What is this???
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What is this???
I think it's an old marlin, but there are no serial numbers anywhere, no markings anywhere, nothing at all... It's not chambered in .44mag, .357mag or .30-30 (gently tried chambering these rounds yesterday)
It was given to me by a friend who got it from an inheritance. No clue as to what it is though... Best I can figure is a Marlin of some sort given the lever and bolt design..
Thanks for the help!!
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
It was given to me by a friend who got it from an inheritance. No clue as to what it is though... Best I can figure is a Marlin of some sort given the lever and bolt design..
Thanks for the help!!
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
Unknown lever gun by SVThuh, on Flickr
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Re: What is this???
Please post photos of the first 8 inches of the top of the barrel ahead of the reciever. This is usually marked with the caliber. Though given the rust shown in your photos the markings may be unreadable
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- Advanced Levergunner
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Re: What is this???
It does look like a Marlin 36 or 336. Is that a knurled knob on the magazine tube?
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Re: What is this???
...what is a Marlin without a loading gate called?
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Re: What is this???
Longrange308,
What results did you have with the chambering of those rounds? How big is the hole in the muzzle? Could you have a .22 Magnum rifle?
Shawn
What results did you have with the chambering of those rounds? How big is the hole in the muzzle? Could you have a .22 Magnum rifle?
Shawn
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Re: What is this???
.410 ?
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Re: What is this???
I'm thinking .410 also.
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Re: What is this???
Every marlin 36 in 410 I have seen has a loading gate. No idea what it is being loaded from the front of the magazine tube. Makes me think of the Henry small bore
Lever Guns but they would have a serial number somewhere and a caliber stamp.
Lever Guns but they would have a serial number somewhere and a caliber stamp.
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Re: What is this???
I just stumbled across an article on a Marlin 336 experimental 35 Remington that has no loading gate either.Take a look.
http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/5 ... 336-a.html
http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/5 ... 336-a.html
Re: What is this???
I'm no expert on Marlins, however I am not seeing a rear sight or any notch where one might have been which makes me agree with some of you other fellas as to it possibly being a 410.
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Re: What is this???
I looked at the link provided by bgmkithaca and think he may have it nailed: experimental 35 Remington from Marlin. Since you have a variety of cartridges available there, longrange, try poking the bullet nose into the front of the barrel and you'll soon see what diameter you are working with. If this is a 35 Remington, your 357 bullet nose will start down the barrel but jam gently into the rifling as you reach the full bullet diameter portion. If it's a .410 shotgun the 357 cartridge will drop right in up to the rim.
Nice pictures there, but we need a little more info to finish the diagnosis.
Nice pictures there, but we need a little more info to finish the diagnosis.
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Re: What is this???
It has subtle differences that I have never seen on any other Marlin. The small hole on the right side of the receiver for one. The lack of sights also makes me think 410 ga. Never seen one of those with no loading gate though, even the originals from the '20s. A photo of the muzzle would be helpful, and take a look and see if it is a rifled bore. Whatever it is, it's not common.
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Re: What is this???
Does it seem that the surface finish on the receiver is a lot rougher than most Marlins would be, or perhaps someone did a rough job of cleaning off pitting, but it does not look so much like a bad file job?
No import markings or foreign proof marks?
No import markings or foreign proof marks?
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Re: What is this???
There are absolutely no markings anywhere. I'm beginning to lean towards the "lunch box special" rifle..
More photos on Flickr if anyone is interested.
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
.38spl sits pretty good on the bolt face, but not perfect.
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
.30-30 is too big of a rim
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
So is .44mag
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Notch in underside of the barrel above the tube.. For a barrel band maybe??
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Magazine tube locking system
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Magazine tube follower
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Im still clueless.. Though the Henry that someone threw out above is close.. Anyone else have any ideas??
More photos on Flickr if anyone is interested.
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
.38spl sits pretty good on the bolt face, but not perfect.
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
.30-30 is too big of a rim
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
So is .44mag
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Notch in underside of the barrel above the tube.. For a barrel band maybe??
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Magazine tube locking system
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Magazine tube follower
Untitled by SVThuh, on Flickr
Im still clueless.. Though the Henry that someone threw out above is close.. Anyone else have any ideas??
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Re: What is this???
I read that thread on MO yesterday and that rifle was said to be a one of a kind and was chambered for the 35 Rem. Sold for somewhere around $3500 at auction.
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Re: What is this???
My first thought was Mossberg but the lug for the lever pivot is the wrong shape and so is the receiver above and forward of the loading port.
Slug the bore and make a chamber cast to determine the caliber. Knowing that may help with the identification.
Do the parts in the photos of the disassembled gun appear to be Marlin?
Slug the bore and make a chamber cast to determine the caliber. Knowing that may help with the identification.
Do the parts in the photos of the disassembled gun appear to be Marlin?
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- Levergunner 1.0
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Re: What is this???
The receiver is a waffle top, which puts it in the 1950s time frame.
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Re: What is this???
Any markings under the forearm?
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Re: What is this???
Nothing under there either. I can't find one roll mark or stamp anywhere. The bolt is almost identical to a newer marlin 336 that I have access to also..markinalpine wrote:Any markings under the forearm?
Mark
How common are "lunch box specials"?
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Re: What is this???
It's a Marlin of some sort, just ain't sure. Never saw anything like it, and I've seen thousands.
When the bolt is out of it, what do you see looking down the barrel? Get a strong light and see what kind of a chamber is in there. Rifling or smooth bore?
A prototype will usually have an "x" serial number and be devoid of other markings.
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When the bolt is out of it, what do you see looking down the barrel? Get a strong light and see what kind of a chamber is in there. Rifling or smooth bore?
A prototype will usually have an "x" serial number and be devoid of other markings.
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Re: What is this???
I'm guessing that it is chambered in .35 rem. the 38spl round does engage the rifling right at the bottom of the ogive, just before it meets the case.
Does anyone want to hook me up with a single .35 rem cartridge or dummy round?
Does anyone want to hook me up with a single .35 rem cartridge or dummy round?
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Re: What is this???
Yep, looks like my 35 Rem bolt face and that waffle top is good old Marlin. Lunchbox special with at least some experimental parts is a real good guess. I'll send you a 35 Rem dummy cartridge, longrange. Just PM me your address.
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is he who heals the most gullies. Patrick Henry
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Re: What is this???
Longrange308 -- i have to say this...that old Marlin is sooooo coooool...thank you for sharing... :)
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Re: What is this???
Well, the deal with this rifle is the fact that I need a rifle I can hunt with without having to put a lot of work into it and sixgun made me an offer I couldnt refuse.
It's a cool piece of history and I feel honored to own it, but I would rather have something I don't need to mess with that will put meat on the table.
I still have another project that is pretty cool, but not as odd at least. A Winchester Mod.94 in .30-30 with a factory certified manufacturing date of 1898. I will be restoring that one to make it a field gun as well eventually...
Off to a new home this goes. I just hope I can someday learn the real history behind it that makes it so cool!
It's a cool piece of history and I feel honored to own it, but I would rather have something I don't need to mess with that will put meat on the table.
I still have another project that is pretty cool, but not as odd at least. A Winchester Mod.94 in .30-30 with a factory certified manufacturing date of 1898. I will be restoring that one to make it a field gun as well eventually...
Off to a new home this goes. I just hope I can someday learn the real history behind it that makes it so cool!
Re: What is this???
This was very cool I appreciated seeing it also. Thanks
I would have to assume this was an employee built project.
Certainly It was never sold with no serial number.
I would have to assume this was an employee built project.
Certainly It was never sold with no serial number.
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Re: What is this???
Well, longrange308, I gotta admit. I don't recall a first post with this much of a mystery, nor one with such great pictures.
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Re: What is this???
How much interest and buzz this rifle generated surprised me too..
Now Im looking to get another lever gun in .30-30 that I dont mind beating up a bit while hunting for deer.. Anyone know where I can find a good deal?
Now Im looking to get another lever gun in .30-30 that I dont mind beating up a bit while hunting for deer.. Anyone know where I can find a good deal?
Re: What is this???
That must be the Marlin version of the "One Piece at a Time" Cadillac that Johnny Cash sang about.
I'd get it one piece at a time and it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round
Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56
'57, '58' 59' automobile
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Re: What is this???
Exactly what I was thinking!66GTO wrote:That must be the Marlin version of the "One Piece at a Time" Cadillac that Johnny Cash sang about.
I'd get it one piece at a time and it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round
Well, it's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56
'57, '58' 59' automobile
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Re: What is this???
I was also going to say "lunch box gun" The shape of the lever is late 40`s or very early 50`s along with the Waffle top. The little hole in the right side would have been for the loading gate screw if the gate hole had been machined in.
Possible prototype and I haven't checked but the rimless .35 rem cartridge may be a fit to that bolt face.
Possible prototype and I haven't checked but the rimless .35 rem cartridge may be a fit to that bolt face.