. At any rate the number one priority of any business is to keep the doors open. The only way that happens short of Gov sponsorship is to continuously turn a profit. When the cheapest way to ship a screw that weighs about 30 grains and costs $1.75 is to pack in a padded envelope, and run thru the postal service. About $0.80 postage, envelope might be as cheap as $0.50, takes at least a few minutes to findthe screw, check it, package it, check the invoice, prep the labels, if USPS picks up, deal w/paper work again, arrange payment, etc. Cleanup work area and move on to next project. In a small business w/ few employees and limited warehouse space, and a V motivated worker, this may take only 5minutes. In a large warehouse, (Midway), the walk or the communique to the "puller", and the move to shipping may entail 5-10 minutes of personnel time. Add this all up and a 6-10$ handling and shipping fee looks really very cheap. If this item were available at "Ace Hardware" you could save all that handling and etc. Which brings us to the next point- inventory costs and management. What Im trying to say is service COSTS. Survival requires covers operating costs and posting a profit. Again of course unless youre a gov, agency. And as you may infer the main difference in shipping and handling between the 30 gr screw and a $325 SS match barrel is the package and the shipping cost differential for the added weight. As you may also assume the profit on the barrel helps defray the S&H. Have I muddied the picture further. This all being said, I buy very little from Midway anymore since I can get most things large or small from my local Friendly at the same or lower pricing. When Midway was sending out a single page flier, their prices were far more attractive. Their service was very good then as it still is today. If Larry Potterfield wants enjoy the fruits of his labor and go on a hunting trip, thats his right, thats our system. He's also doing more to help maintain rights and freedoms than say Walmart, or some of the other large sports department stores.

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:15 am

Well said, rogn.

Noah

Old Ranger · Post by **Old Ranger** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:32 am

Placed an order for about 47 bucks worth of stuff from Midway on 1/31/11. Was shipped that day. An ice storm put surface vehicles in Texas at a standstill. Midway, not me, contacted UPS and directed them to transfer the shipment to USPS and get that thing delivered. There was no additional fee attached and I never had to lift a finger to get thia action done. Midway tracks their orders and if they bog down, Midway will get after the shipper to get busy.

They got my business for sure. Sorry that others feel that the shipping is too high. I was only ordering $47 worth of stuff and they treated the order like it was $4700. That company has the customer in mind as far as I'm concerned.

Wade

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:12 am

With all due respect (which in some cases actually infers distain), for those of you that feel Midway USA is somehow getting RICH off their shippin' charges; get REAL! This is one of those NCIS moments where Gibbs smacks Tony upside the head!

The good Dr. and others have explained the necessity well; far better than I could! So... if you still don't get it, this would be where I (Gibbs) smack you (Tony) upside the head!

Now, if ya really wanna save those S&H charges, drive on out there and pick it up in person!

Then complain.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:04 am

Ok, that was a bit harsh; but... here's why I feel that way. It costs me x dollars per mile based on y miles per month to run my truck... and that has to cover fuel, scheduled and unscheduled maintenance, tolls, licenses, registration & insurance; plus a bit as a reasonable income for the driver and profit for me.

Now as an example, (which really does happen), basically you're asking me to haul a load for the same per mile rate for a 100 mile haul that picks up today and delivers tomorrow as the 600 mile load for the same period. Yet in actuality, many of those costs I listed are based on time, not miles.

Then, some poor smuck calls me up and asks me to haul his load of european hardwood from Jacksonville, FL to Houston for 20 cents under my actual costs; and yet, right next door there's Bicardi offering twice as much for me to haul his load of Rum from Jacks to NJ! Guess who's lumber is STILL rottin' in Jacks? Now some other smuck might be willing to do it for under cost, but what's he NOT going to pay for? Baby still needs oatmeal, truck stil burns fuel, insurance, licenses and registration still gotta get paid... hmmm... maybe tires or brakes can be put off till next month???? I'll pray you're not in the car that has to make a panic stop in front of him!

Oh yea, guess who called the company and complained when I said, "...not only no, but I hope your lumber ROTS on the dock!"

Oh and if Larry & his son are invited to hunt moose in AK with Shockley on TV, I can be jealous... even envious... but if what I understand about TV is true, those advertisers pay the freight on those deals... and like outfitters, from time to time I "do a favor" for those shippers that give continous, repeat business or referrals.

SJPrice · Post by **SJPrice** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:12 am

If anyone missed the message up to this point, they should get it now. Thanks Griff. Now go relax and let your BP drop back to normal.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:07 pm

Griff wrote:Oh and if Larry & his son are invited to hunt moose in AK with Shockley on TV, I can be jealous... even envious... but if what I understand about TV is true, those advertisers pay the freight on those deals... and like outfitters, from time to time I "do a favor" for those shippers that give continous, repeat business or referrals.

Well said but I'll go one step farther and say that even if Larry has paid for a lavish trip out of his personal treasure, GOOD ON 'IM!!!

I've got no time for trust babies and those who live off the fat of the land on "old money", but when a man builds something from nothing and EARNS the American dream through hard work and business smarts it really chaps my hide to see small minded folks begrudging him and his their just deserts.

Sorry, I had no intention of adding to the dead horse beating after making one comment early on but that later comment, complete with derisive comments about the Potterfield's physical attributes - as if that's got a danged thing to do with anything - really disgusted me and I couldn't let it lay. "Someone's wrong on the internet!!" Again, sorry, I'm done.

Oly

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:25 pm

Griff wrote:Bicardi offering twice as much for me to haul his load of Rum from Jacks to NJ!

Yer haulin' Bacardi? Call me next time please...