Largest usable outdoor knife?
Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Largest usable outdoor knife?
And for this topic lets forget about chopping wood.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I like a 3.5 to 4" blade. Anything larger and I go to a machete.
If you're gonna be stupid ya gotta be tough-
Isiah 55:8&9
It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
Isiah 55:8&9
It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
- gamekeeper
- Spambot Zapper
- Posts: 17463
- Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm
- Location: Over the pond unfortunately.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
My most used knives have 4" blades but a 5" blade can also be fine. I suppose larger blades can be useful if you need to build a shelter or bump into Sasquatch in the woods.
From an old post:
[quote="gamekeeper"]The weekend I decided to swop some large knives I no longer use for something more handy. I looked at several but this one seemed to fit my hand and I like Scandinavian knives so I choose this Helle triple laminated stainless blade with Curly Birch and Reindeer Antler handle. Sorry for poor photo, please see video below.
Interesting short video on how they are made.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... XfcFdW7Sj-
From an old post:
[quote="gamekeeper"]The weekend I decided to swop some large knives I no longer use for something more handy. I looked at several but this one seemed to fit my hand and I like Scandinavian knives so I choose this Helle triple laminated stainless blade with Curly Birch and Reindeer Antler handle. Sorry for poor photo, please see video below.
Interesting short video on how they are made.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... XfcFdW7Sj-
Whatever you do always give 100%........... unless you are donating blood.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I've used many different knives to dress and bone deer, from 2 1/2 " folders to 5+" fixed blades, some custom made.
I've long decided a 3 1/2" to 4" fixed thin blade knife is the best of all worlds.
I recently discovered Mora carbon steel knives, they are about 3 1/2"+, have a thin blade, and are very sharp and easy to resharpen, they're also under $15,
I skin, debone, go through joints with these knives, they do the job, and they don't need babying, plus if you lose it, it was like 12 bucks. If your going to make shelters, bring an ax or machete, but use a knife for knife stuff.
YMMV
I've long decided a 3 1/2" to 4" fixed thin blade knife is the best of all worlds.
I recently discovered Mora carbon steel knives, they are about 3 1/2"+, have a thin blade, and are very sharp and easy to resharpen, they're also under $15,
I skin, debone, go through joints with these knives, they do the job, and they don't need babying, plus if you lose it, it was like 12 bucks. If your going to make shelters, bring an ax or machete, but use a knife for knife stuff.
YMMV
- Sixgun
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 18735
- Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:17 pm
- Location: S.E. Pa. Where The Finest Winchesters & Colts Reside
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Standard sized Leatherman. It goes into my pocket before my money.-----6
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
.
I like a good-sized Camp Knife with a 6"-6-1/2" blade for most camping chores short of chopping wood.
I have several hand-made knives with 3-1/2"-4" fixed blades that I rotate between when used deer hunting.
.
I like a good-sized Camp Knife with a 6"-6-1/2" blade for most camping chores short of chopping wood.
I have several hand-made knives with 3-1/2"-4" fixed blades that I rotate between when used deer hunting.
.
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9068
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:05 am
- Location: Sweetwater, TX
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Gamekeeper, I am a fan of the puuko-style knives as well. I have a Lapp puuko by Iisakki Järvenpää that I got from Ragweed Forge. It is one tough knife.
https://www.ragweedforge.com/FinnishKnifeCatalog.html
https://www.ragweedforge.com/FinnishKnifeCatalog.html
- gamekeeper
- Spambot Zapper
- Posts: 17463
- Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm
- Location: Over the pond unfortunately.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Bill, I have a couple of knives in the puukko-style, they have served me well and are always razor sharp.Bill in Oregon wrote:Gamekeeper, I am a fan of the puuko-style knives as well. I have a Lapp puuko by Iisakki Järvenpää that I got from Ragweed Forge. It is one tough knife.
https://www.ragweedforge.com/FinnishKnifeCatalog.html
Whatever you do always give 100%........... unless you are donating blood.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
One does not need much knife to dress out a deer IF you have something that will get thru the pelvis. (I snapped a Buck fixed blade by jamming it into the pelvis, and twisting/bending).
I've been taking out an Old Timer 5" fixed that has the green rubber handle. It's easy to hold on to, and has a gut hook that I like. I usually have a very small saw for stuff, too.....
I've been taking out an Old Timer 5" fixed that has the green rubber handle. It's easy to hold on to, and has a gut hook that I like. I usually have a very small saw for stuff, too.....
The Rotten Fruit Always Hits The Ground First
Proud Life Member Of:
NRA
Second Amendment Foundation
Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
DAV
Proud Life Member Of:
NRA
Second Amendment Foundation
Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
DAV
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Real nice. Too nice for me - I'd be afraid to use them!
The 5" blade on my Randall lookalike (that I want to put my own handle on - too small!) has been ok. Any longer than that would be cumbersome to me for general camp stuff.
The 5" blade on my Randall lookalike (that I want to put my own handle on - too small!) has been ok. Any longer than that would be cumbersome to me for general camp stuff.
My first child - '94 30-30
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Generally no more than 5". Though I admit I keep a larger fixed blades in my Jeep, but it rarely gets taken out. I find that a smaller folder is used more often than the fixed blade. I have a Buck Titanium hunter that I've become very fond of.
I've been starting to use this one lately. This is new.
I've been starting to use this one lately. This is new.
Jeepnik AKA "Old Eyes"
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
- Streetstar
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3916
- Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:58 am
- Location: from what used to be Moore OK
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Last deer I butchered, I used a cheap Ryobi cordless reciprocating saw for that task (pelvis)BlaineG wrote:One does not need much knife to dress out a deer IF you have something that will get thru the pelvis. (I snapped a Buck fixed blade by jamming it into the pelvis, and twisting/bending).
I've been taking out an Old Timer 5" fixed that has the green rubber handle. It's easy to hold on to, and has a gut hook that I like. I usually have a very small saw for stuff, too.....
I use a bigger knife like that quite a bit around the campsite (usually an old K-BAr, or my old leather handle issue survival knife ) --- but just like yourself , no bigger than 3-4" for hunting in generalPete44ru wrote:.
I like a good-sized Camp Knife with a 6"-6-1/2" blade for most camping chores short of chopping wood.
I have several hand-made knives with 3-1/2"-4" fixed blades that I rotate between when used deer hunting.
.
----- Doug
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
BlaineG wrote:
One does not need much knife to dress out a deer IF you have something that will get thru the pelvis. (I snapped a Buck fixed blade by jamming it into the pelvis, and twisting/bending).
I've had great luck with splitting the pelvis bone of deer via holding the blade parallel to the spine & tight to the bone, then giving the back/spine of the blade a solid thump or two with the side of my fist - actually pounding the blade through the bone.
The only blade I damaged using that method was also a Buck, with a Pakkawood handle that split in my hand from the force of my fist thump.
.
- Ysabel Kid
- Moderator
- Posts: 27910
- Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:10 pm
- Location: South Carolina, USA
- Contact:
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Well, I know that when my bowie knives get over 12" long, they get a bit unwieldy...
-
- Shootist
- Posts: 1682
- Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:46 pm
- Location: BLACK HILLS, DAKOTA TERRITORY
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
SINCE you asked for the " largest " usable out door knife I will nominate my CS Trailmasters which are amazing blades. For a hunting knife though I prefer a 5" blade to all others 'cause I can !
And so it goes...
And so it goes...
RIDE, SHOOT STRAIGHT, AND SPEAK THE TRUTH
- marlinman93
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 6494
- Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:40 pm
- Location: Oregon
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I don't care for anything over 5" blade in a field knife that I will be field dressing game with. I really prefer a 3.5"-4" blade above all others, as it's easier to use when reaching up into the chest cavity of deer or elk. A longer blade is a hindrance for this work to me.
Pre WWI Marlins and Singleshot rifles!
http://members.tripod.com/~OregonArmsCollectors/
http://members.tripod.com/~OregonArmsCollectors/
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
trail hawk by cold steel. for pelvis . looks like $25 if you shop.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
The little saw blade on a LEATHERMAN works really well to saw thru the chest and pelvic bone. I like the BUCK GENERAL with it's 7"blade to reach down and carve out the intestines and organs, close to the body cavity.
- Griff
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 20869
- Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm
- Location: OH MY GAWD they installed a STOP light!!!
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I normally have at least 3 knives for camping... which includes my 6-½" Blackjack (Randall knockoff), a 3-½" Browning drop point for skinning & my 3" Kershaw pocketknife. An axe is for wood and the pelvis...
But, for cooking, I like some other, larger knives, depending on what's for supper! And that includes when camping.
But, for cooking, I like some other, larger knives, depending on what's for supper! And that includes when camping.
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
..
Did someone mention the CS (Cold Steel) Trailmaster ?
.
Did someone mention the CS (Cold Steel) Trailmaster ?
.
- Canuck Bob
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1830
- Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:57 am
- Location: Calgary, Canada
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
http://www.grohmannknives.com/images/agrohmannr3sa.jpg
This Canadian Jump Knife with its short blade. When hunting from a backpack I carried an extra Buck Full Size Sheath knike. I got tired of lugging it around and settled for an Estwing Leather Handle Hatchet. I was brought up to never go into the bush without an ax.
My pocket knife has been a locking Swiss Army Alpiner. I carried a Gerber nasty looking tactical styled folder gifted to me for my 60th from a dear friend. It was just too tough looking, much tougher than me. It lives in my Jeep console and I am happy it is there when I venture on bush roads and some neighbourhoods.
This Canadian Jump Knife with its short blade. When hunting from a backpack I carried an extra Buck Full Size Sheath knike. I got tired of lugging it around and settled for an Estwing Leather Handle Hatchet. I was brought up to never go into the bush without an ax.
My pocket knife has been a locking Swiss Army Alpiner. I carried a Gerber nasty looking tactical styled folder gifted to me for my 60th from a dear friend. It was just too tough looking, much tougher than me. It lives in my Jeep console and I am happy it is there when I venture on bush roads and some neighbourhoods.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I think that is the Canadian Air Force knife.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
.
That knife is the classic Russell pattern.
.
That knife is the classic Russell pattern.
.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
On the short end, these two Case knives appear to be different interpretations of the same knife. The lower black one is about what I have used to gut deer/antelope and skin them.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 368
- Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:05 pm
- Location: Danville, Va
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I have been using a Buck Vanguard more than anything. The blade is 4 3/4".
The Lord Bless You
Terry
Terry
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
killed a lot of deer without splitting the pelvis. bone the straps and loins, disconnect the legbones from the pelvis socket. bone out the neck roast. disconnect the shoulders. you can pretty much harvest most of the meat by skinning before slitting the carcass. once the neck, straps, and legs are removed open the carcass for the organs and back straps. leave the pile for the bears and sneak outa her zone.Pete44ru wrote:BlaineG wrote:
One does not need much knife to dress out a deer IF you have something that will get thru the pelvis. (I snapped a Buck fixed blade by jamming it into the pelvis, and twisting/bending).
I've had great luck with splitting the pelvis bone of deer via holding the blade parallel to the spine & tight to the bone, then giving the back/spine of the blade a solid thump or two with the side of my fist - actually pounding the blade through the bone.
The only blade I damaged using that method was also a Buck, with a Pakkawood handle that split in my hand from the force of my fist thump.
.
it wasn't until I started using the 12" blade in the recip saw that I split pelvises, and that mostly because they were frozen.
. . . Grizz
the Good Confession > The Only Begotten Son of God >
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/ ... rimary_0_1
https://compass.org/article-why-asking- ... -save-you/
†
the Good Confession > The Only Begotten Son of God >
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/ ... rimary_0_1
https://compass.org/article-why-asking- ... -save-you/
†
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I am in Poland at the moment. The stalker carries a blaze orange handled stainless Mora knife. He cleaned the Red Stag with it and that was all he needed. I have a couple of Mora knives and they work well. I saw a video of how to use a little kitchen knife to split a log. The trick is to whittle a small round spike of wood and baton the wooden spike into the log. If you need more than one, just whittle it. A Mora can do that with ease. Why beat on your knife when you don't need to?
D. Brian Casady
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
Advanced is being able to do the basics while your leg is on fire---Bill Jeans
Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up---Robert Frost
- Canuck Bob
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1830
- Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:57 am
- Location: Calgary, Canada
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
They call it the Jump Knife and catalogue it as the Canadian Army Knife now. It is a Grohman #3 and the bade has D H Russell stamped on it as well. I got the stainless blade rather than the high carbon. My ancient Schrade Sharpfinger in hc rusted due to my carelessness. It sure held a sharp edge but it converted me to stainless knives.Old Savage wrote:I think that is the Canadian Air Force knife.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
You guys splitting pelvis' and sternums are working too hard, lol
I don't even gut them anymore, hang , skin, and debone, or do em on the ground, you can get it done with the knife that comes with your nail cutter.
I don't even gut them anymore, hang , skin, and debone, or do em on the ground, you can get it done with the knife that comes with your nail cutter.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
This is the largest I have, Top is 10", bottom is what they use on the fishing boats out hete to fillet fish, often bigger.
I use the top one for splitting chickens for the grill.
I use the top one for splitting chickens for the grill.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Canuck Bob
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1830
- Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:57 am
- Location: Calgary, Canada
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
An ax or hatchet comes in handy with a moose or elk. A nail cutter won't cut it in my opinion .gcs wrote:You guys splitting pelvis' and sternums are working too hard, lol
I don't even gut them anymore, hang , skin, and debone, or do em on the ground, you can get it done with the knife that comes with your nail cutter.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Favorites on the short end, Dozier and Bear MGC.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
LETS GO SHOOT'N BOYS
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 5493
- Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:23 pm
- Location: Batesville,Arkansas
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
OS, what part of Arkansaw did that Dozier knife come from???
JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
JOSHUA 24:15
JOSHUA 24:15
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
West of Batesville.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
For almost everything I need a knife for, a 3.5" to 4.5" drop point has proven to be ideal. Anything more than 5" is unwieldy to me for more delicate tasks.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I don't split pelvises either. Cut around the stuff going through it and pull it through. Same for sternum, work around it and bone it out. I reach inside to cut the windpipe and stuff up front free. Will have half a deer skeleton hanging after removing the legs at the joints and boning the meat off the carcass.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt-
Isnt it amazing how many people post without reading the thread?
Isnt it amazing how many people post without reading the thread?
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
.
The 8 of us in my annual Maine deer-hunting party, have the luxury (usually) of allowing deer to hang for several days (field-dressed & skin "on") to age the meat, and transport the deer to our homes - so, we do no de-boning/etc until the deer arrive @ home for full butchering/processing.
The smaller knives are the handiest for field-dressing; the larger knives better for converting/processing deer to meat.
.
The 8 of us in my annual Maine deer-hunting party, have the luxury (usually) of allowing deer to hang for several days (field-dressed & skin "on") to age the meat, and transport the deer to our homes - so, we do no de-boning/etc until the deer arrive @ home for full butchering/processing.
The smaller knives are the handiest for field-dressing; the larger knives better for converting/processing deer to meat.
.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Had this one for 52 years! Still think it is kewl and love carrying it around when in the woods. IMHO best looking Bowie! Has been used on deer, chopping wood and just about for everything . Splits the pelvic like a hatchet. 8 inch blade. Anton Wingen Jr. , Solingen Germany
Can shave with it, keeps an edge well and is somewhat easy to sharpen.
I do keep a smaller knife with me.
[URL=http://s4.photobucket.com/user/Bro ... .jpg[/img][/url]
John
Can shave with it, keeps an edge well and is somewhat easy to sharpen.
I do keep a smaller knife with me.
[URL=http://s4.photobucket.com/user/Bro ... .jpg[/img][/url]
John
Gettin old ain't for sissies!
There just has to be dogs in heaven !
There just has to be dogs in heaven !
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
If your going to drag them, do like Malamute, don't split anything, otherwise the carcass just collects more leaves and stuff.
I age the meat too, large chunks in game bags, in a cooler, with ice on the bottom if needed. Works just as well and you don't have to wrestle with a dried on, or half frozen hide.
Plus you don't have a pile of deer showing in the back of the truck. Unless you like that kind of stuff.
I age the meat too, large chunks in game bags, in a cooler, with ice on the bottom if needed. Works just as well and you don't have to wrestle with a dried on, or half frozen hide.
Plus you don't have a pile of deer showing in the back of the truck. Unless you like that kind of stuff.
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Hete is a Sheffield version.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
This.gcs wrote:If your going to drag them, do like Malamute, don't split anything, otherwise the carcass just collects more leaves and stuff.
Once hung, or laying around waiting to get hung, I prop the carcass open with a stick or whatever to help it cool.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt-
Isnt it amazing how many people post without reading the thread?
Isnt it amazing how many people post without reading the thread?
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 5493
- Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:23 pm
- Location: Batesville,Arkansas
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I reckon west of Batesville is good enough. I know a Master bladesmith but not a Dosier,
JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
JOSHUA 24:15
JOSHUA 24:15
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Dozier, D2 heat treated to where it is nearly stainless.
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9068
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:05 am
- Location: Sweetwater, TX
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Got to looking at that Canadian military knife that Old Savage posted. Always thought that was such an ergonomic design. Found out the R. Murphy made this for George L. Herter back in the day (I lived for the Herter's Catalog as a teenager in the 1960s) and found the current version, new, on eBay for about $33 delivered. Alas, by dribs, drabs and mouse clicks I steadily grow poorer ...
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16740
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
I think A.G. Russell noted it as such in their catalog. I find it the most ergomonic of their handles.
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
"I think that is the Canadian Air Force knife"
Nice knife,I have used the Cold Steel version.
My two favorite knives for dressing out game are:
a. Tri-Steel, laminated Frost, European manufacture, that I have used on and off for fifty years
b. A Green River, "Sheep Skinner", carbon steel, an absolute bargain at any price
Cheers Mark
Nice knife,I have used the Cold Steel version.
My two favorite knives for dressing out game are:
a. Tri-Steel, laminated Frost, European manufacture, that I have used on and off for fifty years
b. A Green River, "Sheep Skinner", carbon steel, an absolute bargain at any price
Cheers Mark
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9068
- Joined: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:05 am
- Location: Sweetwater, TX
Re: Largest usable outdoor knife?
Mark, a fellow who used to manage bison ranches for Ted Turner said the most useful knife for dealing with those big shaggies was a Green River "legging knife."