Guide gun ramp fell off, but luckily I had a broken tap

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Guide gun ramp fell off, but luckily I had a broken tap

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Sometimes you have to realize that the layperson or average observer might not grasp the 'subtleties of expertise' you exhibit when doing kitchen table gunsmithing.

When I appeared to break off the taper tap in the Puma I was installing a Williams sight on a couple weeks ago, what ACTUALLY was happening was that I was simply saving money by not buying engraving tools - I actually planned all along on using the broken tap to engrave the receiver with an old family symbol - sort of a wheat stalk on it's side. I did a VERY good job of that engraving, making SURE it would be visible even after sight installation, and that it was really really deep, too! I also took the opportunity to teach my son some new 'vocabulary' words. So, the true kitchen table gunsmith can multitask!

Yesterday I spied a .45-70-SS Guide gun on the 'used' rack, and although stainless is hard to tell wear and tear on, this one didn't have any other 'family symbols' on it, or any messed up screws, and there appeared to be minimal wear; the price was great, so without hesitation I bought it. (Actually I did have hesitation, because the wife was home, and I didn't have the usual 'old gun case' all scruffed up that comes in handy to take 'that old gun I've had for years' into the house inconspicuously. :wink: )

When I went to put a Williams on it, I decided to use the top-mount type, so I didn't need to drill, but I did need to exchange the front bead. No problem, right? I had a couple firesight beads that were taller.

That's when I found out why the gun was so cheap. One light tap on the sight, and the whole ramp fell off, complete with super-glue residue.

However, the screws appeared in good shape, although only protruding below the ramp for maybe 1/48" (one thread). No problem, I used a chain-saw sharpening stone to countersink the ramp holes so the screws protruded more appropriately. Now for the tapping/thread repair (holes were so buggered up I couldn't tell if they had really even been tapped). I picked out the remnants of glue from the holes (more vocabulary words), then prepared to tap to the bottom of the dead-end holes. Now, as an amateur gunsmith, of course I didn't have a bottom tap - or so it would seem to the casual observer.

Here's where you see the carefully hidden genius of it all. Back when I broke that tap on the Puma, and it appeared to be a simple accident - THAT was me, 'making' my bottom tap. A few minutes with the diamond stone chainsaw sharpener, and it was ground flat on the end. (I'll admit, I didn't break it off perfectly flat as planned when 'engraving' the Puma with it, but it DID do a better job of DEEPLY engraving the receiver since it broke off with a nice pointy tip.)

Anyway, bottom tap freshly made, threads repaired, and I figure that 2 hours of work, extra vocabulary word practice, and one scratch on the Puma (I'll tell my grandkids that it was from a bear claw), and it saved me about $200 over what I'd have had to pay for a new Guide Gun.

Besides, I'll bet the ramp was that way from the factory, and the first guy who owned the gun probably shot it and it fell off, so he quickly glued it on and sold the gun.

So, in a way, it worked out that I broke the tap on the Puma!
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:lol: Although I've never taken up engraving I have found that some so-called errors are blessings in disguise.

Ok, so now where are the pics of the guide gun? (please, we'd prefer not to hear audio of the vocabularly lesson). :lol:
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I'll try to post pics this weekend. I'll even post the Puma engraving...

Whenever I use that Puma, I will see that scratch, and it will remind me to be humble.

Whenever I use the Guide Gun, I will see the front sight (hopefully not flying off up in the air), and it will remind me that once in awhile, I can actually fix something.

So, like many of the guns we own during our lives, there's always a story, or a lesson they can tell us.
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AJMD429 wrote:So, like many of the guns we own during our lives, there's always a story, or a lesson they can tell us.
That is so true. I've learned a LOT of lessons... :roll: :lol:
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nicely written but why is it in the classifieds?
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rjohns94 wrote:nicely written but why is it in the classifieds?
Whatcha talkin' about? :roll: :lol: Yeah, it is moved now...
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:lol: Sounds like something I would do. :lol:
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Pop used to tell me the difference between a Master and Apprentice, was the Master knew how to hide the mistakes and even make them look innovative.
Enjoyed the telling of that story of yours..Thanks
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That was good for a laugh.

I'm still to chicken to mount the tang sight on my 1895 that I've had for six months.

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Even if you mess it up a little bit, the satisfaction and learning from doing it yourself is worthwhile. Of course, sometimes I've had to loosen my definition of "a little bit" to keep from being depressed!
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Great story and read, Wish I could say I haven’t made some of the same mistakes.
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AJMD429, Thanks for the laugh, I too can relate.
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[I also took the opportunity to teach my son some new 'vocabulary' words.]

AHA ! ! So.....THAT'S how you had the $$$$$ for the Guide Gun ! Yore $0.25 cuss jar was plum full ! ;) :lol:

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Put a bit of Red loctitie on the front ramp (not in the screw holes!!) and you shouldn't have to worry about the ramp coming off :shock:
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Thanks for the story.
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OK, I finally got around to the pictures... :oops:

The Marlin .45-70 Guide Gun and the Puma 454 Casull...

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The rear sight I installed on the Guide Gun - a Williams WGRS - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=945296

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The view through the Williams WGRS (aperture removed for 'ghost ring' mode)

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I put the Firesight (came with the Williams WGRS as an option) on the ported Guide Gun
(I don't really mind the ports since I wear hearing protectors anyway - I'm not sure they're all that necessary for recoil though).

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The Williams FP 'side-mount' I put on the Puma - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=712881

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(Note you can put the Williams FP 'top-mount' type on Marlins without drilling & tapping - http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=799753)

The view through the Williams FP is great (aperture also out for 'ghost ring' mode). I didn't try to put a Firesight on the Puma due to the type front sight it has.

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The view from the left side shows my impromptu engraving... :oops:

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Anyway, I just thought some might like the pics and they do kind of show the 'ghost ring' view for those folks who may not have actually tried a ghost ring setup.
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I bet if you really wanted to you could buff those bear claw marks off the side.


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Your front ramp experience is exactly why I bought a Williams sight pusher tool, twenty-five years ago.

I don't even wanna think about the agita it's saved me, over those years !

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Great story and end result!
Rusty wrote:I bet if you really wanted to you could buff those bear claw marks off the side.
As John Candy said in Planes, Trains and Automobiles:
Oh yeah, they can buff that right out!

I can't tell you the number of time our family has used that line... :lol:
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Yes..........

As the beer commercial on TV states.

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Excellent story.

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Rusty wrote:I bet if you really wanted to you could buff those bear claw marks off the side.
...'bear claw' marks...hmmm...

Maybe I'll just leave them there, and tell the grandkids about the big bears what used to live in Indiana when I was growin' up...! :lol:
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