Temptation and the Cimarron '76 NWMP Carbine

[KirkD]

Gentlemen, it is seldom that I am tempted by a modern-made rifle, but this time the temptation has been quite strong. I must take responsibility for leading myself into temptation when I went to one of those internet sites last evening where one can see things that cause a man to struggle greatly ...... specifically, http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/Repeat ... arbine.htm . I have to take my hat off to Uberti, the company that made these rifles. They used an original and built a modern reproduction and, have mercy on us all, it is one gorgeous reproduction. I know that there are some of you out there who are contemplating the acquisition of yet another levergun. Look no further. You need one of these. As for myself, I am desperately trying to fight off the temptation. Thankfully, I've got a very flat wallet right now, so for the time being I might not fall. However, I might not always have a flat wallet and I don't see my mind forgetting the Cimarron NWMP '76 carbine anytime soon. If I do buy a modern levergun, this just might be the one that takes me down.

[.45colt]

Kirk I feel Your pain. . I watched Crossfire trail again the other day and that rifle sure looks "right"....... I can't wait for Your test report. .

[RIHMFIRE]

I HAVE BEEN EYEING ONE OF THOSE TOO....
I THINK UBERTIS STUFF IS TOP NOTCH!

YA KNOW THERE IS NO CURE FOR LEVERITIS

[COSteve]

I looked over one of Uberti's 1873 Deluxe Sporting Rifle 24" Barrel a few weeks ago and it was absolutely gorgeous! However, the $1,300+ price puts it far out of my reach. A good friend who shoots Cowboy Action has their 20" short rifle with a gen 3 short throw action that is slick as anything. He's got a ton of money in it too.

[Mike D.]

I already have a Chaparral RCMP carbine that seems fine to me. I paid somewhat south of what Uberti wants for theirs, but maybe the overall quality of their product is superior. If they offer the SRC in .50-95, well.....

[Buck Elliott]

My next "must have" is a '76 carbine in .45-60.

Somehow the .45-75 just never showed me anything that much better...

A man can load either with 325- or 350-gr. cast bullets, and get almost the same ballistics from either round in a '76, without straining anything -- maybe easier with the .45-60.

Just my two-bits...

[KirkD]

That link in my first post shows that the Cimarron '76 carbine is available in either .45-60 or .45-75. I would probably get the .45-60, since I already have the dies, mould, and brass for my original .45-60. Today I stopped by the local Place of Temptation (the gun store) and, glory be!, they had a Uberti '76. I looked it over and was very impressed. The fit and finish on this one was equal to the original Winchesters, with wood tight to metal and slightly proud.

[rangerider7]

Cimarron's that I have are very good. I did have one though that I would not recomend; that is the 92s. They are not made by Uberti and still have problems. They look good but the quality is not there.

[KirkD]

Buck, I think you are right about the .45-60. The wall thickness is greater, so it can handle a higher pressure than the .45-75 (although the .45-75 has a larger case capacity), and the .45-60 has the same action, so it will handle the same recoil as the .45-75. Nevertheless, 1,300 fps with a 300 grain cast bullet is plenty for me.

[Hobie]

Would that equality of performance apply with BP?

[Old Time Hunter]

Darn, they sure are lookers! Love that N.W.M.P., personally I'd get it in .45-75 because isn't that the way the RCMP ordered them?

[Ysabel Kid]

So let me get this straight Kirk. You are thankful your wallet is "flat" right now?

[hondo1892]

Kirk have you ever had a chance of to try any new loads for your 1876? I know what you mean about the 76 carbines. I wish I had waited a little longer and I would have went with the carbine instead of the rifle. I really like the full stock.

[Ben_Rumson]

45-60 case capacity would probably be better for smokeless..Knee mail sent for you brother..

[ole pizen slinger]

For those that want an original...

http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/1876-winc ... police.htm

Enjoy temptation boys!
ole pizen slinger

[Mike D.]

I fired my Chaparral .45-75 for the first time this afternoon. The much discussed 45 grain load of IMR3031 left much to be desired. The MV was 1350+ FPs, but the cases were sooty and did not fully form against the chamber walls. It is a highly inaccurate and unpredictable load. A much better result came from the use of a 5 grain less charge of IMR4198. MV increased 400 FPS and accuracy improved significantly. This load performed perfectly in my rifle. Cases ejected easily and showed no obvious signs of pressure. The rounds were loaded into the magazine and fired as the rifle will be used, not single loaded for test purposes.

[KirkD]

Kirk have you ever had a chance of to try any new loads for your 1876?

Hondo, I did do a bunch of work earlier this summer, attempting to develop loads using IMR SR54759 and IMR4227. Unfortunately, after I had finished, I found out that the loads were very position sensitive, with the velocities increasing a full 200 fps if the gun was not first pointed down (like I'd been doing when shooting downward over my chronograph when developing the loads. Lesson learned. Always try some shots with the powder forward and then some more shots with the powder back, when developing a new load that does not fill the case well. My standby load using 5744 does not have that problem. However, 4759 and 4227 will either need filler, or must be abandoned.

[KirkD]

..Knee mail sent for you brother..

Ben, you'd better start praying a little harder. I'm slipping fast. I actually found a Canadian distributer and talked to him today. I can have one in my hands in a few weeks, but I'm still fighting the temptation, but getting weaker. I'm going down for the 10-count. I've even figured how I can fund it (bye bye one of my original Winchester Model 53's). This is the most desirable modern-built rifle (next to a Shiloh Sharps) that I've come across in years. I'm thinking .45-60 since I already have all the dies and components. However, just in case I went with the .45-75, what cast bullet mould do fellows recommend?

Boys, you got to help me not buy this gun!

[Ysabel Kid]

Boys, you got to help me not buy this gun!

From this bunch of enablers? Must be getting pretty cold up there already - it's freezing your brain Kirk!!!