Baikal Double Rifle is Back !

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Baikal Double Rifle is Back !

#1 Post by crs » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:29 am

It is now known as the MP 221 and is available through USSG Inc., apparently a division of EAA Corporation.
Here is a link to the USSG web site, which looks like a clone of the EAA site.
http://www.ussginc.com/index.html
http://www.eaacorp.com/

I discovered this while reading very current posts on the 24 Hour campfire, where there was considerable knowledge based on ownership of these doubles. Much of this is worth reading for those interested in .45-70 double rifles, the European calibers that may also be imported, as well as US calibers that may be added to the line (like .405 WCF). There is even an explanation as to why the Beeman air rifle scope mounts fit the rifle and are tough enough to handle the recoil(again, by an owner that has done it).

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthrea ... ost2819861


If you enjoy this read, follow the link to a post on Kifaru.com where there is an exhaustive discussion of the strength of the MP 221 action. You may also want to follow the suggestion of one of the posts and email USSG from their web site and request your favorite caliber to be imported to the US. I have already sent in my email, asking them to import a .405 WCF throated to handle the 400 grain Woodleigh and Hornady bullets. :)
Enjoy!

PS Imagine one of these loaded with your favorite expanding or solid bullet (or one of each)!
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#2 Post by Thunder50 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:40 am

Don't think I will hold my breath for these. I waited years for the 45-70 double rifle and never found one. Saw one at the Tulsa show and understand a few made it in. Hope they do make it.

A 35 Whelen double rifle would be nice to have.
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#3 Post by 86er » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:59 am

USSG is the company that imports Remington's 798 and 799 rifles. I met up with them at the SHOT show and was on their review team. Don't get too excited about the Baikal 45-70 and 30-06. They are, uh, junk. However, the Sabatti double rifles are pretty darn good. They are putting cheap plastic fiber optic rear and front sights on them. The ejectors are not polished or hand timed. These can be fixed very easily. The retail price on them is only in the low $6000 range so they are a good deal for the money and come in 450NE and other useful calibers!
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#4 Post by crs » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:14 am

86er,
They may be junk to some people, but they are not expensive and many of the owners seem to be having FUN with them.
It was interesting to read what Sundles had to say about them - that they are completely safe for his .45-70 ammo at 40,000 PSI.

Like I said, there is a lot of current buzz about them just now and if USSg does not pull a Remington (get the distribution rights and not distribute the guns), there will soon be plenty of them in circulation and lots of evidence as to whether they are worth the $600 dollars that some have paid for them.

+1 on the Sabatti doubles - they look nice and come in African calibers. I do not know their price, but it must be well below that of most doubles in those calibers, because none of the African Hunting Cognescenti ever seems to mention them. It seems that anything less than $10,000 is of no interest to them.
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#5 Post by TedH » Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:35 pm

I wouldn't mind having one in 45-70 to play with, but I couldn't get too excited about one. From what I have read about them, it sounds like you may as well plan on a lot of tinkering, repairing, adjusting, etc, just to get one to shoot acceptably. Not to mention they are not a very nice looking rifle, somewhat utilitarian and unfinished. But still, I'd prolly buy one if I came across one at the right price.
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#6 Post by rjohns94 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:12 pm

i had one in 30-06. I was just not very happy with it. Lots of things that I didn't like, though it shot ok. There was no pride in ownership and it did not last long after the trial date.
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#7 Post by Pete44ru » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:30 am

I never got either the .30-06 or the .45-70, both of which I ordered with a 100% deposit, after more than a year and a half of waiting/calling/getting excuses.

When I first ordered, EAA was the "importer, but kept making excuses for them not being incountry yet & sayin "they should be in by next week" etc - first to my ordering FFL, and then to the both of us during a conference call a year later.
THEN EAA told us that Remington was assuming importation, so we switched the order to them - also to no avail.

After six months of THAT, my FFL refunded my $$$, and I bought other guns.

Today, since I've soured on them and the way they do business, I wouldn't take one for free.

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#8 Post by Hagler » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:30 am

Well, gents, did you notice these?:

http://www.ussginc.com/parts-more-acces ... serts.html

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"Barrel Inserts
Now you can convert your IZH43, IZH43K, IZH43KH, or MP213 to a side by side rifle or rifle/shotgun combo. The insert system holds the rifle barrel inside the shotgun barrel at the muzzle and breach. Thus, creating a more accurate rifle than traditional side by side rifles. Calibers: (45-70, .308 WIN, .222, .223). NOTE: The barrel insert will only work on the above model shotguns that have the following features: 20-12ga/2.75 barrel, factory installed screw chokes and extractor.

.45-70 $159 (price per barrel)"


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#9 Post by 1886 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:48 pm

I saw two Remingtons today, both .30-06. One used and one new. Neither lasted long. Both priced in the $750.00-$795.00 range respectively. 1886.

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#10 Post by Paladin » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:02 am

As long as it took me to get my co-pilot I don’t think I could live long enough to afford a $6000 double. Even if I did I would be afraid to use it for fear of scratching it.
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#11 Post by rjohns94 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:21 pm

Paladin. Like you, I never thought I would own a WWG Co pilot, and I always wanted a double rifle. Now I have both. it was worth the wait. Good luck in finding a way to make that double come to you.
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