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TNBigBore wrote:Well said Charles. I guess we Tennesseeans should be a little more proactive. I meant no offence to any Texans. I guess this dates back to my childhood when we had new neighbors move in from Corpus Christi. I came to blows more than once with the twin boys my age over Texas vs Tennessee issues.
I REALLY enjoyed my stay in Texas and the Texas hospitality I experienced, and really felt right at home with the down-to-Earth country folks I met, and the Tejano people really reminded me of home. Texas and Hawaii have ALLOT in common, both share a strong history in cattle with both learning cattle ranching skills from Mexican Vaqueros, the Hawaiian word for Cowboy being Paniolo a corruption of the word Hispaniole or Spanish as the Hawaiians called these first Cowboys to Hawaii from Mexico who taught them not only cattle ranching skills but also introduced the Guitar to Hawaiian culture which evolved into the Kiho'alu or "Slack Key" style of guitar playing. These Vaquero also introduced through what came from their Mexican cattle's belly the seeds of the Panini (Prickly Pear Cactus), and Kiawe (Mesquite) which are now very common on the drier Lee (Kona) sides of all islands.
Hawaii and Texas are the only two states in the union that were each at one time independent nations. It was nice drinking a toast with Richard my new Texan friend to both our great states.
And let's not forget to add the Vaughn brothers to the list, Jimmie Lee and Stevie Ray.
TN is the only other state I'd consider living in. I spent 5 years living out of TX courtesy of Uncle Sam. 3 months at FT Sill (if I never see that place again, it will be too soon), 6 months at FT Gordon and the rest of the time at FT Campbell.
TN was as close to "home" as I could get.
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Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
I got to live in "a few" places over 20+ in the uncle sugers army.
I was real fond of GA.meet some fine people down around savannah when at hunter AAF.good fishing and hunting.if I ever left tx it would be on the top of my list.
Ji.... I didn't realize that Vaqueros played such a part in the Aloha state's history. Thanks for the lesson.
Texas would not be Texas without the strong Mexican influence. Most of our "cowboy" culture can trace it's roots back to the Mexican Vaquero. Even our saddles evolved from the Mexican stock saddle.
When Richard King needed help on his vast ranch, he went down into Mexico and hired an entire village where the men were Vaqueros and moved the entire town to his ranch. The descendents of those people still work for the King Ranch. They are called "Kenenos" or King's people (corrupted). They are now third or fourth generation Americans, but still retain that strong Vaquero horse and cattle culture. darn fine folks!
If a fellow has never been to a Charraria (Mexican Rodeo) they really should go. You will see some of the finest horses and horsemanship in the world. You will also meet some salt of the earth people.
Again... Thanks for the lesson...I feel a little smarter today for it.
As long as we are braging on states... I do need to mention New Mexico. I have sojourned there twice and loved it each time. It is truly the "Land of Enchantment"... but I will say in Texas, thank you very much!!!
Until it got flooded with people, Arizona was a great place to live. The sheer variety and majesty of the scenery makes it unique, as well as it's Native American and Old West history. I was born in Puerto Rico(my Dad was career Air Force), but moved to Arizona when I was 1 year old. We lived in Gilbert, Mesa, Apache Jct. and Flagstaff, and the whole area was a paradise for a kid, even in 115 degree heat . It was a gun friendly place too and my Dad would carry openly, but I'm sure the "opposing party" is trying to change that atmosphere. It looks more like L.A. now but Arizona is still wonderful to look at. I still consider it my homestate.
This thread reminds me how interconnected we all are as Americans and also those abroad who love freedom.
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
CCash,
I moved to Az. in 1985 for work, I used to go shooting off of Jomax Rd.
Now there are houses as far as you can see.
I am retiring soon, but Az. has been good to me, gun friendly, good pay, benefits,etc.
Now it's time to back to the Res.
I roomed with 2 or 3 Texans while in the Navy. One thing Texans never run short on is pride. Or the ability to tell you about it!
Just having fun with you guys. It got interesting when we had an Okie move in with us. Had to get hip waders just to get out of bed because the B.S. got so deep.
I didn't realize that your homage to Texas had turned into a general cheer for everyone's respective home state. I suppose I would be remiss if I didn't point out that most everyone's family of English descent had at least sojourned in Virginia enroute to Texas.
I've been doing a lot of genealogical work lately and was amazed that nearly all the family lines had passed through Virginia as they passed through the south and many eventually into Texas (via NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, and LA). Neat.
Sincerely,
Hobie
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All Texas brag aside, even though I'm native Texan, I love the entire west, haved travelled a good portion of it and have lived in California, Idaho, Oregon and NM. New Mexico is my favorite- lived in Los Alamos and graduated high school there. Also hung my hat in Taos, Carlsbad, Las Cruces and Lovington. Been across the south, up the east coast as far as Virginia and drove through the Smokies on my way home--great places, one and all.
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This has been an amazing post. It is rare for a relatively new post to have this many replies. Love Texas, but being raised in El Paso, spent a lot of time in New Mexico. City of Rocks was our families own private play ground, dirt road off of Hwy 180 long before it got gravel and then became paved. Kingston and Hillsboro spent many summers there running the hills around Emery pass. Gila Cliff dwellings and of course Catron county saying you had to have a gun. Beautiful Gallup and almost anywhere along Hwy 87 between Clayton and Raton.
Land of Enchantment indeed!!!
Ron
everybody wants to be a cowboy but, nobody wants to ride the range
Hobbie... My GGGGGGGGrandfather Col. Samuel Mathews was Royal Governor of Virginia about 1650. I have several other lines that came to Virginia before the Revolutionary War. Most moved on to North Carolina or Georga before coming to Texas before the Civil War.
Hobie,
Lost my geneology work on the last laptop... have the data, but the program didn't get saved before the motherboard fried, harddrive crashed... But, my step-father's GGGrandfather married an "Elizabeth" from "Virginia", no other details known. How she came to be in York, PA in the 1770's is anyone's guess. Their son moved his family to TN's Knob Hill area in the early 1800s. 'Bout as near to VA as you can get.
Nate,
Yep, although a relative newcomer myself, I already see the result of influx! Why in the 17 years I've lived here, the population of our little town has grown from 213 to 912! Winter ain't THAT long!
Griff,
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My mothers side of the family was from Maryland and West Virginia.My Great grandmother lived on the mountain right across the river from Harpers Ferry on the Maryland heights side.You could see the Potomac from her front porch.I got my name because that side of the family made fun of my daddy for being a "darn Rebel" from Tennessee.He sure taught them didn't he
Charles wrote:Ji.... I didn't realize that Vaqueros played such a part in the Aloha state's history. Thanks for the lesson.
Texas would not be Texas without the strong Mexican influence. Most of our "cowboy" culture can trace it's roots back to the Mexican Vaquero. Even our saddles evolved from the Mexican stock saddle.
When Richard King needed help on his vast ranch, he went down into Mexico and hired an entire village where the men were Vaqueros and moved the entire town to his ranch. The descendents of those people still work for the King Ranch. They are called "Kenenos" or King's people (corrupted). They are now third or fourth generation Americans, but still retain that strong Vaquero horse and cattle culture. darn fine folks!
If a fellow has never been to a Charraria (Mexican Rodeo) they really should go. You will see some of the finest horses and horsemanship in the world. You will also meet some salt of the earth people.
Again... Thanks for the lesson...I feel a little smarter today for it.
Cattle was introduced to Hawaii back in 1793 a gift from Capt. George Vancouver to King Kamehameha I (The Great), and a KAPU or ban on harming them was put if effect on penalty of death. Fast forward 10 year and the cattle have multiplied so the KAPU is lifted but now there's wild cattle roaming the islands causing havoc and even death (descendants of the original introduction still roam wild and can be hunted today in certain forest reserves) They are hunted for their meat but not very efficiently. Fast forward to 1830, the cattle are getting way out of hand but there's also the high demand for beef especially the salted variety to resupply passing whaling ships. The now reigning King Kamehameha III recruits Mexican vaqueros from New Spain (Mexico not won independence from Spain yet) to the islands to teach the native Hawaiians how to handle horses and cattle. These Spanish (Hispaniole) cowboys were called Paniolo by the Hawaiians and thus this name became "cowboy". These newly trained Hawaiian Paniolo cowboys took to ranching vaquero-style quickly while integrating their own unique methods.
Please read: http://www.kamuela.com/pps/paniolo.htm for the story of Ikua Purdy a most famous Paniolo. I worked with his grandson for several years Mr. Ned Purdy of Ulupalakua Ranch.
Charles,
Did you know that there is a vinyard & winery in Deming now?
It is on the west side of town off of I-10
They do ship, had a bottle sent to Seattle before she moved there.
If you want a bottle, let me know; have to go to a board meeting back home in early April; so I will be going thru there
Mescalero... Yes, I have been to the winery in Deming. They make a rasberry flavored champaign called 'Imperial Kir" that is wonderful. I bought it by the case for special occasions. Texas has a law against wine being shiped in accross the state line, so I can't get it any more.
Ji:
Hawaii does have a lot of history to be proud of, too. When my Wife and I visited Oahu a few years ago, we toured the royal palace. King (David?) Kamehaha was very far ahead of his time with the palace. The Polynesian Cultural Center was great and highly informative about the islands history and heritage. The cliff where the warriors tried to jump to their deaths to avoid being killed by the King's forces, but couldn't due to the wind being so strong it blew them against the side of the cliff so the fall was not very far, was quite a site to see.
Next time you visit the Great State of Texas, let me know and I'll show you around the little city of Waxahachie. The courthouse is beautiful. And since Waxahachie is the Comanche word for Buffalo Dung, you can go home and say that you saw a city named for buffalo dung.
I am descended on my Dad's side from an Indian in Virginia who was the first native american to sign a treaty with the English Settlers. Another
ancestor was a ships doctor with the sons of Nemed on their trip to discover Ireland. On my Mom's side we had an ancestor who has a native american and noted for owning a plantation in Virginia and refusing to own slaves. Another ancestor owned Laugharne Castle in Wales. Despite these ties, I choose to live in Texas. I am proud of where I have come from, but I am prouder of where I choose to be at. We all build on what came before, and Texas has built with the people who came from other places. This merely makes Texas the better for being smart enough to use the best people who came here to make it great.
D. Brian Casady
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. It was a gun friendly place too and my Dad would carry openly, but I'm sure the "opposing party" is trying to change that atmosphere. 
