POLITICS - caliphornia on the way to dictatorial gun laws

[donw]

three very insidious gun/ammunition laws are now in the state legislature.

one is trying to approve the "smart gun" technology, the other is handgun ammo sales. the banning of sales of firearms and ammo within the cow palace is serious but not like, the others

Assembly Bill 2948, Assembly Bill 2235 and Assembly Bill 2062 are VERY SERIOUS attempts at ending firearms usage in the state of kaliphornia. these folks are serious at an attempt to end your ability, and right, to use and own firearms IN SPITE of the second amendment!

everyone need to contact these "legislators" and express thier concern.

this will go nation wide soon if not stopped! if we stand by and do nothing, then don't complain when you are unalbe to shoot any longer. we need to go on the offensive...attack them with emails, fone calls, faxes...vote them out of office...recall them...don't just stand and whine!


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[O.S.O.K.]

first off, what do you mean "on the way to"? IMHO, they are already "there".

And secondly, history has proven over and over that you get the government that you deserve.

If the population is apathetic and wantst to be taken care of, then that's exactly what they get - a nanny state. And oh by the way, the nanny eventually goes bad in a postal kinda way.

[Tycer]

Thanks for the heads-up. Will send letters.

[brucew44guns]

Surely Arnold would step in----wouldn't he?

[ursavus.elemensis]

Ah, it sounds like soon enough we will have to send Federal troops to California to restore the Constistutionally assured rights of the people.

[Jaguarundi]

Ah, it sounds like soon enough we will have to send Federal troops to California to restore the Constistutionally assured rights of the people.

+1 !

[gary rice]

Surely Arnold would step in----wouldn't he?

no way you can count on that commy governor to step in, well; he will certainly step in and sign it just like he did with the lead ammo ban.

[otteray]

first off, what do you mean "on the way to"? IMHO, they are already "there".

And secondly, history has proven over and over that you get the government that you deserve.

If the population is apathetic and wantst to be taken care of, then that's exactly what they get - a nanny state. And oh by the way, the nanny eventually goes bad in a postal kinda way.

Unfortunately, our state has gerrymandered districts as set up unscrupulously years ago so that the 50-50 population of left vs right was meaningless.
This is being addressed by gun rights activists all the time, such as the recently failed attempt by Don Perada (anti-gun) to recall a conservative Representative for no good cause in an attempt to get a Democrat in place.
By gerrymandering the districts, the majority of those who believe in the constitution, not socialism, have been truly hampered, but not stomped out.
We keep fighting back, but it is an seemingly endless battle. And we do win a lot of them.
So no, half the population is not apathetic.
So, if you are from a different state, don't be apathetic to what happens here, but be proactive, or it will spread your way. Not quickly, but chip, chip, chip just like happened here.

[horsesoldier03]

I hope things fair well for you. Not really sure that me contacting my Senator or Congressman would help or I would do it. Personally, Kalifornia should have seen the hand writing on the wall when you let major cities get away with Gay Parades and kicking the US Marines out of SF. Every darn one of you should have been standing on the door step of the mayor and city counsel at that time. I hope like hell that it doesnt happen, but IMO Kalifornians have been neglecting there civic responsibilities for some time and the chickens are now coming home to roost! I will be sure to find out more on what I can do, but I dont see how I can influence another States legislature when I am not a citizen.

[otteray]

I hope things fair well for you. Not really sure that me contacting my Senator or Congressman would help or I would do it. Personally, Kalifornia should have seen the hand writing on the wall when you let major cities get away with Gay Parades and kicking the US Marines out of SF. Every darn one of you should have been standing on the door step of the mayor and city counsel at that time. I hope like hell that it doesnt happen, but IMO Kalifornians have been neglecting there civic responsibilities for some time and the chickens are now coming home to roost! I will be sure to find out more on what I can do, but I dont see how I can influence another States legislature when I am not a citizen.

Stop funding our enemies by boycotting the various organizations, celebrities, and companies that the NRA has identified as supporting the fight against us http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15.

www.calguns.net is really growing. They are in part responsible for us having a Cal legal AR-15 style rifle and for stopping the asaullt weapons ban from growing here.
Please go to this thread for more info on you can help:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/show ... p?t=100622

[gary rice]

ive lived in kalipornia my whole life, 58 years now and i can tell you that i dont deserve the commy government we have here as ive voted against the regime forever. the trouble is, their arent enough of us to get them our=t of office, God knows we've tried. frisco and l.a are the ruling politburo of the whole state. it would take an act of congress to get rid of fienstine, boxer and the likes then im not even sure. i was on gunbroker just today about to buy an old remengton model 550, just like the one my dad had given me when i was a boy. the rifle was stolen in 1979. now i learn that i cant buy it because it's illegal here. how do you think we who are stuck here feel? it's easy to say well, just move the hell out but we have a business here and it's our bread and butter for now. anyway we're stuck unless i can find someone crazy enough to buy us out.

[scr83jp]

Surely Arnold would step in----wouldn't he?

Arnie is a democrat masquerading as a republican he's as far left as the kennedys.the demonrats control mexiforney and they're antigun.

[El Chivo]

If the reps are true idealogues they will be only too happy to hear from gun owners they are slamming. Make them feel warm and fuzzy. If we could vote them out we would.

Most of us are libertarians, it's not our nature to picket and complain and foam at the mouth. Who has time? And if we get arrested for something we lose gun rights for ten years or forever.

In LA county and San Bernadino county ranges have been closing due to homeowners moving into the forest, it's illegal to target shoot on your own in the forest, etc. The target shooters had lawyers but the city councils are not on our side.

I have a good job here and that's my primary focus. If I move I have to start over. Better to save up and take early retirement and THEN move out of the county or the state. Won't be able to afford it here anyway.

If there's something I can do that will really have an effect, I'd try to do it. But we all have limitations.

I don't know the answer but I'm not sure letters and calls and e-mails will do much more than get laughs. If these people are going to slaughter whole populations of elk to prevent hunters from shooting a few then you see how crazy they are.

I'm not saying don't write or call. I'm just hoping we can get some better ideas.

[O.S.O.K.]

Gary, it is easy for me to say "move away" because I've moved no less than 10 times in my adult life. These have all been for school and then jobs but nonetheless, I decided that what I needed was at the other location and did the move.

If this is important to you (and I gather that it is...) then it's well worth the effort to sell your business or move it to a free state.

Of course, I would rather see the freedom loving people in Kali do something more concrete. You have tried all normal avenues and the leftist have stolen your right to representation. So, what are you going to do about it?

This is not my fault, I am just stating the obvious. Doesn't make me happy to and doesn't make me feel superior.

At some point, you have ask yourself what freedom is worth to you.

I know what it's worth to me.

[gary rice]

Gary, it is easy for me to say "move away" because I've moved no less than 10 times in my adult life. These have all been for school and then jobs but nonetheless, I decided that what I needed was at the other location and did the move.

If this is important to you (and I gather that it is...) then it's well worth the effort to sell your business or move it to a free state.

Of course, I would rather see the freedom loving people in Kali do something more concrete. You have tried all normal avenues and the leftist have stolen your right to representation. So, what are you going to do about it?

This is not my fault, I am just stating the obvious. Doesn't make me happy to and doesn't make me feel superior.

At some point, you have ask yourself what freedom is worth to you.

I know what it's worth to me.

i know what you're saying. ive already taken the first step and bought 20 plus acres over in northern arizona. it will be in the works. at this point it's only timing and i pray we get outta here before it's too late. almost every legal remedy has been tried to no avail unfortunately. i donate and am a member of almost every pro-gun orginization in the country including the california rifle & pistol organization, nra life member and so on. made phone calls, written letters etc adnauseum. pitty is we are grossly outnumbered here and i dont see it changing, ever in kalifornia so we have elected to fly the koop at the first opportunity. it's a darn shame but thats the way it is here. i spent a tour and a half in nam and i dont want to die in a communist state.

[BruceB]

i was on gunbroker just today about to buy an old remengton model 550, just like the one my dad had given me when i was a boy. the rifle was stolen in 1979. now i learn that i cant buy it because it's illegal here.

Who told you that? A rimfire rifle with a tubular magazine is legal in California.

[gary rice]

i was on gunbroker just today about to buy an old remengton model 550, just like the one my dad had given me when i was a boy. the rifle was stolen in 1979. now i learn that i cant buy it because it's illegal here.

Who told you that? A rimfire rifle with a tubular magazine is legal in California.

it was a transfer dealer in escondido called precision arms. the guy returned my email today informing me that if the tube held over 10 rounds it wouldnt be legal.

[BruceB]

i was on gunbroker just today about to buy an old remengton model 550, just like the one my dad had given me when i was a boy. the rifle was stolen in 1979. now i learn that i cant buy it because it's illegal here.

Who told you that? A rimfire rifle with a tubular magazine is legal in California.

it was a transfer dealer in escondido called precision arms. the guy returned my email today informing me that if the tube held over 10 rounds it wouldnt be legal.

Find a new transfer dealer. One that's aware of Penal Code section 12020(c)(25)PC:

As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.

[phlatnose]

I use prcision arms for all my tranfers. Its a good store with good guys.
Get a printout of the relevant code and show them. There are so many confusing laws and regs here, its getting hard to keep up with it all.

[mikld]

OK guys, ease up on California (C not K). Yes we have some stupid laws but you gotta remember that this state is run by the Big Three; Los Angeles, San Francisco (Bay Area), and Sacramento. We are just out numbered. This is the land of the too hip, too cool YUPPY. Many of these city people have only seen a forrest on TV, and never even considered hunting. Ask them where beef or thier tofu comes from and they will say Safeway, or Vons. A handgun to them means Crips, Bloods, MS13, or Cops. Most have never seen a wild animal other than in a Zoo. Thier favorite plaything is a cell phone that does everything except wipe their bottoms. Wildlife to them means paaartay!

There are millions of people that are not infected by the Urban, gotta-have-it-itus, buy more, give less, bigger car, bigger house syndrom. There are actually millions of us that do hunt, shoot trap & skeet, shoot at ranges, and enjoy the real outdoors (not Griffith Park). I belong to the NRA and the Cal Rifle and Pistol Assn., (I don't think you have to be a resident of CA to join the California Rifle and Pistol Assn.). I vote, I send letters, sign petitions, and talk to people about the good side of firearm owning and shooting. I'm doing something to protect my rights.

So, instead of bad mouthing us and our sick polititions,
and telling me what I should have done, lend us a hand. "Preaching to the choir" may feel good but it doesn't do much good. If it goes bad here, you can be assured it will happen where you are too.

[Old Ironsights]

mikld - Too True. Same deal with Illannoy. The Outfit in Chitown/Daley Empire runs everything. The Corruption & ties between the Daley Empire and Springfield is blatant, but there just aren't enough voters down state to make a difference.

[Mike D.]

Sending letters to the Demoncrat CA legislators is a waste of paper. I long ago gave up trying to convince them that their anti-gun ways were contradictory to the good of the State. My last letters didn't even rate a form response from them. Attempting to vote them out of office will also fail, as they are happily supported by the masses that depend on the government(our tax money at work) trough to support their lifestyles. Who else pays for their groceries, free medical care and huge SUVS with 22" rims.

[mikld]

Gosh Mike, sorry to hear you have given up. When's your funeral?

I preferr to stand up for myself and my rights than roll over for any politico's ignorance.

[scr83jp]

Every time I contact Boxer & Feinstein to disagree with their interpretation or their support for a certain program I receive email thanking me for agreeing with them.It's a waste of effort contacting the DEMONRATS in CA since they pay no attention to voters & do what they want.

[gary rice]

Every time I contact Boxer & Feinstein to disagree with their interpretation or their support for a certain program I receive email thanking me for agreeing with them.It's a waste of effort contacting the DEMONRATS in CA since they pay no attention to voters & do what they want.

thats exactly right as the same thing has happened to me. the only thing that will wake them up is when their jobs are in jeapordy and that aint gonna happen here, too many liberals. btw, i just heard that bob barr is running on the libertarian ticket, thats who ill vote for.

[O.S.O.K.]

i know what you're saying. ive already taken the first step and bought 20 plus acres over in northern arizona. it will be in the works. at this point it's only timing and i pray we get outta here before it's too late. almost every legal remedy has been tried to no avail unfortunately. i donate and am a member of almost every pro-gun orginization in the country including the california rifle & pistol organization, nra life member and so on. made phone calls, written letters etc adnauseum. pitty is we are grossly outnumbered here and i dont see it changing, ever in kalifornia so we have elected to fly the koop at the first opportunity. it's a darn shame but thats the way it is here. i spent a tour and a half in nam and i dont want to die in a communist state.

Gary, glad to hear that!

I agree that such a pretty state be lost to the socialists is a shame. Maybe in time this will be rectified.

I really do worry that things will continue to erode and we will be left with only one option. Let's pray that this doesn't come to pass and that the tide turns w/o this having to happen.

I wait the SCOTUS ruling on Heller v DC with great trepidation. They need to come back with a strong affirmation of what the 2A is really about so that citizens such as yourself can bring suit against the people purpitrating the attacks against it.

[donw]

mikld:

i've lived in california most of my adult life and have seen such an anti-gun movement it's incredible!

i belong to every one of the orginizations you mention, too...i write my representatives, i fax them, email them, i call them via fone...none will even show the courteousy to do more than send an automated email reply. barbara boxer even told me once, that she would put me on a "list of dissenters"...

california is solidy in the grip of liberals, special interest groups and illegal immigrants.

i certainly hope you keep up on the proposed legislation here...it's mind boggling! as an example; good old perata once introduced a bill to require firearms and ammo had to be stored in separate buildings from one another AND be locked securely within those storage areas...and EVERY session, for i don't know how many years, someone introduces a bill to assess a "users fee" or a "users tax" on EACH ROUND of ammo purchased...i could go on...but why?

part of the problem is that california (the big cities for the most part) have a problem with vicious gangs so it's understandable they wish to have all the laws to combat them in place...however...in passing those laws they supress areas that are NOT a problem...as an example: why would my owning an AR-15 be a problem where i live? i live 7 miles from the nearest town...

my belief is that legislatures create MORE problems than they solve by enacting many of the laws they enact.

blah...blah...blah...

[El Chivo]

I wonder if it would be possible for gun owners to force recall elections.

The recall wouldn't win, but it might be embarrassing enough to a senator or congressman that they wouldn't want it to happen - so they might toe the line enough to satisfy their gun-owning constituents.

Remembering the Gray Davis recall, I think if somewhere around 9% of the total voters in the previous election signed recall peititions, that would force a recall election.

We don't have a majority, but we might have 9%.

Anybody have any info on that?