Seeking 45-70 Hunting Data from you

[86er]

If you have used a 45-70 to take an animal over 300 pounds and at a range of more than 45 yards in the past two years please let me know the:
bullet manufacturer
bullet weight
velocity
range
pass through or not
expansion

Thanks

[86er]

In response to my own post:

All bullets are Kodiak Bullet - 2006 fps average - 405 grain
April 2008
Nilgai 528 pounds 60 yds pass through

May 2008
Blesbok - 120 pds 100 yds lodged in opposite shoulder .90"+
Zebra - 650 pds 75 yds pass through
Gemsbok - 470 pds 174 yds lodged under skin opposite side .90"+
Blue Wildebeest - 800 pds 80 yds pass through
Eland - 1674 pds - 55 yds penetrated 30.5" .90"+

350 grain Kodiak bullet @ 2200 fps

August 2008
Longhorn Cattle - 830 pds - 100 yds lodged under skin opposite shoulder .72"

[awp101]

In response to my own post

Glad to see I'm not the only one who talks to himself...

[rjohns94]

Bison 1200#?- 75 yards - pass through, spine shot - 500 grain lead round nose - 1350fps

Whitetail 200#, 60 yards - three shots, same hole, 405 grain Remington Green box - pass through.

[Warhawk]

More than two years ago, and not 300# but here goes anyway.

Kansas whitetail buck, approx 275#
quartering toward me, head down feeding. Shot from slightly elevated position.
Shot in the base of the neck, bullet hit the spine and exited behind the left shoulder.
The deer fell in it's tracks. Bone fragments found all along wound channel.

bullet manufacturer: Remington
bullet weight: 405 JSP
velocity: ~1800 fps (55 grains of H335)
range: 125 yards
pass through or not: pass thru
expansion: unknown

[Blaine]

Hit a nice blacktail from above and between the shoulder blades, snapped spine, turned south and found it lodged in pelvis, so I guess you could say it penetrated about 4' of deer after going thru bone. Prolly an easy pass thru if it had been almost any other angle.

Federal Factory with the 300 grain HotCor bullet, muz. vel of 1881fps IIRC. I don't have scales that will measure that heavy, but it looks like a near perfect mushroom and most of the mass seems to be there. That deer was hammered straight down and never twitched. This was prolly about a 40yd shot....maybe a hair less.

[2X22]

If you have used a 45-70 to take an animal over 300 pounds and at a range of more than 45 yards in the past two years please let me know the:
bullet manufacturer
bullet weight
velocity
range
pass through or not
expansion

RCBS 45-405
425grs
1512fps
80 yards
Bullet exited
No bullet, no idea!

Oh, a 5 point Roosevelt bull elk, live weight prob'ly 'bout 500lbs or a bit more.

2x22

[Bear 45/70]

I've never recovered one of my 405 LFN 45/70 rounds. I don't hunt bears so deer is all I shoot but I shot one in the chest between the fore legs and the bullet exited it's right haunch, better than 4' later.

405 LFN by Aardvark Bullets
40 grains of H-4198
magnum primer
Lee FCD
1600 fps @ the muzzle of my 1895SS and my Ruger #1

There are bears around here and I have no doubts about being able to stop one if necessary.

[alnitak]

Joe,

I used a Garrett 420 grain +P Hammerhead moving at 1850 fps to take the bison with you last August. It wasn't a long shot (about 45 yards). Took out both lungs and the far shoulder. No bullet recovered -- passed through entirely.

Bruce

[dkmlever]

One cow elk, about 120 yards, Ruger #3 Federal factor ammo 300 gr JHP, hit in the lungs, exited, no bullet recovered.
Second cow elk, same rifle same ammo, hit in the ear at 90 yards no exit but I fished around and could not find any bullet pieces in the brain.

[Modoc ED]

More than two years ago, and not 300# but here goes anyway.

Kansas whitetail buck, approx 275#
quartering toward me, head down feeding. Shot from slightly elevated position.
Shot in the base of the neck, bullet hit the spine and exited behind the left shoulder.
The deer fell in it's tracks. Bone fragments found all along wound channel.

bullet manufacturer: Remington
bullet weight: 405 JSP
velocity: ~1800 fps
range: 125 yards
pass through or not: pass thru
expansion: unknown

Was that a factory loaded round or a handloaded round?

[madman4570]

415 pound Black Bear
Ruger #1 26" barrel
Bullet Weight-400 gr Belt Mountain Punch
Velocity-2130 fps
60 yards

This bullet is amazing!!! I have never used anything like it before.
Front shoulder hit -complete pass through broke both shoulders and destroyed
everything in between.bear went 6 yards
I would use this on ANY BIG Tough animal,ANYWHERE!!!

[Mike Rintoul]

Bison 60 yards 1200 pounds

45-70 300 grain monolithic Hex-onic Rocket bullet at 2200 fps. Shoulder to shoulder without exits, expanded petals to 8/10th inch.

[madman4570]

Mike Rintoul, This is a small world.
Your ammo is what I used and I honestly have to say whatever you did
your company has really come up with something in this round.

I have done some of my own informal testing and this ammo out penetrates my hot
FMC bullets out of my 375H&H . My friends did not believe it until they seen it
with their own eyes.
Again I feel that ammo would take cape buff/elephant/rhino etc.

PLEASE keep making those PUNCH BULLETS!!!
THANKS!!!

[madman4570]

Mike,
I meant keep making your ammo with those Belt Mountain Punch Bullets.
Regards

[Bear 45/70]

415 pound Black Bear
Ruger #1 26" barrel
Bullet Weight-400 gr Belt Mountain Punch
Velocity-2130 fps
60 yards

This bullet is amazing!!! I have never used anything like it before.
Front shoulder hit -complete pass through broke both shoulders and destroyed
everything in between.bear went 6 yards
I would use this on ANY BIG Tough animal,ANYWHERE!!!

Where did you get a #1 with a 26" barrel? Everyone I've ever come across including the one I own is a 22". I agree with the "ANY BIG Tough animal, ANYWHERE!!!" statement.

[maddog]

Nosler
300 gr. partition
vel: 1950 fps

Animals taken July 2008, Limpopo,RSA

impala 50 yds., passthrough 120 lbs.
zebra 80-150 yds. 3 bullets lodged offside 600 lbs
blesbok 60 yds. passthrough 140 lbs.
gemsbok 75 yds. passthrough 400 lbs.
kudu 65 yds 1 bullet passthrough, finisher lodged in offside under skin 550 lbs
blue wildebeast 90 yds. passthrough 450 lbs.
warthog 45 yds. passthrough 160 lbs.

Here is a pic of the only noslers I have ever recovered.



3 from zebra[long story], and 1 from kudu

maddog

[AndyM]

whitetail doe
350 gr. Hornady FP
Reloader 7 powder
Rem. brass
CCI LR primer
Lee Factory crimp

pass through, dropped on the spot, about 65 yards
going about 1900 fps

[madman4570]

Bear 45/70,

ya, I dont think Ruger ever made a factory 26 incher.
Mine was originally a 24 incher. I have had this baby about 40 years.
This first barrel was a heavy 24 inch sporter(Ruger#1S-24-H)
The reason I changed it ,years ago a close friend of mine was
a prior gunsmith for the old Ithaca Gun Company and he talked me into putting a 26 inch
ported barrel on it.If I remember correctly he charged me $140.00 and alot of beer!!!
Mine has about the nicest wood I have yet to see on one.
I also have one in 7mm mag (1985) I really wanted it in 264 win mag but they couldnt get it then.

Regards!!

[marlinman93]

Have they gotten tougher, or weaker in the last two years?

[2ndovc]

Hey Joe,

It was about half of your weight restriction but you saw what
a 405 Gr hardcast GC over 48 grains of Varget did to that
Fallow deer.
Zipped through like a lazer. She took one step and fell down.

You still owe me a photo!

jason

[madman4570]

Can anyone that owns the Marlin XLR 24" 45/70
tell me how this gun is working for them?

I really want one of these guys.
Also is it holding up ok with hot loads?