OT - Lead scare tactic

[deerwhacker444]

Here we go. The media is going to try and "warm" the public up for a ban on lead, I can already see it coming.

MSNBC Article

[Hobie]

This has been going on since they banned lead shot. Other states have banned lead sinkers, etc. and looked at banning lead bullets AND the EPA just reduced the allowable amounts of airborne lead such that all gasoline will have to be reformulated. So, if you haven't already, open your eyes guys.

[PaperPatch]

I must be a simple-minded fella.

The way I see it....lead is extracted from the earth as a naturally occuring mineral. It is then formed, cast and shaped into many usefull things; bullets for example. These bullets then are fired; the majority I believe right back into the earth.

Aren't we just recycling then???

[J Miller]

This has been going on since they banned lead shot. Other states have banned lead sinkers, etc. and looked at banning lead bullets AND the EPA just reduced the allowable amounts of airborne lead such that all gasoline will have to be reformulated. So, if you haven't already, open your eyes guys.

Why should gasoline have to be "reformulated"? Isn't it already UNleaded?

As far as I can see, our sport is being killed off. All the regulations that prevent our use of the guns we have is no different than banning them. When lead is banned from all ammo, what are we going to shoot? Yes there is other metals, but none that are readily available and cheap enough to make our sport affordable to all. And that's the point. Our sport must be readily available to all or it's dead.

Joe

[AJMD429]

I believe only dissolved or soluble lead salts are toxic, and metallic lead doesn't just dissolve throughout tissue in game shot with lead bullets, nor does much if any of it dissolve and get absorbed when ingested in metallic form. Sure, I'd not recommend eating metallic lead on a chronic basis, but I think the ingestion of a lead pellet once in awhile would be no problem.

Now, the 'fuzz' on old bullets is likely a soluble salt/oxide, and very dangerous, and lead compounds from paint or industry may be so as well.

I did like the plug for our friends at Barnes, though.

[Hobie]

You guys are confusing science with popular culture, myth and superstition. You are all intelligent enough to know that is wrong. Popular culture, myth and superstition are what is correct in this matter...

[mescalero1]

All those years of schlepping that lead around are finally going to pay off.

[Sixgun]

Can't figure this trash out. I have been handling lead since I was a kid on plumb near an everyday basis. I get tested yearly and my count is a high normal. Doc says its good.

If only people would feed their kids food instead of telling them to eat the windowsills.

I am a bit concerned about that third ear thats growing out of my armpit though.--------Sixgun

[mescalero1]

That's from recoil

[marlinman93]

There's more lead ingested than there is airborne lead taken in! Airborne lead particles quickly settle to the ground, and the issues with airborne lead are over blown. Many tests have shown that workers who are in constant contact with lead, (i.e.-bridge and structures painted with lead) are more likely to ingest levels of lead by not washing before eating, than they would ever inhale.
This is a bigger hoax than asbestos, and the only thing that will come from it is abatement companies will get rich removing lead based products from buildings, structures, and the earth.

[adirondakjack]

One of the problems defending lead is that the lead industry, particularly a company called National Lead, and it's successor, Sherwin-Williams, (and another called Dupont) has done a masterful job of BALD FACED LYING and BRIBERY for oh, 100 years, and their "cred" is exhausted. Yep, the same company that gave us the little dutch boy mixing lead powder to make paint and almost licking the brush, coloring books urging kids to get their parents to buy them paint to brighten their rooms, etc were a conscious campaign to promote the use of lead BY KIDS in the US, at a time when European countries had outlawed it's use in paint (1918), and we didn't until 1968, even then minimizing the risks by lying, relying on dubious testimony from professional quacks who testified before congress that lead was "naturally produced in the kidneys and liver" and was not a health threat, when NL KNEW their own workers often died of liver, kidney and brain disease if overexposed to ingested oxides of lead (white or red lead paint powder). The same NL later produced another "benign" product, depleted urainium ammo, at a local Colonie NY plant, where a leukimia and other cancer cluster exists in the RESIDENTIAL neighborhood where the machining was done. The US Government was the end user, so they got help burying most of the claims for a long time. Folks were threatened if they were to talk, etc.

SOOOOOO, once the lead industry's bonafides is totally blown, AND they are, the experts DEFENDING lead in any way shape form or manner are ASSUMED to be lying. No amount of testimony from docs who followed gunshot victims with inoperable bullets "in situ" in their bodies for decades with NO ILL EFFECTS is gonna convince em that metallic lead is relatively safe (probably safer than spun aluminum, if the alzheimers studies are to e believed).

The LEAD industry dug their own graves. HCI et-al are just shovelling the dirt on top the corpse after it dove headlong into the ditch by their own acts. MAYBE most of us will be gone before they wipe out all lead (in handloading, etc) but the day will come, sure as the day came they stopped using pewter cups.....

[adirondakjack]

Can't figure this trash out. I have been handling lead since I was a kid on plumb near an everyday basis. I get tested yearly and my count is a high normal. Doc says its good.

If only people would feed their kids food instead of telling them to eat the windowsills.

I am a bit concerned about that third ear thats growing out of my armpit though.--------Sixgun

Kids get lead from the SOIL in their yards, particularly in the yards around NICE older homes in towns across america. Homes that were frequently stripped and painted. Where do ya think that lead is? In the soil in the yard. Toddlers should not be allowed to play in dirt with no grass covering it, especially within 10-15 feet of wood framed building 100 or so years old. Buy em play sand.

But POOR kids in cities suffer more from brake dust and RUBBER dust from overhead freeways etc than they ever will from lead (athsma rates near urban freeways are very high).

[JP_TX]

To paraphrase Gandi, "Several hundred thousand people can not be controlled by a few hundred UNLESS, they co-operate."

When Jimmy Carter passed the 55 MPH national speed limit do you think that every driver began to obey the law? No. Laws that oppress the people are ignored and only serve to create a nation of law breakers.

Civil disobedience will be called for during the next two years if Barak Obama is elected president. I would worry less about how to obey an oppressive law than how to resist an OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT! The Constitution stipulates that the Federal government is the servant of the people. Not the other way around.

Stand up and resist those changes that are coming. It's your country you're not guests in your own house.

Think about it.

JP

[RSY]

This is a bigger hoax than asbestos, and the only thing that will come from it is abatement companies will get rich removing lead based products from buildings, structures, and the earth.

You got that right.

Use your Google Earth (or whatever) and go to:

38 5'25.47"N
122 16'39.57"W

That is the berm of the old Marine Corps KD 500 meter rifle range I used to shoot on at the former Mare Island Naval Shipyard. That range has been in use for a long, long, lonnnnnggg time. Mare Island is where the Marine Corps' west coast boot camp was before MCRD San Diego was built in the 1920s. After that, it served as a Marine Barracks and later as the Battalion HQ for Marine Corps Security Forces Pac. That's a lot of lead, admittedly. The resulting question: So what???

http://www.westonsolutions.com/projects ... island.htm

The company above removed 30,000 cubic yards of earth from that range to mitigate all the supposed "danger" since houses are being built within a 1,000 foot radius. Utterly ridiculous! Who cares? Unless they're gonna be drinking shallow well water or eating berm dirt, doesn't a modicum of intelligence tell you that there's no real problem there???

Scott