45-70 and Annealing?
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45-70 and Annealing?
At what point should one consider Annealing a case? New out of the box or after the first time they are fired or....? I'm just trying to figure out in advance how I should approach this if at all. New to the 45-70 Govt. cartridge. Load mostly Handgun shells etc. Thank You for any and all input. Big John.
Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
When they start splitting? The first hundred I bought are the Winchester branded nickel ones. I've hotrodded them and mousefarted them and cleaned them and not cleaned them. They have the nickel about worn completely off and I've never had one split. My Starline ones will probably last forever. I doubt I will ever need to anneal them.
Bottleneck cases? I saved a real old batch of Win 30/30 that was splitting by dipping the necks in hot lead until the web was too hot to hold then dunked in water.
Bottleneck cases? I saved a real old batch of Win 30/30 that was splitting by dipping the necks in hot lead until the web was too hot to hold then dunked in water.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
LET ME SEE......YOU BETTER HURRY UP AND GET READY PDQ......IN SIXTY YEARS OF SHOOTING MY OWN HANDLOADS I HAD TO ANNEAL ONE LITTLE BATCH OF BRASS AND THAT WAS SOME NORMA 257ACKLEY/IMP IN 1968......NOW HEAR THIS !!!! BRASS IS AN EXPENDABLE COMMODITY/PRODUCT, WHEN IT STARTS TO CRACK YOU SHIQCAN THE ENTIRE BATCH AND BUY NEW.....YOU HEAR ME...NEW !!!!! THINKL I AM KIDDING, CONSIDER THIS....IF THE NECKS ARE SPLITTING THE CASE HEADS ARE AS HARD AND BRITTLE OR EVEN MORE SO....GUESS WHAT HAPPENS THEN RIGHT BY YOUR ONLY TWO GODGIVEN HANDS AND EYEBALLS........I THOUGH YOU'D SEE IT MY WAY....
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And there you have it from a true authority.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
I started annealing my cases when I noticed it took different amount of effort to seat bullets. Once I annealed them the effort to seat the bullets was very consistent.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
Tycer wrote:And there you have it from a true authority.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
Thanks, Not interested in repairing brass as much as I am interested in making it last. Anyway, annealing is a part of reloading that is an accepted practice. Even some of the ammo manufacturers use it on their product. As I see it, it's up to the individual to decide when to call it quits and dispose of the suspect case as no longer viable. In my original post on this subject... What I'm asking is, when or what is the point where Annealing should be considered? Is there a rule of thumb there?Dewight wrote:I started annealing my cases when I noticed it took different amount of effort to seat bullets. Once I annealed them the effort to seat the bullets was very consistent.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
I think it is an interesting question though. Sometimes a batch of brass or loaded rounds just seems brittle from the start.
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Absolutely, and I have some now. Brass may be Affordable or cheap to some, Just not me and it's scarce as Hen's teeth at the moment for many calibers which sheds a new light on the subject.AJMD429 wrote:I think it is an interesting question though. Sometimes a batch of brass or loaded rounds just seems brittle from the start.
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I have been in TERRY`S camp on this even before I knew there was a TERRY.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
So if you went a bought some new brass ( as is the question here) and found the necks to be unsatisfactory you would throw it out (the new brass) and just buy more?Chuck 100 yd wrote:I have been in TERRY`S camp on this even before I knew there was a TERRY.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
Hate to be the only one in this camp, but here I am. TERRY, YOU'RE WRONG! Necks get brittle because they get worked by expanding when fired and then being resized. If you have a nice chamber in your gun the necks don't expand much and they go a long time before becoming brittle and your "buy new" advice is not unreasonable. But if you have a not-so-good chamber and the necks expand a bunch with each shot, they can become real brittle real fast. I have a 284 Win that, if I didn't anneal the necks, would last maybe 3 shots. 284 Win is not a cartridge you want to be buying brass for on any regular basis. And I have a 25-20 that I anneal every 5 shots or so to prevent losing the cases to neck splits. Those are the only two I have that I anneal for, but annealing is a good way to extend brass life for those rifles you own that are oversize in the neck area of the chamber.Terry Murbach wrote:BRASS IS AN EXPENDABLE COMMODITY/PRODUCT, WHEN IT STARTS TO CRACK YOU SHIQCAN THE ENTIRE BATCH AND BUY NEW.....YOU HEAR ME...NEW !!!!! THINKL I AM KIDDING, CONSIDER THIS....IF THE NECKS ARE SPLITTING THE CASE HEADS ARE AS HARD AND BRITTLE OR EVEN MORE SO.
And been my experience that once neck splits appear it is too late to anneal -- you're going to loose the whole batch if it has the same loading history.
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First and foremost... Thank You for actually reading and answering my train of thought rather than.... well you know (Rant, Rave, Chastise (?)). I do have some new brass that is in bad shape from the factory. It seems a waste to just chuck-it. Again, Thank You for your Positive and Forward thinking to help me as well as others. Big John.earlmck wrote:Hate to be the only one in this camp, but here I am. TERRY, YOU'RE WRONG! Necks get brittle because they get worked by expanding when fired and then being resized. If you have a nice chamber in your gun the necks don't expand much and they go a long time before becoming brittle and your "buy new" advice is not unreasonable. But if you have a not-so-good chamber and the necks expand a bunch with each shot, they can become real brittle real fast. I have a 284 Win that, if I didn't anneal the necks, would last maybe 3 shots. 284 Win is not a cartridge you want to be buying brass for on any regular basis. And I have a 25-20 that I anneal every 5 shots or so to prevent losing the cases to neck splits. Those are the only two I have that I anneal for, but annealing is a good way to extend brass life for those rifles you own that are oversize in the neck area of the chamber.Terry Murbach wrote:BRASS IS AN EXPENDABLE COMMODITY/PRODUCT, WHEN IT STARTS TO CRACK YOU SHIQCAN THE ENTIRE BATCH AND BUY NEW.....YOU HEAR ME...NEW !!!!! THINKL I AM KIDDING, CONSIDER THIS....IF THE NECKS ARE SPLITTING THE CASE HEADS ARE AS HARD AND BRITTLE OR EVEN MORE SO.
And been my experience that once neck splits appear it is too late to anneal -- you're going to loose the whole batch if it has the same loading history.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
Annealing can help accuracy on the big black powder cartridges by making bullet pull consistent. Many BPRS shooters anneal just for that purpose.
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Re: 45-70 and Annealing?
I anneal my new brass in 45-70 before I load it the first time. I also size it as well after that. I anneal again after 5 to 6 reloads and I'm getting about 20 to 30 times before replacing the brass.
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Great!, Practical and Factual experience we all can learn from. Thank you, Big John.joec wrote:I anneal my new brass in 45-70 before I load it the first time. I also size it as well after that. I anneal again after 5 to 6 reloads and I'm getting about 20 to 30 times before replacing the brass.