'76 Winchester 50 cal Sporting Rifle by Chaparral.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:37 am

Any of you guys have one of these?
What's the stats on the .50-95?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100475035

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:42 am

Glad to see these have finally made it to the market. I don't know the stats, but this one pegs the ol' "cool meter" at the red line!

I purchased my Chaparral Arms 1876 in .45-60WCF from rmshd on gunbroker. Straight up fellow to work with, and he sells his stuff at the prevailing rate for the day.

I think you need to be the first from the leverguns.com family to have one of these!

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:56 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:Glad to see these have finally made it to the market. I don't know the stats, but this one pegs the ol' "cool meter" at the red line!

I purchased my Chaparral Arms 1876 in .45-60WCF from rmshd on gunbroker. Straight up fellow to work with, and he sells his stuff at the prevailing rate for the day.

I think you need to be the first from the leverguns.com family to have one of these!

Please don't tempt me Ysabel, I am feeling the need to buy a new toy.

I just checked out the Chaparral web sight.
They don't list the big .50-95 as a cal. option.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat May 24, 2008 7:05 am

casastahle wrote: Please don't tempt me Ysabel

Oh, yeah - that's goin' work. I figure you guys/this site are personally responsible for at least 3 leverguns I've picked up since joining. I'm just returning the favor!!!

Post by **Hobie** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:36 am

Only 3 Jay? I admire your self-control.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:12 am

this site is responsible for dozens of purchases since I joined. I think I have a problem

Gun Smith · Post by **Gun Smith** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:57 am

I'm confused. If they don't have it on their web site, how can they be available from someone else ?

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:30 pm

Uberti is also producing the 1876 in 50-95. Those are now available from Cimarron Arms.

junkbug · Post by **junkbug** » Sat May 24, 2008 1:10 pm

Buffalo Arms has them for around $1300 in 50-95. I would definately prefer the 22" barrel to the 28".

You could sure shoot a ton of lead in a hurry in one. But honestly, I believe the bullet of choice for this cartridge weighs only 350 gr. So you won't use up lead any faster than a 45-70 in a Marlin guide gun, or 1886 clone.

The learning curve issues Hobie has has with his 45-75 are probably just as steep in the 50-95, as they are both bottle-neck black powder cartridges.

It is a tempting short rifle for me.

Sean

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,6916.html

1886 · Post by **1886** » Sat May 24, 2008 2:16 pm

It sure is pretty. 1886.

Post by **Hobie** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:06 pm

junkbug wrote:Buffalo Arms has them for around $1300 in 50-95. I would definately prefer the 22" barrel to the 28".

You could sure shoot a ton of lead in a hurry in one. But honestly, I believe the bullet of choice for this cartridge weighs only 350 gr. So you won't use up lead any faster than a 45-70 in a Marlin guide gun, or 1886 clone.

The learning curve issues Hobie has has with his 45-75 are probably just as steep in the 50-95, as they are both bottle-neck black powder cartridges.

It is a tempting short rifle for me.

Sean

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,6916.html

Apparently there is quite a learning curve with them, perhaps more so than with the .45-75. Everything to get them shooting is more expensive, molds, dies... I'd like to take a 22 inch and make it a half-round barrel, button mag, shotgun butt gun. However, that project will have to wait in line.

Henry McCann · Post by **Henry McCann** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:26 pm

Hobie, I'd love that configuration, but a 28" cut to 24", shotgun butt and 2/3's magazine clone of the Winchester 71 would also make me smile.

Now both, and I would smile 24/7!

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:05 am

Wow

Went to G.B. to drull, and it's gone.
That was snatched up quick.
Not that I don't understand as to why.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:27 am

Hobie wrote:Only 3 Jay? I admire your self-control.

Only 3 or so that I hadn't planned on getting before I started. LG is the accomplis to many more than that!!!

(Gotta be careful with my son reading here now

)

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun May 25, 2008 4:59 pm

casastahle , Looks like the auction expired without a bid. It will be relisted I bet!
I am in need of a new toy also. Maybe one of those would scratch my itch.

EDITED !!
I had a PROBLEM and could not stop my finger from clicking on the
BUY NOW button so I guess it is gone now.

I promise to post pictures when it comes. Now to start looking for stuff to make it go bang.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100755552

WCF3030 · Post by **WCF3030** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:25 pm

nice rifle

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sun May 25, 2008 8:35 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote: I had a PROBLEM and could not stop my finger from clicking on the
BUY NOW button so I guess it is gone now.
I promise to post pictures when it comes. Now to start looking for stuff to make it go bang.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100755552

Ya might want to have that finger checked by a professional there, Chuck! Sounds like it could be getting you into all kinds of problems!

Congratulations! Old Sixgun Shorty will do right by ya!

Stop by here and visit with the posse of 76.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index. ... ,89.0.html

Yance · Post by **Yance** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:27 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:casastahle , Looks like the auction expired without a bid. It will be relisted I bet!
I am in need of a new toy also. Maybe one of those would scratch my itch.

EDITED !!
I had a PROBLEM and could not stop my finger from clicking on the
BUY NOW button so I guess it is gone now.
I promise to post pictures when it comes. Now to start looking for stuff to make it go bang.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100755552

What are friends for? Tell a guy it's been relisted, then tell him you couldn't help yourself.

Do yourself a huge favor first thing. Make a GOOD chamber cast and check it CLOSELY. A friend's Chaparral '76 28" rifle had a BAD!!!! chamber, 20+ thousandths off axis of the bore, plus when the reamer gouged the chamber wall they just ran it the rest of the way in. Left a nice 3/4 ring around the middle of the fired case.

Sent it, fired cases, and photos of the chamber cast back on Feb 7. 7 weeks later I received a 26" barreled rifle in return. Chaparral still hasn't been able to get a replacement 28" barrel for my buddy's rifle.

Last time I talked to Nick @ Chaparral he said a couple more weeks...maybe. Tomorrow will be two weeks and I'm not holding my breath.

I'll be interested in hearing how your caseforming goes.

Congrats on a pretty rifle.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:11 pm

Yance, I sure hope it`s a good one. I have heard of Remington mod.700`s that were chambered soo far off that the neck area of the chamber had rifling in it.

It seems that Quality problems are everywhere these days. I have bought several new rifles in the last couple years (mostly Marlins) and have had only one problem and that one only was brought out when shooting cast(oversize bore). Got my fingers crossed.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:19 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:It seems that Quality problems are everywhere these days.

Ah yes, the joys of mass-produced, man-made items.

My job 5-6 days a week involves solving the messes that happen when things from factory new to 20+ years take a dump. Some of it is due to simple part failure, some of it due to poor assembly.

Unfortunately this is now the way of the world since the acceptable failure rate of products seems to have gone up and manufacturing procedures have gotten more lax.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:40 am

Chuck 100 yd wrote:casastahle , Looks like the auction expired without a bid. It will be relisted I bet!
I am in need of a new toy also. Maybe one of those would scratch my itch.

EDITED !!
I had a PROBLEM and could not stop my finger from clicking on the
BUY NOW button so I guess it is gone now.
I promise to post pictures when it comes. Now to start looking for stuff to make it go bang.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100755552

Hummm me thinks I should get some sales commission
out of this.
Congratulations, and do post all about it when you have time.

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Wayne Miller · Post by **Wayne Miller** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:26 am

Chuck 100 yd wrote:casastahle , Looks like the auction expired without a bid. It will be relisted I bet!
I am in need of a new toy also. Maybe one of those would scratch my itch.

EDITED !!
I had a PROBLEM and could not stop my finger from clicking on the
BUY NOW button so I guess it is gone now.
I promise to post pictures when it comes. Now to start looking for stuff to make it go bang.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =100755552

Hey Chuck,

I have a brand new Lyman 350gr RNFP mold for this cartridge that I am not using. If you are interested, drop me a line. I originally bought it to use in my 56-50 Spencer, but am using a Rapine mold instead.

Wayne

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon May 26, 2008 10:11 am

I thought it was THE 1st rule of "forum self-preservation", that; if you found something on one of the auction sites, you DIDN'T share that info unless you weren't interested!

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Mon May 26, 2008 11:36 am

here is load data from mike venturino:

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_ ... W=&PM=&PT=

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
314 NEI #510-300GC Goex FFg 80.0 1,494
Remarks: group (two 5 shot groups @ 100 yds.): 6.13 & 7.25
314 NEI #510-300GC Goex Cartridge 85.0 1,501
Remarks: group (two 5 shot groups @ 100 yds.): 5.25 & 5.75

and this is the express configuration that handles and balances well [this is my rifle]

these are really neat guns!!

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:39 pm

hfcable wrote:
and this is the express configuration that handles and balances well [this is my rifle]

these are really neat guns!!

Nice example, hfcable. By any chance did you pick that one up from Walter over at the Antique Gallery Gunroom?

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:21 pm

Griff wrote:I thought it was THE 1st rule of "forum self-preservation", that; if you found something on one of the auction sites, you DIDN'T share that info unless you weren't interested!

And the second rule is to let every brother in the forum know about it
to eliminate a serious temptation.

(and also a severe beating from the boss

)

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:37 am

Grizzly Adams wrote:
hfcable wrote:
and this is the express configuration that handles and balances well [this is my rifle]

these are really neat guns!!
Nice example, hfcable. By any chance did you pick that one up from Walter over at the Antique Gallery Gunroom?

No, i dont deal with walter, too much of his stuff is not as advertised and he is not known for standing by what he sells; he has also been directly underhanded and deliberately dishonest and manipulative to me, and to several of my highly knowlegeable friends. you cannot trust his word on anything.
i fear for people who do business with him. his name is mud with most of the friends i have, including some who have written books on firearms.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:06 am

hfcable wrote:
Grizzly Adams wrote:
hfcable wrote:
and this is the express configuration that handles and balances well [this is my rifle]

these are really neat guns!!
Nice example, hfcable. By any chance did you pick that one up from Walter over at the Antique Gallery Gunroom?
No, i dont deal with walter, too much of his stuff is not as advertised and he is not known for standing by what he sells; he has also been directly underhanded and deliberately dishonest and manipulative to me, and to several of my highly knowlegeable friends. you cannot trust his word on anything.
i fear for people who do business with him. his name is mud with most of the friends i have, including some who have written books on firearms.

I hear ya!

KCSO · Post by **KCSO** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:42 am

I would be most careful buying anything with Chapparral Arms on it. The qualiity of these guns is highly suspect and they have no idea of what constitutes proper bore diameter. I have had 38-40's with bores up to 403. The parts are mismatched and it seems the guns are intended more for show than go. I gave up on them a long time ago.

'76 Winchester 50 cal Sporting Rifle by Chaparral.

'76 Winchester 50 cal Sporting Rifle by Chaparral.

Stuff to make it go "bang".