Callifornia - Heads Up

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:59 am

(edit) - I do not know if this is true or not. It was sent by a friend who does not send garbage .. but it did come over the internet so it is suspect until proven ..... jimt

Tuesday, April 8, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will consider legislation that would require gun owners to obtain a "permit-to-purchase" before buying handgun ammunition. Assembly Bill 362 would require that law-abiding gun owners obtain a permit to buy handgun ammunition and would impose severe restrictions on the private transfers of handgun ammunition. Applicants for a "permit-to-purchase" would be required to submit to a background check, pay a $35 fee, and wait as long as 30 days to receive the permit. Under AB362, it would be unlawful to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require vendors to keep a record of the transaction including the ammunition buyer's name, driver's license, the quantity, caliber and type of ammunition purchased, and right thumbprint, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice or the number of his handgun ammunition purchase permit. All ammunition sales in the State of California would be subject to a $3 per transaction tax. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. Any violator of AB362 would be subject to civil fines.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquer ... B&site=sen

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:09 am

Thanks for the heads up Jim.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:13 am

I suspect it is true. I've seen this reported at least twice so far and both from different sources.

Joe

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:19 am

Wouldn't surprise me. It's a wonder they haven't done it sooner. There are other states that have ammunition purchase regulations. I don't know which ones off the top of my head but some states do require your name, driver's license number etc.

Technically, all ammunition that can be fired through a Thompson Center pistol could be classed as handgun ammunition. That would include .303 British, .30-06, .444 Marlin, .45-70, and on and on and on.

Just another day in paradise.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:42 am

AB 2062 is a Notary education bill.

http://www.nationalnotary.org/news/inde ... newsID=381

It's AB 362 and it ain't pretty, but it's not law yet. It would include rimfire ammo.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquer ... B&site=sen

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:57 am

Thank you sir .. I will amend the email ....

wm · Post by wm » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:20 am

They tried something similar here in Michigan several years back.....they never got it out of committee because they included ALL ammo and that got enough hunters involved to shout it down.

I feared then they would learn from that experience and try it again with just handgun ammo, then mil surp calibers, sniper ammo, etc until they did it with all.

Wm

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:25 am

The way I read and interpreted this bill is that it really appears to be nothing more than a way to generate revenue, not ban anything.

It's the old, "if you want it bad enough you're going to pay for the priviledge to have it."

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:43 am

jdad wrote:The way I read and interpreted this bill is that it really appears to be nothing more than a way to generate revenue, not ban anything.

It's the old, "if you want it bad enough you're going to pay for the priviledge to have it."

And what about reloaders? Will they be required to get a "Manufacturer's" license too?

The power to Tax is the Power to Destroy... and there is nothing they would like better than to destroy the shooting sports.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:17 pm

Perhaps the CA legislature just feels like they're on a roll since the Condor Lead Ban passed. Maybe they're feeling lucky and are going to roll the dice again on something even more sinister. Good luck with that over there.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:48 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
jdad wrote:"
And what about reloaders? Will they be required to get a "Manufacturer's" license too?
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Don't go giving the enemy any ideas......

donw · Post by **donw** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:12 pm

you may rest assured the california state legislature will not rest until they're legislated away all of our gun rights.

i agree with an above reply that says it's just another revenue generating mechanism.

i signed a petetion in el cajon gun exchange protesting the legislation just a few days ago.

if you're inteersted, the assemblyman who intorduced it is Kevin de leon...send him your email...i did.

95fan · Post by **95fan** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:17 pm

It seems like this keeps popping up every few years. We defeated it back in 2001 (IIRC) hopefully it will not go through now either.

MikeS. · Post by **MikeS.** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:47 pm

Like my sig line says...

otteray · Post by **otteray** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:58 pm

jdad wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
jdad wrote:"
And what about reloaders? Will they be required to get a "Manufacturer's" license too?
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Don't go giving the enemy any ideas......

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JP_TX · Post by **JP_TX** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:10 am

Just a postscript to whats been said. As a expatriot Califonian, The problem isn't with liberal legislators in Sacto. It's with the lazy non-voting, brainwashed public in CA.

Vote those rascals out of office. it is the only thing they understand.

Remember Prop 13? The property tax role back? The language in that bill said, to some effect, that the legislature could not produce new taxes without a majority, maybe even a super majority vote. This sounds like a tax increase to me. And it sounds like they are just ignoring inconvient laws to prevent them from doing as they wish.

That kind of think used to drive me crazy with I lived in CA. Living in TX now and I haven't been back to see the only thing I miss, the beautiful blue Pacific, since 1994.

I miss it but I can live without the ocean and the aggravation of masochistic citizens bent on socialism, that goes with it.

JP

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:19 am

JP_TX wrote: The problem isn't with liberal legislators in Sacto. It's with the lazy non-voting, brainwashed public in CA.

Well I hate to disagree, but the problem is, guns owners are a very small percentage of california citizens. Hunters are at less than ten percent of the pop and gun owners in general are about 15%.

No way can 15% "vote em out" especially when these power grabbing morons have alined their districts so they run virtually unchallenged. There are bills in the works and things trying to go to ballot that will solve THAT problem, but we are still a very small minority.

All the libs in Sacramento have to do is convince each other it's "for our good" and they vote it in.

Right now, our only power is getting our voice out in the open and make ourselves heard to convince enough people about the truth about guns and gun owners.

Bis · Post by **Bis** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:35 am

I think that is why most of the people born and raised in Ca. and remember how good it use to be are now moving out. I am in the same boat as LP_TX. Been living in Texas for 7 years now and loving it.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:45 am

Let them pass the law.

It will create a booming new black market in illegal ammo sales. A new Gold Rush.

It is time for the People of California to reclaim their freedom.

Tell your legislators and their thugs to go to hell.

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:03 pm

I agree with most of the previous posts, but please remember that California is run by the big three; Los angeles, San Francisco and Sacramento. There are still a LOT of people living there that aren't liberal, anti-gun/hunting or gay.

I too, soon to be FROM CA! Retiring is summer of '08.