TOT- Best Place for Poor Guy?

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 am

The rate things are going I may have to retire early due to disability, and also start collecting Social Security both which total about $1400 a month. I cannot survive in Hawaii with this income. Is there anywhere in this country that is decent as far as low crime, low cost of living, mild weather, and cheap (under $75,000) real estate, basic necessities close by (small town)? Just checking my options, THANKS!

bigbore442001 · Post by **bigbore442001** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:25 am

It seems that areas with all of the factors you mentioned have a price tag on them that can force the working class poor out. It seems that you have to compromise something. Weather and climate are a big factor in that.

Personally, I would factor out the mild climate out of the equation. It seems to be the overriding reason people flock to an area.

Ok. Since we factored out climate I would look at northern or Down East Maine for retirement. Low cost of living, real estate is inexpensive and the state is a shall issue state. Hunting is better closer to the coast than inland due to the severity of the winters. As an example, I saw 70 acres of land near the capital of Augusta for around 100K. It gets cheaper the further north you go. But the winters get brutal. They still had some snow in the woods a month ago in northern Maine.

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:38 am

Rapid City , South Dakota area. Very gun friendly state and great people. Just my 2 cents

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:54 am

Ji, I believe you just described Missouri.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:58 am

And parts of South Carolina. People are flocking to the southeast from the northeast and the rust belt for those exact reasons. Comparatively, the cost of living is much cheaper (housing, food, gas, taxes, etc.), and the weather is much milder. Here in upstate SC, on the border with NC near Charlotte, we have all four seasons, though "winter" is usually just a bit cold (40's to 50's average) and wet. We get the occasional snow, usually more ice, but Mother Nature melts it within a day or so. The summers can be pretty darn hot and humid, which is the down side, but I'd rather flock to a pool than shovel snow (BTDT). Charlotte's crime is pretty high, but it is still a relatively safe place compared to the big cities. Almost any other places in the Carolinas is very low in crime. You need to balance the school system with the house price - and the relation is very direct. The better the schools, the more expensive the area will be to live in. SC is a gun-friendly state for sure! You are never more than a few hours from the beach, from mountains, or 1,000's of interesting historical sites.

I grew up in Indiana, and it also has very reasonable home prices, depending on where you would want to live. Much more balanced seasons - summers aren't as hot (though they can be hot just not for as long); winters can be cold and snowy. Depends where you live in the state.

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:43 am

I have family members who who have moved to Mexico, Guanajuato. They love it. I dont think I could do it myself. Unbelievably low rent, if you dont mind a dump.
Personally for me and my family we are considering eastern Kentucky.

jlchucker · Post by **jlchucker** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:59 am

Forget Vermont! High taxes, antibusiness. It has always been gun-friendly, but the liberal-socialists that have flocked here from nearby states keep making noises about gun control, although we have none right now. Cold winters, high fuel prices, and a real estate market geared toward gentrification. What you read in "Vermont Life" has become a myth. I was born and raised here, as were my parents. The rural area I grew up in is urecognisable. Now that I myself have retired, I'm looking at other gun-friendly states that may still retain some genuine, not hyped, rural character and values.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:30 am

Check out Costa Rica...

You can work there if you have your own business. You can live there if you have steady income. It's beach life on two ocean coasts and jungle life in-between. There is a large ex-pat community and the society is fairly stable. It's very close to the equator.

So if you can provide boat services, or a fishing guide service, or make custom rods, or detail boats, make and sell folk art for supplemental income you can live well and avoid the climate temperature extremes we enjoy on the mainland...

Grizz

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:39 am

my sailboat costs me less than $2000/yr for mooring or storage. I will soon be moving on it full time. You can sail to any warm climate AND have some awesome views.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:13 am

As much as I dislike the climate (Mild & Humid...(to me) I prefer Cold & Dry) you could look into my area - Indiana South Shore of Lake Michigan.

Big(ish) Water to play on. Reasonable COL (I can almost afford to live here

). Cheap(ish) Real estate as long as you stay off the beach. Good access to Medical (Chicago via commuter train) Generally Gun Friendly (though very little non-private land to shoot on).

A littel farther inland and east you could get into Amish country (Napanee area). Lower COL yet, lots of smaller (bass) lakes.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:07 am

Wouldn't try Taxsconsin...if your income is what you say, they'd want all of that plus a buck for the privledge to live here. Plus you get to enjoy 7 months of Winter!!! That being said, some of the small towns up north have very reasonable real estate and very low crime rates with excellent schools. For example, Marinette has homes in the city going for sub $50k that are decent homes, has very low crime rate, and is within walking distance to some fine boating on Lake Michigan. An added bonus is the available hunting within a bicycle ride.

Dastook · Post by **Dastook** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:10 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:And parts of South Carolina. People are flocking to the southeast from the northeast and the rust belt for those exact reasons. Comparatively, the cost of living is much cheaper (housing, food, gas, taxes, etc.), and the weather is much milder. Here in upstate SC, on the border with NC near Charlotte, we have all four seasons, though "winter" is usually just a bit cold (40's to 50's average) and wet. We get the occasional snow, usually more ice, but Mother Nature melts it within a day or so. The summers can be pretty darn hot and humid, which is the down side, but I'd rather flock to a pool than shovel snow (BTDT). Charlotte's crime is pretty high, but it is still a relatively safe place compared to the big cities. Almost any other places in the Carolinas is very low in crime. You need to balance the school system with the house price - and the relation is very direct. The better the schools, the more expensive the area will be to live in. SC is a gun-friendly state for sure! You are never more than a few hours from the beach, from mountains, or 1,000's of interesting historical sites.

I grew up in Indiana, and it also has very reasonable home prices, depending on where you would want to live. Much more balanced seasons - summers aren't as hot (though they can be hot just not for as long); winters can be cold and snowy. Depends where you live in the state.

+1 on what YK said.

nemhed · Post by **nemhed** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:19 am

+ 1 on Indiana. Most of the state would meet your criteria, with the exception being the weather, but the weather here can change on an hourly basis. I'm guessing you won't like the lake effect snow in the northern part. Indiana is also one of the most pro-gun states. Plenty of hunting and fishing here

, but no mountains

.

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:21 am

Might try Oklahoma, we're all Poor here...!

We'd make you feel welcome.

Jayhawker · Post by **Jayhawker** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:22 am

Mountain Home, Arkansas. It's still fairly inexpensive with plenty of hunting and fishing throughout the Ozarks.

morgan in nm · Post by **morgan in nm** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:22 am

If you don't mind the heat and drought, New Mexico has many areas that are reasonably priced. Gun friendly laws are still present and there are a few areas that are still old west. I bought a house about 10 years ago in a small town for $2000 that was livable(1500 sq/ft) on 6 lots. Fairly low crime at the time(meth heads started stealing things recently in the area). Taxes cost me $1.28 a year. Sold it a couple of years ago for $4k. There are places where the people never heard of drugs and the crime rate is very low if nonexistent but you have to drive 70 miles to get to a grocery store. It really depends on what your looking for.

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:30 am

Grizz wrote:Check out Costa Rica...

You can work there if you have your own business. You can live there if you have steady income. It's beach life on two ocean coasts and jungle life in-between. There is a large ex-pat community and the society is fairly stable. It's very close to the equator.

So if you can provide boat services, or a fishing guide service, or make custom rods, or detail boats, make and sell folk art for supplemental income you can live well and avoid the climate temperature extremes we enjoy on the mainland...

Grizz

+1 on Costa Rica!
My wife did a research project some years back on international business and her assigned country was Costa Rica. After her project we both wanted to move!
If/when you get close, throw me a PM and I'll find the research for you.

Quinn

wm · Post by wm » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:37 am

I would suggest Mid or Northern Michigan except for the weather.....the Great Lakes help mediate the harsh winter storms, we don't get the weather that they get in Minnesota or Idaho, but compared to Hawaii the winters would seem mighty inhospitable.

But we would be glad to have you!

Wm

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:49 am

Not here. Scratch Central Florida from your list. Too hot, too humid, and too expensive. We do have a nice selection of palm trees though. Thankfully, this is a pretty pro-gun state. I think we can credit Marion Hammer "The Bulldozer" for that. Northern Florida may be better for cost of living ... plus they have larger deer. If you're a hog hunter though, this is your place. Apparently the Spanish let a few loose back in the day and they've been tearing the place up ever since.

WCF3030 · Post by **WCF3030** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:03 am

Stay away from Michigan.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:12 am

Ooops on Costa Rica Quinn

I think it's a no guns allowed country. That's a deal killer isn't it?

I think Mike's sailboat idea is pretty good, sail to Costa Rica and have the best of two worlds...

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:17 am

Well, under $75K puts you in rural XXX. Which is not all bad! It's where I live.

Rural Texas would fit your bill. My little town has modest houses for that amount. As far as great hunting and fishing, the fishing is all around but public hunting isn't - have to travel to get to that...

Depending on how close to civilization you want to be, you might check land bordering BLM land in Colorado - southern Colorado to be specific. Might be able to find something within your $$$ and that'd put you right next to good year-round hunting.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:19 am

Get a nice big boat with a small machine shop and you can go into the Arms Business manufacturing simple SMG SKD kits to sell to the natives....

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:21 pm

Jayhawker wrote:Mountain Home, Arkansas. It's still fairly inexpensive with plenty of hunting and fishing throughout the Ozarks.

I was so taken with that area when I was down there a few years ago I almost stayed.

I also like the Western part of Virginia and the Carolinas..

Ohio's not so bad. Lake Erie and the rest of the Great Lakes offer endless adventures. Cost of living isn't bad and you'd have your choice of homes. Everything's for sale.

Everyone's going South.

jb

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:31 pm

I'm prejudiced for Virginia, particularly the Shenandoah Valley and Staunton. However, housing is a bit above the $75,000 level for a purchase but if you live in town most everything is accessible on bike. I think the median house price is about $135K. Interestingly, if you go north, south or east prices rise. If you go west you are more isolated (but not necessarily a bad thing). If you moved here you'd have a ride to some hunting for sure!

Weather is mostly mild with some really hot days and really cold days but not usually more than a week a year of either. We have some water but aren't on the water. You'd have to slide down below the fall-line for the really good water stuff to which you're more accustomed. However, here in the Valley we don't have the real extremes of weather such as tornadoes on the ground for miles, hurricanes (although they will drop some water on us), snow, and we don't have earthquakes either. The soil many/most places is fertile enough for a good garden.

After all that it might be that Lousiana is pretty good with easy access to water, etc. their big problems being hurricanes.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:17 pm

I would consider West Virginia, with factories closing a few decades ago everything was for sale. You'd have 3 or 4 deer seasons (WV, PA, OH, KY) close by. The big problem is no jobs, but if you have an independent income it might fit the bill.

Same for places like Kansas, Nebraska, someone was telling me about them. Rent an apartment for $200.00 a month. Been a while since I've seen that!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:38 pm

I'd look around the rural Deep South........won't be much work, but........... If my daughter was not here, I'd look around Ft Rucker, AL.....good hunting and fishing and VA/Military base in the area..............

Dirty Dan · Post by **Dirty Dan** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:38 pm

Only one plug for Texas! I bought 22 acres with a house in Sabine Co. (east Texas)this year for $75k. The house had some damage left over from Rita and was a Fannie Mae repo. I cut out 1.5 acre & the house and sold it to a young couple for a starter. 20+ acres left when I retire.

Weather allows you to grow a nice garden. Guns are a given. Plenty of deer & hogs for the freezer. A person could live real cheap if they really wanted too. Crime is everywhere, but still minimal here. An hr from malls, car dealers, movie theatres and real restaurants.

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:58 pm

Northwest Arkansas/Southwest Missouri Ozarks. Close to amenities (health, transportation, shopping, entertainment, sports), excellent boating/fishing lakes, diverse, 4 seasons, beautiful scenery and recreational opportunities. Deer, bear, hog, elk, and small game seasons. And depending how close you need to be to the booming NW Arkansas area, decently priced rural property is available. PM me for info on various aspects of living here. It's got to be way cheaper than HI.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:10 pm

The big bend area of Fla. around Perry would be my first choice.

Close to the gulf, close to good hog hunting and close to yer sister.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:39 pm

Indiana has low cost of living, very tolerant people (we don't like lazy welfarites or rich liberal hypocrites though), and great gun laws. South is hilly and less land needed to attain privacy. Winters cold and dreary, but that's why we have fireplaces, wood stoves, hot chocolate, bird feeders, good whisky, and lots of hunting/outdoors books to read! Besides, it makes you REALLY appreciate the spring!

66GTO · Post by **66GTO** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:50 pm

Ganjiro,

Sorry to hear about your predicament. If you have to leave the islands I will sure miss your posts of your adventures.

I have a friend who found himself in a similar situation as yours. He bought a used camper and stays at a campground on a lake in rural Northwest Florida. The campground owner has a hunt club next door and my friend can fish from his front door. He worked a deal with the owner of the campground for reduced rent in return for acting as the campground host. All utilities are provided. He is able to live on less than the amount you mentioned. He does not have it easy, so I help him out a little when he needs it.

Best of luck to you. Maybe things will work out so you can stay in those beautiful islands.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:09 pm

Ji,
My vote is of course for New Mexico.
I can hunt
elk
deer
turkey
bear
antelope
quail
dove
and a host of other things, all within SHORT driving distance
Taxes are low
median housing affordable ( stay out of the big cities )
I feel confident that it is a less intrusive state government than you are accustomed to

66GTO · Post by **66GTO** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:28 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Ji,
My vote is of course for New Mexico.
I can hunt
elk
deer
turkey
bear
antelope
quail
dove
and a host of other things, all within SHORT driving distance
Taxes are low
median housing affordable ( stay out of the big cities )
I feel confident that it is a less intrusive state government than you are accustomed to

I'll second New Mexico. I spent a few weeks out there several years ago on an assignment and was able to travel throughout most of the state. Beautiful wide open spaces and surprisingly varied terrain. Mostly dry of course, but I drove through some mountains that were very lush and damp. Stay away from Santa Fe, Taos, and Albuquerque to avoid crime and high cost of living. Santa Fe and Taos are magnets for the chic, artsy, liberal crowd and Albuquerque is urban sprawl and crime, but on the plus side they do have a AAA minor league baseball team. There are many small towns and lots of rural areas that would be perfect.

New Mexico is my dream state as a final retirement home if I ever leave hurricane alley (a.k.a. Florida).

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:59 pm

Ji,
I remember your posts about your kids ( from teaching )
You have teaching skills
I, myself was going to teach english on the Res., when I was young and idealistic.
Aerospace lured me away with wine, women & song
In short, I sold out
N.M. is teacher poor
I'm sure a man with your skills & dedication, could make a mark

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:05 pm

mescalero1 wrote:Ji,
I remember your posts about your kids ( from teaching )
You have teaching skills
I, myself was going to teach english on the Res., when I was young and idealistic.
Aerospace lured me away with wine, women & song
In short, I sold out
N.M. is teacher poor
I'm sure a man with your skills & dedication, could make a mark

My secretary just left to go home to NM to become a teacher. As mescalero1 states, they are in big need of them. In fact, most of the states in the southeast are in the same boat - need teachers due to all the population growth. Something to consider!

Slick · Post by **Slick** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:14 pm

I hate to be a "source of gloom", but your chances of getting any Social Security disability benefits is about nil - and if you do, you'll need a good attorney. I'm disability retired from the government - yet SSI still has denied me my benefit.

I fought taking a retirement for as long as I could so I could pay-off my home.. Good thing I did, or I'd be sleeping under a bridge right now. Unfortunately, I'm in a financial backslide and it's only a matter of time before I wind up losing my home (to ever rising taxes & insurance) since I live in California. The good news is that I should be able to sell my rural property and use the money to buy a new place to live in Kentucky as everything is WAY cheaper there and there are no jobs.. Since I can't get anything (much) for my house, I'll turn it over to a property management firm and use the rental income to get by along with my meager disability pension - that way if I lose my case fighting for my SSI, I won't wind up homeless.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:18 pm

Ji,
come to SE Texas,
We'll go fish the marshes and the gulf and slide up to dirty Dans and shoot a pig.

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:30 pm

Maybe Las Vegas, New Mexico might be OK for you. Otherwise I would second the Mtn. Home, AR and the NW AR and SW MO or SE KS areas. Can get pretty humid, but bet that won't bother you. Maybe souther AR might be a bit warmer in the winter. Other possibilities might be Eastern Tennessee/Western NC or southern VA. Just a thought. Good luck wherever you end up!

Tennessee Hayre · Post by **Tennessee Hayre** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:46 pm

Clarksville Tn, is a great little town. Gun friendly, prices are not too bad. We still have gas at 3.87 cents. Have some cheap stores to shop at. Ft Campbell is located here so lots of mony flowing. Clean area, great roads, and great hunting and fishing. River runs right through town. When prices get alittle high we just drive across the state line into Kentucky and shop. We have no state income tax. Plenty of jobs if you want to work. Nashville is only 45 mins away. Weather is not bad at all. Most of the crime we have are a few car jackers, no real gang problem just some little want ta bee's. It was listed as one of the best 100 cities in the U.S.A to live in 2 or 3 years ago.

RSY · Post by **RSY** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:23 pm

Boy, Ji, I'm really sorry to hear of your predicament. I know it'll tear your heart out to leave that place.

Of course, I don't know the extent of your disability, but if you could get into somewhat decent physical shape, there's no age limit on becoming a game warden here in Texas. Personally, I think that would be a great life, assuming you and the wife wouldn't mind not being in control of where you got stationed.

Also, along the lines of teaching, if you have a Bachelor's degree (in any field) there's a program here that'll get you certified ASAP for about $400 up front, with $3,600 payable after you get a job. Not a bad deal: www.texasteachers.org

All the best and you're in my prayers.

Scott

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:02 am

Aloha Gentlemen, Thank you for your support, and input, it is much appreciated. Thanks especially for the info that is county or town specific which makes research easier. I myself don't mind and even prefer cool weather and seeing the changing of seasons. My tolerance for cold I'm guessing is genetic both parents originating from very cold parts of the world for generations even though I was raised in Hawaii. I once walked thru snow for a block and back to a supermarket in McCall, Idaho in the dead of winter wearing shorts, a tee-shirt, and rubber slippers to purchase a 6 pack of beer. From then on I wore the label "crazy Hawaiian". My wife is the one that can't handle even Hawaiian winter nights when the temps drop down to 70 degrees.
I founds this real estate website which is great for looking at homes in different neighborhoods all across the US including it's territories: http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/default.asp?mode=map just click on state, then county, then etc. even has the estimated mortgage payment for each property calculated, only problem being my total unfamiliarity with anything smaller than the state itself except for Bay Area, Ca. and Fort Myers, Fl. (Fl better of the two as far as hunting. fishing, gun rights, BUT hurricanes scary).
I prefer the ocean but any larger body of water okay that I can slip a canoe into and fish. Steve, fishing along the Texas coast sounds mighty appealing, I know the folks are nice in Texas.
Don't worry guys, I'm just preparing for worst case scenario, though I know eventually I will have to leave regardless just because impossible to retire here.
Thanks again for all your helpful suggestions, keep them coming.

Marlin .35 · Post by **Marlin .35** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:35 am

GI, I am in the same boat as you are. I make 1406 a month on SS Disability. I would not recommend the Gulf Coast of Mississippi. I pay $510 for a 1 bedroom, bath and living room/kitchen combo, and I am considered to have a "DEAL". Most rents around here are in the 700 to 1800 dollar range for a decent place. Insurance rates are through the roof. Gas is 3.89.9 per gal, and food prices are rising every day.Since Katrina, the price on everything has gone through the roof. I am having serious trouble living on my disability, and the day is comming when I will not be able to pay my bills. Good fishing here, both salt and freshwater, but you have to travel to get freshwater species. Gun friendly, (good ole boy system,) only 1 shooting range for rifle and shotgun. police range for rent for pistol. That's it. There are better places to live. Drove to Monticello, AK this past 2 weeks to meet a young lady. Gas was 3.67 when I got there, 3.79 two weeks later. Rents and housing prices are very reasonable. Food prices fair, and all the hunting and fishing you can stand. Even ELK!!!!!! Too bad it didn't work out with the kittke kady or I would have stayed there. God bless you and prayers sent to you and your family!!!! Art

GANJIRO · Post by **GANJIRO** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:31 am

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:Ji,
come to SE Texas,
We'll go fish the marshes and the gulf and slide up to dirty Dans and shoot a pig.

Aloha Steve, I am totally awestruck at the real estate prices in Port Arthur, are they real? These are Hawaii prices 40 years ago. How are the job opportunities in the area? Looks promising from a distance.
http://www.realtor.com/search/searchres ... 5471&typ=1

Cliff · Post by **Cliff** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:59 am

Hi GI sorry to hear of your problem. But I am sure you will find what you want. I live in Fl. it is nice in a lot of regions of the state,but beware of some of the small town areas, they do tend to be quite clannish, if you and your family don't go back about 5 generations you are an outsider and they do let you know. Not a biggy really there are ways around it. As an aside on the looking for work subject, I see that McDonalds in HI. is outsourcing their order taking to Texas, saying it increases their staff's productivity without having to take the customers orders. They train people in El Paso, Texas to mimic Hawaian slang and some phrases and such so customers feel comfortable dealing with them. Just kidding. At least they not outsourceing the jobs to India or some such place. Wish you the best.

cubrock · Post by **cubrock** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:31 am

Central Kentucky fits the bill. Very affordable property. Livable climate. Beautiful scenery. Great hunting. Nice people. My wife's sister and family live in Edmonton, KY and we have talked more than once about moving out there. Jobs are kinda scarce, but if you are drawing SS/retirement, that wouldn't be so much of a factor.

Les Staley · Post by **Les Staley** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:56 pm

Ji: Check out St Maries Idaho.. Darlene and I have a small cabin on the St. Joe river, LOTS of fishing, river and lakes, Coure D' Lane lake about two miles downstream from my boat ramp..Navigable water 30 ft deep in front of the cabin.. very mild climate compared to other locations in that latitude.. 2100 ft elevation.. small cong. could use the help.. great whitetail deer hunting, elk, turkey, bear and lion.. Muleys in the Bitterroots toward Montana border.. (up the Joe).. Les

sgtgrinche · Post by **sgtgrinche** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:52 pm

ohio is not the place to be right now rust belt blues going on

shawn_c992001 · Post by **shawn_c992001** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:18 pm

sobenk wrote:I would consider West Virginia, with factories closing a few decades ago everything was for sale. You'd have 3 or 4 deer seasons (WV, PA, OH, KY) close by. The big problem is no jobs, but if you have an independent income it might fit the bill.

I have to agree, being born and raised here in WV it is pretty cheap with the highest average income per household ($50,000) being Boone Co. and the lowest being Greenbrier and Pocahontas (where I'm from) ($35,000). We've got plenty of big game deer, turkey, black bear, and wild boar (residents only). We're also very gun friendly. If you're interested I can PM you with some reality sites from any area in the state you choose, I also have some friends in the business from Pocahonts Co if you would like to get in touch with them.

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:25 pm

Ji, pack up and come on to Texas bro.