win 94 ae 444

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:04 pm

i bought a win mod 94 ae with the ported barrel chambered in the 444 with i think is an 17 1/2 or 18 in barrel.how many of these guns were made and for how long?

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:13 pm

Here is the pic and before you laugh at the scope rings i have already done away with them.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:19 pm

Can't say for sure as to what the total was produced, but I can account for five of 'em. Your's and my four:

The one w/tag, the one next to it, and the two bottom boxes on the floor.

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:28 pm

wow i thought i was lucky to get one! you have four!how do these things shoot?mine is in like new condition and has never been hunted with it came with a box of shells with one missing id say that is the only one ever shot through it i paid $375.00

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:34 pm

i dont think win made very many of these because they are not even listed under there discontinued firearms on there site.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:46 pm

I know of a black shadow 444 in Kent England but I don't want to think about it ok

Nath.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:40 pm

Is the 444 the same caliber as the 44mag?
Always wanted one of those!

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:25 pm

yes it is the same caliber bullet with much more power.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:41 pm

I have a NIB 444 timber carbine, ported with (I think) 16 1/2 inch barrel. Mine is the crossbolt model which was a 9 month run.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:45 pm

Well now we know they made six of 'em!

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:02 pm

buckeyeshooter wrote:I have a NIB 444 timber carbine, ported with (I think) 16 1/2 inch barrel. Mine is the crossbolt model which was a 9 month run.

yes i had heard they made them for about one year how long have you had it?

Big Bore 94 · Post by **Big Bore 94** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:24 pm

I have a Winchester 94 AE BB 444 Marlin Timber carbine. So that is at least seven in the universe.

2row · Post by **2row** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:02 pm

Mine is the 94BB ae wish I could find another one.

Post by **Old Savage** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:06 pm

I have the regular model with the coveted cross bolt safety.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:22 am

i have the 20" 94 bb . 444.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:26 am

Old Savage wrote:I have the regular model with the coveted cross bolt safety.

Nicely put. Sounds like a GunsAmerika ad.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:50 pm

I bought it when Winchester went under, it was sitting in a country gunshop for years--- it was late 1998 production (if memory serves). I got it dirt cheap.

big bear · Post by **big bear** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:10 pm

Arghhh! You guys are terible. You all have one or more of a rifle (Mosel 94 in 444) I hadn't even thoughtof. Luckily (for a change) I came up with several good reasons not to buy one. Now watch, in the next few weeks I'll come accross a nearly new one for a very good price and now I'll know what a great deal it is. Now I see why I'm beginning to really dislike this place

Big Bore 94 · Post by **Big Bore 94** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:04 pm

It appears Winchesters in 444 are few and far between. The 17 1/2 " version looses 200-400 FPS.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:14 pm

Rim - I like to have all the variations and I think I do. Except, I had a 59 but gave it away.

allen1980 · Post by **allen1980** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:34 pm

Big Bore 94 wrote:It appears Winchesters in 444 are few and far between. The 17 1/2 " version looses 200-400 FPS.

i dont know but 200-400 fps seems a bit extreme its only 2-1/2 inches shorter than the 20

brucew44guns · Post by **brucew44guns** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:05 pm

If anyone runs across a Marlin 444 "Outfitter" in decent shape, give a yell if you don't want it. I've been looking, I was not interested when you could just order one and buy it. But now it's gnawing at me. Quite similar to a Guide gun, if memory serves me. Bruce

Big Bore 94 · Post by **Big Bore 94** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:25 pm

Read Lyman #48. They (Ideal & Lyman) have published quite a few reloading manuals over the years, decades and centuries. In the #48 they used a Winchester Timber Carbine in testing. All the porting may add to the problem. Other manuals use barrels as long as 24 inches. That is a lot of powder to burn in a short barrel. But it is still a fantastic whacker even in this lightweight and compact configuration! Get two and enjoy!

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:28 am

[Is the 444 the same caliber as the 44mag?]
[yes it is the same caliber bullet with much more power.]

Er......... Yes, and No. The .44 Mag and the .444 have identical bore diameters, and use bullets of the same diameter, but the .444 is a much longer cased, more powerful cartridge - and, No, the .44 Mag should not be fired in a .444 chamber like a .38 Special can be in a .357 Magnum.

Winchester only made three models in .444 - first the walnut-stocked, straight-grip, 20" barrel BigBore (BB94) carbine, then the walnut-stocked, pistol-gripped, 17 1/2" bbl Timber Carbine, and the synthetic, pistol-gripped Black Shadow (I forget that one's barrel length, as that one I never owned).

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:24 pm

.444 Black Shadow:

LET-CA · Post by **LET-CA** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:21 pm

Mine has the "optional sound system" (ported barrel)! It's a great firearm. The only change I made was to mount a LimbSaver recoil pad to tame the considerable recoil from high power loads. My local gunshop had two of them a couple of months before Winchester announced their closing. I bought one and went back for the other but someone else grabbed it up. Mine wears a aperature sight and is great fun to shoot. I cast my own bullets, 245 to 330 grains. My favorite bullet is 265 grains from a custom mould made by Lee.

victor · Post by **victor** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:09 pm

For anybody who wants to handload for this beast,Old Ironsights has a set of
rcbs .444 dies up for grabs at the pay it forward thread over on the classified side.

win 94 ae 444

win 94 ae 444

444 Marlin Outfitter

Timber Carbine