The wondrous pop pop boat

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:13 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Pitchy, one of the most remarkable things about you -- and there are many -- is how quickly you turn inspiration into reality. A few days back you posted your first engine, and now you have a refined, painted and complete fleet! THE PITCHMEISTER ROCKS!

Your to kind bro but the kind words do help cheer us up thanks.

We`re heading to the shop now to try building a solid tank boiler and a small coil boiler one.
+Going to shoot another vide of the last painted boat running.
Stay tuned.

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:33 pm

Pitchy, you're a wonder. Keep on keepin' on!!!

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:48 pm

ingenious! I've never seen THAT before!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:45 pm

Thanks gents.

Can`t get the video to up-load right now so here`s a pic.
The new engine runs good, so quiet ya can hardly hear it run but it`s kicking out water so guess it`s worth building a boat for.

The video has the new factory boat running in it.
Coming soon.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:07 pm

I got me some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CK-Vintage-anti ... true&rt=nc

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:17 pm

Tycer, it's catching, isn't it? I just brought home brass tubing, .005 sheet brass and some aluminum flashing from the hardware store --and the Ebay boats are in the mail!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:53 pm

Sorry fellers but can`t get the video to up-load on Photo junk.

Will try again tomorrow.
Decided to build a wood boat for the solid boiler engine.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:59 am

All you Harley and old airplane guys are going to love this, turn you volume up.

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:22 am

You never fail to amaze Pitchy, should be a real treat to see them in the ice rink.(cement pond).

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Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:39 am

Neat, thanks for posting the video

Be good to see them all on the rink after the thaw comes

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:26 pm

I thought they sounded just like an old harley or an old airplane running.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:45 pm

I like the music of your home-made pop-pop the best, Pitch.

Motor sounds are soothing and fascinating.

One of my faves from Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQPuA0ZP8l4

Probably no way to tune the sounds from a pop-pop ...

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:25 pm

It`s all music to my ears, i built a pontoon boat with and engine like that on it that drove a paddle wheel on the back .
We got about a foot of snow last night so just got done cleaning that up, now time to head to the shop and build a wood boat.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:03 pm

Guess we`ll call it a barge.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:13 pm

Unbelieveable! Yep, a battery and servo for steering would be necessary for me! I guess in this case, a "flame-out" wouldn't be quite the disaster it would in an airplane!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:15 pm

Thanks Griff.
In this case a flame out might be an understatement.

Hayseed · Post by **Hayseed** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:20 pm

Nice lookin tugboat pitchy

Hayseed · Post by **Hayseed** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:23 pm

Wonder if a catamaran type would be speedier on water?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:35 pm

Hayseed wrote:Wonder if a catamaran type would be speedier on water?

Thanks bro, yep i`m sure it would.
I think i`ll make a crane boom on the back of it.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:25 pm

Played to the end for me, I think Pitchy.

I really like the wood boat. In Alaska we'd call that a power scow. They are common in the fishing industry. Or were, they're not getting replaced. If you deck it over to the sheerline and put the wheelhouse on top of that you'll have the flavor.

In New Jersey and along the eastern seaboard that form might be called a garvey. Before engines they were sailing scows tho.

Music to my ears. Thanks for the dream boats.

Grizz

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:41 pm

Thanks Grizz, can ya find me a picture of the boat your talking about.
I`m not sure how this engine in this boat will work or how fast it will go.
I think the boiler is to big but i`m just learning about these things myself.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:50 pm

this is a pretty good representation. they were mainly used as packers but I've seen them rigged as long liners and pot fishermen.

http://www.google.com/search?q=power+sc ... 68&bih=871

your wood one has very good proportions to my eye. I'm sure it could be scaled up to almost any size and perform well.

I fished around this one. It is set up for tendering fish. I've sold to her or to others just like her. You can see a fishing boat on the starboard side unloading or cleaning up after unloading more likely.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:57 pm

Cool, thanks.
I`ll see what i can rig up.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:53 pm

I rode down from Alaska on a tugboat last september. This scow, Afognak, came alongside the barge and took fuel while we were anchored up near Petersberg. I mis-remembered that little detail.

Like seeing old friends.

Grizz

Gobblerforge · Post by **Gobblerforge** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:59 am

Hey there Cap'n. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Does the water go in one tube and out the other? Is there a need for two tubes or is this just for even looks? Am I correct in that it appears that there is a downward slope to the flat boiler and the round boiler has the entry of the tubes above the bottom so the the boilers just holds a little water?
Gobbler

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:29 am

Gobbler, the water goes in and out of both tubes.
The water flashes in the boiler which pushes all the water out the tubes. After that the steam cools in the tubes creating a vacuum which then draws water back in the tubes to the boiler and the process repeats.
Can be any number of tubes.

I`m not sure about the solid boilers as i don`t believe all the water in those boilers is pushed out and refilled that fast, gotta find out about that.

Check out these links.
http://www.poppopman.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvlM-_glZ_g

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:07 pm

Pitch, I love your scow. Made out of pine and some oak?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:30 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Pitch, I love your scow. Made out of pine and some oak?

Pine and popular.

Fellers, i made a jig for making a small diaphram engine today and built an engine.
I`m waiting for the high temp silicone to set up then will give it a test run.
If it runs i will post a tutorial of the build.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:48 pm

Ok here we go.
The dimensions after the edges are folded over.
Width- 2 in.
Length-2 3/4

Tubing is 1/4 OD copper and 8 inch long.
Solder is plumber acid core.

The jig is made by cutting a hole in the bottom part as big as you want your engine to be, the dished part.
The other top plate had a piece of metal about 1/8 th in. thick tapered on the sides that fits flush in the hole in lower plate.
Lay a piece of light tim on the jig and center the top and hammer or press them together and it will form a dish in the tin.
Then slit the corners and bend about 1/8 th in of the edges up.
Then drill a hole or two depending how many tubes ya want in the end and solder the tube in as shown.
Put a bead of high temp silicone around the inside edge of the plate as shown and lay a piece of copper or pop can tin in and bend the edges over and squeeze them down with a pliers.
Let the silicone dry as i didn`t because i wanted to get this video done for this thread and it sprung a small leak.
Prime the engine, be sure the boiler is full and water is coming out the tube. Hold your finger over the end of the tube and put in the water.
Put a candle under the boiler and test run.
If ya have any questions ask away and i`ll try and answer the best i can.
Tube size and the number of tubes is up to you, this size engine normally would have two tubes half as big as the one i put on it, seems to work fine.

Video

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:12 pm

Made a canoe yesterday that is going to be fast.

It has only one tube.
I also made a three tube solid boiler that runs nice and will post it later.

video.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:31 pm

This is fascinating. I wonder how large this could be scaled up? For example, could it be scaled up to the size of a one-man boat?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:19 pm

KirkD wrote:This is fascinating. I wonder how large this could be scaled up? For example, could it be scaled up to the size of a one-man boat?

You know me bro, i`m going to find out one of these days.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:52 pm

I know you will make 'em go. There was a discussion on the British site stating that they don't scale up because you lose efficiency when you enlarge the piping. I was wondering why you couldn't constrict the outlet for the venturi effect, increasing thrust. Might take some flapper valving or something to control back pressure and water flows.

Here's another power scow picture, this one anchored up in my back yard during the dog salmon gill net fishery.
This one seems to be set up for refrigerated seawater to hold the catch. It's a well known part of the fishing fleet. You can see the wood hull form. They evolved from unpowered salmon trap tenders that were tugged around to the spots to collect the fish from the fish weirs and wheels.

Betcha never thought I'd say anything nice about evolution, eh?

Thanks for sharing your boats and motors. How long until the pond thaws?

Grizz

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Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:26 pm

Thanks Grizz and cool picture

It will be end of March or April before that skating ring thaws out , depending on the weather.

I read a little about big engines and the one i saw only pulesed once every four seconds.
But if the pulse was big enough with a couple tubes and ya were on calm water it might move ya.
It will be a fun project neverless.

J35 · Post by **J35** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:20 pm

Pitchy-- you must have a lot of will- power I would have had to fill the bathtub at least once by now.

--J

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:58 pm

J35nut wrote:Pitchy-- you must have a lot of will- power I would have had to fill the bathtub at least once by now.

--J

If we had a bath tub i would

only a shower, that`s like a beached boat in a rain storm.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:16 pm

Well Grizz what ya think.

Three tube engine.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:30 pm

Man O man Pitchy

I think you did great!!!! You definitely have an eye for proportion. That just looks so cool!!

Can't wait to see it running the pond with the fleet. By the time the thaw happens you'll need a bigger pond!

That is really outstanding.

Grizz

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:34 pm

Thanks pard.

Hayseed · Post by **Hayseed** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:29 pm

Awesome Bud !!

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:04 pm

So does the third tube make it go faster or slower?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:47 pm

FWiedner wrote:So does the third tube make it go faster or slower?

Don`t know about faster but hopefully it will help give it enough power to move that tub.

Thanks guys.

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:00 pm

Pitchy your gonna have to flood that rink of yours & start your engines & see if they can
cross the rink befor they freeze in,( New Idea build a ice breaker)

ollogger

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:25 am

Pitchy, your latest boat would look right at home in the Bering Sea. AWESOME!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:44 am

Thanks ollogger and Bill

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:56 am

Added a white stripe on the front and name.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:37 pm

I wish I had just half of your ship building ability Pitchy, sadly I ain't so I have ordered another Pop Pop to race my old one....

Still can't get the photos on photobucket....

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:50 pm

Pitchy,

My put-put boat. Sitting under cover waiting for more building weather. I plan to make a scale model and you've inspired me to make a pop-pop drive. Can't wait to pull into an anchorage in the wilderness and put the model overboard. pop pop pop pop pop

Thanks for the info

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J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:17 pm

Pitchy,

You got the neatest toys. If there is ANY way I can do it, I'm gonna come up for a visit this year.

Joe

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:21 pm

Be glad to see ya Joe.

Grizz that`s a neat lookin boat and glad ya all have enjoyed this adventure

Gamekeeped, PB bites and i don`t know how to get to my pictures.
I tried the download album feature but it didn`t work either.
Guess ya gotta go buy a new putor and have lightening fast internet for it to work.