Buffalo Bore Heavy 30-30

[b79holmes]

So I am curious as to penetration tests for Buffalo Bore Heavy 30-30 ammo.

I usually carry their Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo - 255 gr. Keith - G.C. as a woods gun, I guess I just believe their penetration claims and am wondering if there are any real world tests.

Does anyone run skull cadaver tests to really confirm heavy penetration? On one of those TV shows a guy dropped a moose in it's tracks with B.B. 30-30 ammo but one kill isn't really a test.

Thanks,
Bill

[Pisgah]

I've seen no tests, but I'd bet my best 336 that a 190 gr. .30 caliber bullet at 2000 fps or a bit more will penetrate like nobody's business, given sufficient bullet toughness. That's right at the original .30-40 Krag and .303 British loads, and while trajectory is not the greatest, penetration is there. Plenty of moose and bear have fallen to those oldtimers.

[madman4570]

Read especially 1st and 4th articles on below link!

http://www.survivalblog.com/cgi-bin/mt5 ... 2&limit=20

That 190gr BB load would be a very formidable load in expected results with a 30-30

Would I choose it to hunt Brown Bear----no (would a lever stoked with those do the job if the shooter could)??? Sure

Would it drop in its tracks a mother brown bear bent on killing you saving her cubs------only if you could provide to correct head shot, and then I would say it would kill as good as anything else. Same with a charging man eater wanting dinner.

Would I go after a moose with that loading(if I was a good shot and knew my range limitations)--sure if I shot that gun extremely well.

Bottom line, a very well constructed .30cal 190gr bullet traveling reasonably fast(that would be in this case)like that 190gr BB will due mostly anything you need doing in NA. Any caliber gun on mad mother Griz or mad hungry papa griz with not a perfect shot-----ain;t enough gun!

Basically---do I think that 190 gr BB load coming out of a 30-30 carbine penetrate through Mr. big bears skull and hit brain for a kill at say a distance of within a football fields length ? Yes
Would I expect at same distance shooting him in the body(unless somehow with God's luck it broke his spine)stop him from a frontal shot immediately with him bearing down on you---------NO But again few would!


Want some fun??? Go to Aldi's(or similar)get some cheap hams(put a few side to side a shoot them at say 40yds(take results) then get a 30-06 180gr hunting load(do the same)---------------compare results.

[J Miller]

Not to be a wet blanket, but if I want to shoot a 190gr bullet at 2000 FPS I'll use a 308 or a 30-06.
I see no sense in beating my 94 or 336 OR my shoulder to death by shooting such heavy loads from such a light weight rifle.

JMHO

I think the 30-30 has been refined for so long it doesn't need such loads. It just needs to be used by a rifleman that can shoot accurately.

The BB heavy 30-30 load is an answer looking for a question.

JMNSHO

Joe

[Mescalero]

I'm with Joe on this one.
My body configuration a Win. 94 beats on me pretty good.

[Griff]

I'm with Joe on this one.
My body configuration a Win. 94 beats on me pretty good.

+1, why I like 150s!

[BigSky56]

Bill the use of heavy for caliber bullets has alot of logic to it consider W Bell using 160 gr 6.5 & 175 gr 7mm for elephants, then our own Arthur Savage loading a 190 gr silver tip in the 303 savage which was used from Alaska to the Rocky's for big bears moose and elk then with the decline of the 303 people loaded the 190's in the 30-30 today they are as scarce as hens teeth but occasionally are pulled from 303 cases and reloaded in 30-30. Lymans #45 has a load chart for the 190 silver tip in the 30-30, theres a reason to use a heavy bullet with big heavy bodied animals, I use a Beartooth 173 in my 30-30 it works. danny
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[KWK]

Ah, the joys of modern propellants!: 190 gn at 2100 fps from 20". I wonder if they uprated the cartridge to the more generous CIP pressure specs, or if they just crammed in the modern ball powders, or both? Three cheers to them for upgrading a 120 year old cartridge, but at over $3 per shot, I won't be experiencing it.

[tman]

I like options. If all u have is a 30-30 and u want to hunt heavy game, . $3 a shot ain't a big deal compared to a reloading outfit or a 30-06. After all, how many moose and brown bear can u shoot in a season. Like to see more. Somebody ought to load 30-30 to 32-20 levels.

[86er]

Http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... ffalo+bore

[86er]

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... ore+part+1. There's 4 parts - use the search function

[86er]

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... +3#p364183

[Mike Rintoul]

Let it be known to all who care that at the time of the testing by 86er I loaded a Hawk 170 grain bullet and called the product the "Whitetail Whacker". It was made specifically for deer and worked great for that task. Since then, I began loading the 170 grain Nosler Partition bullet in my Grizzly 30-30 at 2200 fps. Typically the actual velocity for a 20" Winchester 94 varies from 2095 fps to 2190 fps, reported by individuals in their respective rifles and carbines. This load will do a job on deer sized game and will also get the job done on any N. American game if shot placement and range are appropriate. Maybe we can get these tested to compare directly to the others at some time in the future.

[Canuck Bob]

Marlin owners had a thread on heavy Hawk 32 Special loads.

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/5 ... added.html

I settled on Speer 170 fn for my 32 Special jacketed bullet after 86er's great test series.

[Pete44ru]

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Although I find it hard to dissuade someone from trying something new, like the Buffalo Bore ammo - IMO and that of fellow board member "dimrod", the plain-vanilla .30-30 ammo will slay any Moose walking.

The search function here for dimrod's posts from Nome will reveal he's taken 21 Alaskan Moose (albeit not every one with a .30-30) - the last with a .30-30, that scored 65" (antler spread).

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... ilit=moose


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[3leggedturtle]

Pete44ru, thought you were poking fun at a member, but his handle actually is/was dimrod OH WELL it made me chuckle and look it up. In the Lyman Cast book an author; Frank Marshall Jr. was shooting a boolit that weighs over 220grs out of a 30/30 1750fps or so. He felt a 200gr cast bullet could be easily pushed to 2000fps with W760 out of a M94 with no pressure problems. With the powders today I see the 190gr at 2100fps as no problem unless your shooting with a steel buttplate. Always wanted to try it but just to many other bullets and cartridges to try. I sold my 200gr .30 cal mold. So want happen anytime soon.