45-70 vs 44 special?

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:19 am

Well with conviction of purchasing a New 1895 Marlin in 45-70 I arrived at my local gun emporium.When I entered the usual crowd was hanging around.The owner was showing two customers(local docters)a firearm.The owner went to the back room to retrieve another firearm.Upon returning he hands me a new trade in.A used Cimarron 66 Yellowboy 19" barrelled saddle ring carbine chambered in 44 special to hold while the doc's examine another rifle.Well I ask how much?Well the price was right at $700 for a safe queen out the door.I did some swift trading and real cost to me was $500 out the door.

I love surprise's!:D

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:26 am

I'm sure you're already aware of this fact but for those that are not the toggle-link design 1866 & 1873 Winchesters even the newly made clones are not designed to take any more pressure than that factory loaded 44 Special so don't try and hot-rod the 44 Special into a 44 mag light, the design can't handle the pressure. $500 sounds like an excellent deal on your rifle, you'll have fun, but for hunting the 45/70 of course a better round.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:33 am

No hotrodding with this 1866 clone.Once seen 20 years ago a gent hotrod a charter arms bulldog(44 special)revolver.He was lucky that half the cylinder cleared his head

!after peeling the top strap back.I'll stick to my Marlin 308MX or Puma 92 in 45 colt for hunting.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:02 am

I'm sure you're already aware of this fact but for those that are not the toggle-link design 1866

I thought the Cimaron was a Uberti clone of the 1866 Winchester with the toggle link action in a brass frame (another reason to keep it mild).

Bluehawk · Post by **Bluehawk** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:54 am

WOW I have never seen one in 44 Special I OWNED one in 44/40 I liked it and woud love to have one in 44 spl. I have always wanted a Henry in that cal , and there was one run of them made for either Dixie or Cimarron about 8 or nine years ago ,from what I have learned , in the Henry I inquired at the time I bought mine ( 66 Yellow boy ) to seeif it was available in 44 spl but could find no referrence to it> ID SELL A COUPLE OF MINE FOR ONE IN 44 SPL

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:26 pm

Sweet!
That should be a fun rifle but YOU FORGOT PICS.

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:29 pm

44 Special is an overlooked round these days. Everybody has
to have a magnum. 44 Special is a pussycat in my magnum
revolver - it must be a FUN round to shoot in a rifle. Sounds
like you did all right.

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:25 pm

Fun, yes.
But will it kill an elephant

Marlin .35 · Post by **Marlin .35** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:50 pm

I think you made a great eal on your rifle!! You will never lose money on that one. The .44 Special is one of my favorite cartridges. It will still kill a deer, in factory form, but I would limit the range to 50 or 60 Yards. Good luck, and a picture please!! Art

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:06 am

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:08 am

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:13 am

After a dozen tries with flash/not this is the best camera will do!The "brass" is mirror polish(I could shave with it-no dips or scratches) and very bright.The rifle is like new condition.Bluehawk the original owner ordered this rifle (via the same gunshop he traded it back to)about 8 years ago.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:34 am

A little Photoshopping helps some...

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:43 am

Thanks Old Ironsights

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TomD · Post by **TomD** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:04 pm

I was thinking of the Marlin 1894, 44, and using it mostly with 44 Special. Is there any problem shooting these in the long chambers of the 44 mag? It is only a 1/8" difference, or could one set the barrel back? What about the 1/38 rifling.

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:39 pm

Jaguarundi - listen to Marlin .35 - he's obviously a gent of good
sense and distinction!

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:15 pm

tomD, you will probably come up with the same two problems that we come up with when shooting 38s out of our 357s.
1/ crud buildup in the end of the chamber which will need to be scrubbed out before 44mag will fit again.
2/ if you use the wrong kind of load you risk burning a ring into your chamber, which happens in the 357 with lite bullets at low velocities(in as little as 100 rounds).
I would suggest doing what I do, use the full size cartridge and load it back to the same ballistics as the special.