Oregon school shooting

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:20 pm

We have an incident under way today in Troutdale, near Portland. At least one dead. Where does this anger and resentment come from? Dear Lord, please heal our nation from this kind of hatred.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:04 pm

Sad. We've created a nation of spoiled 'kids' (of all ages) who throw tantrums whenever they don't get everything they want or things don't go their way.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:16 pm

We have a dead victim and a dead shooter. No word on wounded.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:28 pm

I see the ATF rapidly moved in and took over the investigation....Now, why does that bother me? Are they afraid of what a real investigation would reveal? Is this one another false flag?

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:53 pm

Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:03 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.

I just don't know....Except, I know I don't trust our Federales..

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:09 pm

Blaine, amigo, we have all gotten leery. The NSA is likely taking notes on this thread as we speak. It is down right anti-American.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:11 pm

The NSA can tweet on "this"

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:49 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.
I just don't know....Except, I know I don't trust our Federales..

Unless they are prosecuting "drug crime"?

Never forget, Drugs or Guns, it's all the same to them...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:41 am

Old Ironsights wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.
I just don't know....Except, I know I don't trust our Federales..
Unless they are prosecuting "drug crime"?

Never forget, Drugs or Guns, it's all the same to them...

Don't you EVER get tired of straw men, and red herrings? You're full of it, and can't prove that except in your paranoid mind....

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:27 am

I see. Being worried about one sort of demonsterable Federal LE overreach is OK, but being worried about another sort of demonsterable Federal LE overreach (or, rather, all types of Federal LE overreach that use the same tactics) is paranoia.

Got it.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:19 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:... Where does this anger and resentment come from? Dear Lord, please heal our nation from this kind of hatred.

it all started with Bonnie & Clyde then Dirty Harry

before that, the good guys modeled restraint, respected authority, and used their weapons as last resort.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:58 am

the simple fact is that active shooters are going to the slaughterhouses to kill defenseless victims for their own perversions. all "gun-free-zones" are slaughterhouses created by the politicians, they own it and they need to be held accountable for it. well, they will, eventually.

take God, Jesus, prayer and the commandments out of the slaughterhouses and what would anyone expect to happen? make a vaccuum and the wickedness will fill it if it can. it's simple unrestrained human nature acting out.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:43 am

Grizz wrote:the simple fact is that active shooters are going to the slaughterhouses to kill defenseless victims for their own perversions. all "gun-free-zones" are slaughterhouses created by the politicians, they own it and they need to be held accountable for it. well, they will, eventually. take God, Jesus, prayer and the commandments out of the slaughterhouses and what would anyone expect to happen? make a vaccuum and the wickedness will fill it if it can. it's simple unrestrained human nature acting out.

Yep.

Old Ironsights wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.
I just don't know....Except, I know I don't trust our Federales..
Unless they are prosecuting "drug crime"? Never forget, Drugs or Guns, it's all the same to them...

I was SO gonna say the same thing...

BlaineG wrote:Don't you EVER get tired of straw men, and red herrings? You're full of it, and can't prove that except in your paranoid mind....

...but I SO knew he still just wouldn't get it, so I didn't bother...

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:48 am

They are ramping up the violence. We'll see more of this as the 2016 elections get closer.

Joe

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:55 am

J Miller wrote:They are ramping up the violence. We'll see more of this as the 2016 elections get closer.

Joe

Proof that you can still say anything in America. The second amendment may be in trouble, but the first is not.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:15 am

BrentD wrote:
J Miller wrote:They are ramping up the violence. We'll see more of this as the 2016 elections get closer.
Joe
Proof that you can still say anything in America. The second amendment may be in trouble, but the first is not.

Only until the 2nd is out of the way! Then it'll be hell to get either back.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:55 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Grizz wrote:the simple fact is that active shooters are going to the slaughterhouses to kill defenseless victims for their own perversions. all "gun-free-zones" are slaughterhouses created by the politicians, they own it and they need to be held accountable for it. well, they will, eventually. take God, Jesus, prayer and the commandments out of the slaughterhouses and what would anyone expect to happen? make a vaccuum and the wickedness will fill it if it can. it's simple unrestrained human nature acting out.
Yep.

Old Ironsights wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, it does seem odd. I wonder what the protocol is that would allow them to take the lead.
I just don't know....Except, I know I don't trust our Federales..
Unless they are prosecuting "drug crime"? Never forget, Drugs or Guns, it's all the same to them...
I was SO gonna say the same thing...

BlaineG wrote:Don't you EVER get tired of straw men, and red herrings? You're full of it, and can't prove that except in your paranoid mind....
...but I SO knew he still just wouldn't get it, so I didn't bother...

If the Doc thing don't work out, you have a wonderful writing career waiting at The Duffle Blog....

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:57 am

Old Ironsights wrote:I see. Being worried about one sort of demonsterable Federal LE overreach is OK, but being worried about another sort of demonsterable Federal LE overreach (or, rather, all types of Federal LE overreach that use the same tactics) is paranoia.

Got it.

I'm worried, but not anal to the point of distraction from reality.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:57 pm

Victim, a 14-year-old freshman; shooter, a 15-year-old freshman with an AR he got from the gun safe at home. Why, oh why? Victim was apparently a random target.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:16 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Victim, a 14-year-old freshman; shooter, a 15-year-old freshman with an AR he got from the gun safe at home. Why, oh why? Victim was apparently a random target.

Any word of a tox screen?

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:18 pm

Blaine, autopsies on these two kids tomorrow.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:27 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, autopsies on these two kids tomorrow.

Seems like most of these murderous kids have been on some sort of anti-depressant.....Kids are depressed these days? I wonder why? They have SO much more material stuff. But, they are being raised by the Hippy Generation, and feel entitled to everything.

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:56 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, autopsies on these two kids tomorrow.

Seems like most of these murderous kids have been on some sort of anti-depressant.....Kids are depressed these days? I wonder why? They have SO much more material stuff. But, they are being raised by the Hippy Generation, and feel entitled to everything.

sweeping generalizations like that are no better than the ones the antis spew. There are a whole bunch of perfectly fine kids out there too. Raised by hippies (who the hell is a hippie today anyway?) too.

There are simply a whole bunch of people - 300 MILLION of them - so there are bound to be a few bad apples no matter what anyone does.

I bet there are a number of people on this website, good people, who might have been hippies (by whatever definition you choose to use) and have perfectly fine kids. I bet there are some more super conservatives that have whacked out kids on anti-depressants. Let's try to recognize that for every complex problem there are plenty of simple and concise solutions that are just flat dead wrong. Then maybe we can get on with making some progress.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:15 pm

BrentD wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, autopsies on these two kids tomorrow.

Seems like most of these murderous kids have been on some sort of anti-depressant.....Kids are depressed these days? I wonder why? They have SO much more material stuff. But, they are being raised by the Hippy Generation, and feel entitled to everything.
sweeping generalizations like that are no better than the ones the antis spew. There are a whole bunch of perfectly fine kids out there too. Raised by hippies (who the hell is a hippie today anyway?) too.

There are simply a whole bunch of people - 300 MILLION of them - so there are bound to be a few bad apples no matter what anyone does.

I bet there are a number of people on this website, good people, who might have been hippies (by whatever definition you choose to use) and have perfectly fine kids. I bet there are some more super conservatives that have whacked out kids on anti-depressants. Let's try to recognize that for every complex problem there are plenty of simple and concise solutions that are just flat dead wrong. Then maybe we can get on with making some progress.

This "hippy" generation are the grandparents of today. They're 60-70 year olds... they ain't raising teenagers. These are frustrated kids, have no communication skills and/or unable to communicate. Either their parents don't listen, no grandparent to "mentor" them while their parents are off, busy trying to provide a decent place to live and "stuff", which is interpreted as "not-caring"... Kids that are ripe for indoctrination... just lacking the 3rd Reich to provide an outlet! So, they have the X-Box, Nitendo or PS... lots of violent solutions for perceived problems...

Leastways... that's my theory.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:18 pm

BrentD wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, autopsies on these two kids tomorrow.

Seems like most of these murderous kids have been on some sort of anti-depressant.....Kids are depressed these days? I wonder why? They have SO much more material stuff. But, they are being raised by the Hippy Generation, and feel entitled to everything.
sweeping generalizations like that are no better than the ones the antis spew. There are a whole bunch of perfectly fine kids out there too. Raised by hippies (who the hell is a hippie today anyway?) too.

There are simply a whole bunch of people - 300 MILLION of them - so there are bound to be a few bad apples no matter what anyone does.

I bet there are a number of people on this website, good people, who might have been hippies (by whatever definition you choose to use) and have perfectly fine kids. I bet there are some more super conservatives that have whacked out kids on anti-depressants. Let's try to recognize that for every complex problem there are plenty of simple and concise solutions that are just flat dead wrong. Then maybe we can get on with making some progress.

DoYou have a remedy for all this?

Perhaps this is too general, and simple in nature, but I believe that the former Hippies that have great kids didn't stay hippies after their first baby, and house payment. Did you know that (I believe) all the mass shooters have been liberals/socialists, or, in the case of the two loonies in LV that shot the cops, White Supreamists, IOWs Neo-Nazi, IOWs National Socialists? This could be a good discussion if you don't get emotional about it

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:54 pm

You are being as ridiculous as an anti.

There will never come a time when nutcases won't exist, where innocent people won't be killed by them. There never has been, never will be. Learning to live with it w/o condemning every fricken' person who isn't a carbon copy of you is a start to learning to cope with the facts of the real world.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:04 pm

BrentD wrote:You are being as ridiculous as an anti.

There will never come a time when nutcases won't exist, where innocent people won't be killed by them. There never has been, never will be. Learning to live with it w/o condemning every fricken' person who isn't a carbon copy of you is a start to learning to cope with the facts of the real world.

Oh, well....

So much for civilized discourse. Sorry, I won't attend this one, either.....

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:18 pm

Perhaps this is too general, and simple in nature, but I believe that the former Hippies that have great kids didn't stay hippies after their first baby, and house payment. Did you know that (I believe) all the mass shooters have been liberals/socialists, or, in the case of the two loonies in LV that shot the cops, White Supreamists, IOWs Neo-Nazi, IOWs National Socialists? This could be a good discussion if you don't get emotional about it

There isn't a whole lot of difference between psycho-anarchists, and psycho-statists - the key word is 'psycho'. The ONLY way to deal with the inevitability of rain isn't to "outlaw rain", but to quit making anyone who carries an umbrella somehow a 'bad guy'.

BrentD · Post by **BrentD** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:27 pm

Or everyone who was a hippie or takes an anti-depressant

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:06 pm

BrentD wrote:Or everyone who was a hippie or takes an anti-depressant

Yep. We have an entire group of people (politicians) who now thrive on making different groups of citizens out as 'bad guys', and blaming the problems their (the politicians) counterproductive public policies have created or worsened. They keep getting re-elected by positioning other groups as 'good guys', and directing money or special privileges to them in exchange for votes.

None of this is new; it's been the way of governments and citizens for many centuries - the only 'new' thing is that this nation had come close to shrugging off that crushing and corrupt nonsense, and started to thrive economically and culturally. Unfortunately, we're sliding back into the same rotten ways that so many other nations are stuck in.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:34 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:We have an incident under way today in Troutdale, near Portland. At least one dead. Where does this anger and resentment come from? Dear Lord, please heal our nation from this kind of hatred.

Amen.

Step one is not banning guns. It is to stop publizing these immoral acts. These cretins crave the attention. Once it is denied, the cowards (almost all of them shoot themselves rather than face armed opponents or answer for their crimes) will go do something else...

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:43 am

As in past incidents, the media outlets are all foamed up over the gun, the extra magazines, ad nauseum. It seems once again, the media focus is on the how, which is easy, and diverts attention from the much more meaningful -- and difficult -- question of why. Answering the latter question will get us to the heart of identifying and preventing such tragedies; answering the former question won't, without significant damage to civil liberties.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:49 am

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AFAIK, in almost every "incident", some one "knew"............... either a family member, a neighbor, a schoolmate or a co-worker - and said not one word to authorities about there being "something not right" about whomever.

The other side of the coin is, of course, privacy concerns - which often (not always) deters authorities from acting until after whatever dirty deed/plan is carried out.

IMO, one of the first steps is legislation that mandates the placement of an individual with determined mental health issues into NCIC.

The core issue with that is getting someone into treatment, especiall if the "not right" individual is someone old enough not to be covered under a family's health plan (for psycho-analysis/treatment), but doesn't yet have their own coverage.

The problem is that many folks believe in the stigma of mental illness, and will not accept that a close friend or family member needs mental health treatment - then actualy following through with getting treatment for the individual.
Maybe they're too proud, and feeling they'd be tarnished by anyone knowing about the situation.

The stigma issue certainly isn't eased by the huge & non-chalant application, everywhere, of statements & jokes poking fun at someone's mental health. (like the response: "Are you crazy ?)

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Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:20 pm

The problem with placing "every person with determined mental health issues into the NICS/NCIC" is that, by existing law & precident, doing so would terminate RKBA for every member of that person's household. As soon as one person is made a "prohibited person" then NO ONE in that household is "allowed" to "possess" either a firearm OR ammunition. Not one round.

Given the absolute number of people with "determined mental health issues" in the US it would be the end of RKBA.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:23 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:The problem with placing "every person with determined mental health issues into the NICS/NCIC" is that, by existing law & precident, doing so would terminate RKBA for every member of that person's household. As soon as one person is made a "prohibited person" then NO ONE in that household is "allowed" to "possess" either a firearm OR ammunition. Not one round.

Given the absolute number of people with "determined mental health issues" in the US it would be the end of RKBA.

Exactly. In most cases, it's not adjudicated....just a phone call from the VA, or Doc....Of course, a lot of those kids are self medicating with illegal drugs....Imagine that!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:30 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:The problem with placing "every person with determined mental health issues into the NICS/NCIC" is that, by existing law & precident, doing so would terminate RKBA for every member of that person's household. As soon as one person is made a "prohibited person" then NO ONE in that household is "allowed" to "possess" either a firearm OR ammunition. Not one round.

Given the absolute number of people with "determined mental health issues" in the US it would be the end of RKBA.

Yes, and many, many vindictive calls are made from ex-spouses, former employees, and so on, 'turning-in' folks to Child Protective Services, or other Government Agencies - so there is a huge potential for abuse and over-reaction, as well...

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:49 pm

here ya go, they are actually going to try to institutionalize the rat out your neighbor policy:

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/ ... m_06092014

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:34 pm

BlaineG wrote: Seems like most of these murderous kids have been on some sort of anti-depressant.....Kids are depressed these days? I wonder why? They have SO much more material stuff. But, they are being raised by the Hippy Generation, and feel entitled to everything.

Also, a lot of these kids are not in need of medication, but it has become popular to medicate kids for any number of issues (usually behavioral) that should be handled with other methods. Those methods require work, though, on the part of parents.

There is a big industry around medicating children. I just read about how a pharmaceutical company just diagnosed a previously undiagnosed disorder that they say will be the "new ADD" in kids. Of course, they have already developed a medication for it.

It also is very popular with some parents to have their children diagnosed with certain things - almost a keeping up with the Jonses thing, I guess, or maybe an attention thing. It is super popular now for parents to have their kids diagnosed with certain allergies, gluten intolerance, etc. Many kids who ADD and depression are also popular, with parents pushing for a diagnosis.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:37 pm

BlaineG wrote:I see the ATF rapidly moved in and took over the investigation....Now, why does that bother me? Are they afraid of what a real investigation would reveal? Is this one another false flag?

Makes me wonder if the firearm that is reported as used in the crime is actually the one used? The ATFE and other agencies do have a history of slight-of-hand when it comes to firearms.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:38 pm

BrentD wrote: Proof that you can still say anything in America. The second amendment may be in trouble, but the first is not.

First is in trouble, too, on many fronts.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:26 pm

7.62 Precision wrote:There is a big industry around medicating children. I just read about how a pharmaceutical company just diagnosed a previously undiagnosed disorder that they say will be the "new ADD" in kids. Of course, they have already developed a medication for it.

Yep. The business-strategy these days is to develop a 'cure', then convince people there is a 'problem' - same thing the legislators do...

plowboy 45 · Post by **plowboy 45** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:56 pm

A D D
ABSENCES OF DADDY'S AND DISCIPLINE

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:54 pm

plowboy 45 wrote:A D D
ABSENCES OF DADDY'S AND DISCIPLINE

Spoken by someone who understands a real disorder!

What an idiotic comment! I've had to deal with ADD my entire life, is it really true if my father had beaten me I wouldn't have had to deal with the frustration and heartbreak?
I certainly would have preferred a beating but my dad is an intelligent educated man and would have never beaten me simply because I couldn't concentrate for more than a few minutes on any specific concept. Yet I've been able to get into my forties, a very productive member of society, make a pile of money, pay taxes ( a LOT), have a family and start on a new career that I've dreamed about in my not
so focused ways that will allow me to retire before I'm 50.
So I ask you, how much better off would I be if my Daddy had disciplined me better?
By the way, I also have a degree in Psychology, I think I know what I talking about.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:51 pm

....I may be wrong, but I think plowboy 45 just meant Absence of Daddy's and Discipline, and not necessarily "Attention Deficit Disorder"... as in all our [tax-incentivized] "Single Parent Households" where the kid is raised by [government-funded] daycare or grandma, due to the absence of Dad (who is likely in a [taxpayer-funded] jail or has a [government-subsidized] job as a drug dealer) while Mom is out still being a kid herself (best case scenario), or more likely partying, doing drugs, and/or making more [government-subsidized] babies.

He'll have to chime in and say for sure, but I didn't think he was referring to 'attention' issues, nor implying that they could be 'beaten out of a kid' as some claim.

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 5:06 am

plowboy 45 wrote:A D D
ABSENCES OF DADDY'S AND DISCIPLINE

Amen to that. After working in the education field for twenty years and the last half in special needs and substance abuse affected that is pretty much a huge commonality in the problems behaviors I have seen.

One thing to bear in mind that a certain number of people out of the given population will be born with a mental disease. There is no way around it. In the past, those people were involuntarily committed thus they more or less did not pose as much of a threat to society at large. But outside of that fact is that one of the biggest issues is how the traditional family has fractured in the last two generations.

In working with the troubled youth of today I see the following trends.

1. No faith or religious base. I noticed that many of the boys I work with have little to no experience that is positive regarding God. In fact it seems that a number are very anti-faith. A case in point. I conducted a group on your higher power. It is concept in recovery from addiction that basically states that there is something bigger than you such as God or possibly nature if you tend to lean towards agnosticism. Well the whole house was in an uproar because some of these kids believed we were teaching them about religion.

2. "Dad" is not in the picture. As it was beautifully pointed out there is no positive male father figure in many of the cases. It seems that when there isn't a Dad around Junior can run wild like a bobcat and there is some significant reasons behind this. I know I will pee off some with my statements but it is a simple fact. Many single mothers view their child as a source of love and you don't discipline or punish your source of love. I can't state that is in all cases but I will state that maybe one out of twenty boys I work with have both mom and dad at home together.

3. A subculture of tolerance. I see a very bad trend in the field today. It seems that there is a belief in what you can call differential reinforcement. You ignore the bad and praise the good. This is a bankrupt system of behavior modification that failed yet some are still using it. So in effect you don't really have meaningful change with troubled youth.

4. Popular culture. In the last generation with the increase in hip hop music there has been a glorification of drug use, illicit sex and violence. When a person, especially a teen, listens to a constant barrage of music the messages become imprinted on the mind. It doesn't take long for it to become observable behavior.

5. Electronic entertainment. As stated wisely by others the growth of violent and realistic video games have had the same effect on the mind as the music. I believe it was Col Dave Hackworth who wrote an excellent article on how these games have distorted the reality of many young people.

Well. I am off my soap box for a while. I have to go to work now.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:18 am

bigbore442001 wrote:Well. I am off my soap box for a while. I have to go to work now.

6. Not enough people doing that.

plowboy 45 · Post by **plowboy 45** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:15 pm

2ndonvc
I'm truly sorry I offended you.
This was meant as doc stated.
Bigbore seems to have proof the way I meant it.
Don't know where ADD was when I was a kid, but I do know where it was not ,at my daddys house.
Congregations on retireing at 50, I retired at 48, but I missed out on the money part.
AGAIN MY SINCEREST APOLOGY.

PLOWBOY

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:10 am

AJMD429 wrote:
bigbore442001 wrote:Well. I am off my soap box for a while. I have to go to work now.
6. Not enough people doing that.

Why work when in the state of Rhode Island if you can qualify for all twelve entitlement programs you can get over 45,000 dollars a year sitting on your duff in an easy chair?

Sorry to pick on the Ocean State but a family friend and I were chatting about that the other day. He owns his own business as a contractor and informed me about that little problem.

Yeah. Work is another issue. The work ethic in many could be classes as non existent. We now have multi generational welfare families. They don't work because I honestly believe they don't know how. They are a permanent dependent underclass who have been given many entitlements and the only thing that accomplished is breed a resentment of the hand that feeds them.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:10 am

I heard an interesting comment on this topic yesterday, on public radio of all places. The guy is a reporter for Bloomberg News (we know where that bias lies), but he said that thanks to the media and the Internet, every deeply disturbed young man in America now has a template for how to destroy themselves and others ...