Pedersoli's new M71 but in 45-70

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I finally found the info on this gun. I had a chance to handle one at the SHOT show. As usually Pedersoli's fit and finish is top shelf.

I still don't have the MSRP but plan on it being at least 20% more than the Chiappa Armi-Sport in the $1200 to $1400 range.
I scanned the brochure so the pictures aren't that great.

[RKrodle]

Not a bad looking rifle. I would like to see and hold one.

[model55]

I think I'm in lust!

[2X22]

Oh my.................

I gotta get me one...........maybe two..............oh my.............

Gotta get one gotta get one........

2x22

[.45colt]

Wow,That's a beaut! Thank You Steve. Did You ever Hear back from EMF about them Yet? just last week I contacted Turnbull's about converting an '86 extra-lite to get rid of the rebounding hammer and saftey. no need to go that way now. wonder when these will be available?.

[tman]

like to see a run made in.348wcf. just to revive the old cartridge. maybe get federal and hornanday and remington to load some to get the price down and the availability up. nice looking arm.

[TedH]

like to see a run made in.348wcf. just to revive the old cartridge. .

+1

[Leverluver]

Long tang.....outstanding. The buttplate/pad? will tke some getting used to though.

[mod71alaska]

WOW!!!! I'd REALLY like to have one of these new 71s in 45-70! I'm already checking my mental inventory to see what else I can sell. I'd like the 71 under the D. Pedersoli name, too, and not an importers. Once in production I'll bet other calibers will follow. Even if not, just having the Model 71 available again and this time in 45-70...SO NICE!!!

[kimwcook]

Pretty cool. I wonder where they're hiding the safety.

Mod 71, I don't understand your statement about not being from an importer. They'd be imported unless I'm in the dark about Pedersoli manufacturing in the U.S.A.

[CaptainFinn]

If it's in 45-70 then why are they referring to it as a Model 71 ? I thought the 71 was exclusively in .348 ?

And unless I'm blind, there seems to be a front sling swivel stud but no rear swivel....

Hope this one makes it over here. Pedersoli makes some darn nice guns.

[edsguns]

They're calling it a model 1886/mod 71. Interesting.... I reckon that's how they will sell'em in both .348 and 45-70. Either way she's pretty darn pretty to me!

[Rimfire McNutjob]

At $55 per 20 of factory .348 WCF, I think they'd be crazy to offer it in that chambering. The 45-70 makes far more sense.

[jnyork]

At $55 per 20 of factory .348 WCF, I think they'd be crazy to offer it in that chambering. The 45-70 makes far more sense.

Nothing that cant be cured with a set of dies and a bullet mold.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

At $55 per 20 of factory .348 WCF, I think they'd be crazy to offer it in that chambering. The 45-70 makes far more sense.

Nothing that cant be cured with a set of dies and a bullet mold.

True. Which makes it kind of a mail order gun for those who handload. If there were two in a retail shop, and a guy inquired about them and then looked at ammo for the 45-70 and then looked and failed to find the .348 WCF or found the box labeled $55, I think the 45-70 would win out every time. If this is just a gun to be special ordered, then handloaders won't have a problem with the traditional chambering. I guess it depends on how they plan to go to market.

[tman]

At $55 per 20 of factory .348 WCF, I think they'd be crazy to offer it in that chambering. The 45-70 makes far more sense.

Nothing that cant be cured with a set of dies and a bullet mold.

True. Which makes it kind of a mail order gun for those who handload. If there were two in a retail shop, and a guy inquired about them and then looked at ammo for the 45-70 and then looked and failed to find the .348 WCF or found the box labeled $55, I think the 45-70 would win out every time. If this is just a gun to be special ordered, then handloaders won't have a problem with the traditional chambering. I guess it depends on how they plan to go to market.

you are correct sir. but if there existed a few more guns chambered in the .348, perhaps the price would drop, if there was an increase in demand. the .348 might be the flattest shooting of the blunt nose calibers. it was designed for the alaskan hunter and explorer. it can reach out a little more for that 200 yard elk. a 300 yard shot on a sheep aint out of the question if you can shoot. most of all it will drop your proverbrial enraged ,charging brown bear. it's TOO GOOD a traditional lever cartridge to succumb to a $55 dollar a box of 20 rounds death

[mod71alaska]

Mod 71, I don't understand your statement about not being from an importer. They'd be imported unless I'm in the dark about Pedersoli manufacturing in the U.S.A.

I was saying I'd like to see it marketed under the D. Pedersoli name and not the name of an importer such as Cimarron, etc. Just like the Brownings made in Belgium are Brownings.

[winchester1886]

How sad does this make you, when Olin own Winchester and do nothing with it, and everyone else is cashing in on all these fine originally Winchester products, the ball is at Olin's feet and they are to stupid to kick it. thry make me furious. We should all send them a message take Winchester over again and make the guns in America or we don't buy your ammo.

[tman]

winchester will be just fine without us levergunners. they will sell a model 70 and a model 1300 in tacticle calibers/gauges. tactical stocks, tactical rails, tactical flash lites, lazers and triggers. all you need to do is stamp tactical on it and the public will buy it.

[2X22]

At $55 per 20 of factory .348 WCF, I think they'd be crazy to offer it in that chambering. The 45-70 makes far more sense.

Nothing that cant be cured with a set of dies and a bullet mold.

That's what I was going to mention I think I can cast and reload a box of 20 for less $2, but thats a guess. Of course, I'm still mostly working with components I bought 20+ years ago when primers were $8 per thousand, powder was $8 per lb and gas checks were $10 per thousand

2x22

[Mike D.]

Fairly fine looking rifle, but a bit on the pricey side. What's glaring is the lack of rear sling swivel attachment.

[Ysabel Kid]

Pedersoli makes great firearms. Looking forward to seeing one of these first hand!

[roundup]

Isn't the Model 71 an improved version of the 86?

[Ysabel Kid]

Isn't the Model 71 an improved version of the 86?

Essentially.

[Ysabel Kid]

BUT... not that the venerable 1886 needing improving!!!

[kaschi]

Nice rifle and another "must buy"! Is this the first lever from Pedersoli or have they been making others? Since their other firearms are considered to be of good quality, Let's hope they continue the trend in levers and make 92's and 94's next. Either way, someone in Italy is listening to us. That's more than can be said about a well known US company that has their guns made in Japan.

[Terry Murbach]

SHUCKS, I remember seeing and handling an original Winchester M71 in 45-70 years back at one of the gun stores here in RCSD.

[KirkD]

How sad does this make you, when Olin own Winchester and do nothing with it, and everyone else is cashing in on all these fine originally Winchester products, the ball is at Olin's feet and they are to stupid to kick it. thry make me furious. We should all send them a message take Winchester over again and make the guns in America or we don't buy your ammo.

+1 .... Two things instantly came to mind. First, gorgeous rifle! Second, why is it that such a great idea was not realized by the Winchester folks? Asleep at the switch yet again.

[.45colt]

The owners of Win-Usrac-Olin or whoever it is now just don't care. I don't shoot Cowboy Action but anyone can see there was a fortune waiting for them with the "NAME" on their rifles in Sass. whoever owns Winchester now won't see any of My money. but Pedersoli and Uberti will.

[Buck Elliott]

Winchester/Browning/FN all owned by a huge International Conglomerate.

They may be listening, but they need hearing aids.

[KirkD]

If the fit and finish is excellent, and if the rifle does not have any tang safety and rebounding hammer, then they have themselves a real winner here.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

The owners of Win-Usrac-Olin or whoever it is now just don't care. I don't shoot Cowboy Action but anyone can see there was a fortune waiting for them with the "NAME" on their rifles in Sass. whoever owns Winchester now won't see any of My money. but Pedersoli and Uberti will.

I don't know that it has anything to do with whether they care or not. It is purely economic. As Buck said Winchester/Browning/FN all owned by a huge International Conglomerate. In other words they have deep pockets) That's to go with that another very significant part of the problem is they have an entity here in country that can easily be sued where a much smaller maker like D. Pedersoli who doesn't have such deep pockets and if they were to be sued you would have to sue the parent company in Italy . That's why you see all the add-on liability parts on the Win/Miroku guns. A good example is the Win/Miroku 92 with it's add-on rebounding hammer, trigger block and tang safety, verses the Chiappa 92 that doesn't have those parts and the Rossi 92's that are sent to the rest of the world. The only Rossi that gets the ugly safety on the bolt are the ones that come to the USA. The Rossi 92's sent around the world don't have it. I firmly believe that is because Taurus has an entity here, Taurus USA that can easily be sued.
Of all the civilized world the USA is the only country that doesn't have loser-pay tort rules and it has really hurt the gun making industry here.

I also believe that universal heathcare works at least marginally in Europe only because they have loser pay tort. I've had medical folks tell me that liability adds as much as 30% to our medical cost. Without tort reform socialized medicine will never work here.

[Bigahh]

If the fit and finish is excellent, and if the rifle does not have any tang safety and rebounding hammer, then they have themselves a real winner here.

+1..A real beauty, almost like my wife, but not quite!!

[6pt-sika]

While the gun looks nice enough I'd rather pay 2G's for a decent used original then $1200-1400 for a repro !

[RKrodle]

The owners of Win-Usrac-Olin or whoever it is now just don't care. I don't shoot Cowboy Action but anyone can see there was a fortune waiting for them with the "NAME" on their rifles in Sass. whoever owns Winchester now won't see any of My money. but Pedersoli and Uberti will.

I don't know that it has anything to do with whether they care or not. It is purely economic. As Buck said Winchester/Browning/FN all owned by a huge International Conglomerate. In other words they have deep pockets) That's to go with that another very significant part of the problem is they have an entity here in country that can easily be sued where a much smaller maker like D. Pedersoli who doesn't have such deep pockets and if they were to be sued you would have to sue the parent company in Italy . That's why you see all the add-on liability parts on the Win/Miroku guns. A good example is the Win/Miroku 92 with it's add-on rebounding hammer, trigger block and tang safety, verses the Chiappa 92 that doesn't have those parts and the Rossi 92's that are sent to the rest of the world. The only Rossi that gets the ugly safety on the bolt are the ones that come to the USA. The Rossi 92's sent around the world don't have it. I firmly believe that is because Taurus has an entity here, Taurus USA that can easily be sued.
Of all the civilized world the USA is the only country that doesn't have loser-pay tort rules and it has really hurt the gun making industry here.

I also believe that universal heathcare works at least marginally in Europe only because they have loser pay tort. I've had medical folks tell me that liability adds as much as 30% to our medical cost. Without tort reform socialized medicine will never work here.

Steve, my Winchester 1886 made by Miroku rifle came with rebounding hammer and tang safety but, my Browning 71 made by Miroku has none of the added on safety features. The difference that I see is just Winchester. Am I right or wrong on that?

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Steve, my Winchester 1886 made by Miroku rifle came with rebounding hammer and tang safety but, my Browning 71 made by Miroku has none of the added on safety features. The difference that I see is just Winchester. Am I right or wrong on that?

Could be because your Browning was made in 86-87. I don't know remember who owned Browning at that time but best I can tell Winchester and Browning are both owned by the same company and the Win 1886's were brought out around 96-97 so who know for sure how those decisions are made.
It's just my perception of how much the liability thing has played into the industry.

[RKrodle]

Steve, my Winchester 1886 made by Miroku rifle came with rebounding hammer and tang safety but, my Browning 71 made by Miroku has none of the added on safety features. The difference that I see is just Winchester. Am I right or wrong on that?

Could be because your Browning was made in 86-87. I don't know remember who owned Browning at that time but best I can tell Winchester and Browning are both owned by the same company and the Win 1886's were brought out around 96-97 so who know for sure how those decisions are made.
It's just my perception of how much the liability thing has played into the industry.

Thanks Steve, I thought they came out closer in time then that. But it also seems like it's only been a couple of years since I was young and care free .

[CaptainFinn]

Of course, Winchester/FN is now of the opinion that a $1500 Model 94 is going to fill an empty spot in the american public's heart....

[missionary5155]

like to see a run made in.348wcf. just to revive the old cartridge. maybe get federal and hornanday and remington to load some to get the price down and the availability up. nice looking arm.

Good morning
Why not take up reloading plus casting and release yourself from the bonds of being a slave to the BIG name ammo companies ??
I have been around casting & reloading since I was 4.. alsmost 56 years now. Still have all my fingers and eyes and have never blown apart any firearm.
I shoot calibers that no one makes ammo for and have no fear of buying into a caliber I cannot load and shoot for.
So do not BOO HOO... take charge of your life and make your own.

[Lawyer Daggit]

I think a few other rounds like 375 JDJ are needed if they want the firearm to thrive.
.348 case availability is now a problem.
Any idea on price?
I tried finding it listed on the Pedersoli site and could not find it. I would be obliged if you could post the link.

[tman]

like to see a run made in.348wcf. just to revive the old cartridge. maybe get federal and hornanday and remington to load some to get the price down and the availability up. nice looking arm.

Good morning
Why not take up reloading plus casting and release yourself from the bonds of being a slave to the BIG name ammo companies ??
I have been around casting & reloading since I was 4.. alsmost 56 years now. Still have all my fingers and eyes and have never blown apart any firearm.
I shoot calibers that no one makes ammo for and have no fear of buying into a caliber I cannot load and shoot for.
So do not BOO HOO... take charge of your life and make your own.

easy now, preacher. no need to take a swing at me. i'd like to see the .348 brought back into the mainstream, because it's an excellent all around north american leveraction game cartridge. at $ 55 a box for shells it's gonna die fast. like to see it stick around for future generations to enjoy it. chill out.

[JFE]

While the 348 Win is undoubtedly a good cartridge, personally I doubt it will make a major come back. If those of you that were around at the time recall, when Browning made their version of the M-71, sales were brisk at first but supply quickly swamped demand and after satisfying the initial rush, sales languished. Inevitably new rifles were eventually marked down heavily to move them.

In fact you can still buy examples of Browning Model 71's from that production run very reasonably today. Those rifles are a bargain by todays standards having no tang safety, no rebounding hammer, were made of well machined and finished quality steel and had a match grade chamber.

Still the new Pedersoli is a welcome addition and it is a real pity Winchester themselves dont build what people want. It would be nice to see Pedersoli make a limited run in 50/110 or 50 Alaskan.

[KirkD]

In fact you can still buy examples of Browning Model 71's from that production run very reasonably today. Those rifles are a bargain by todays standards having no tang safety, no rebounding hammer, were made of well machined and finished quality steel and had a match grade chamber.

Well now, that just gave me an idea for a very fine modern '86. Get one of those Brownings, and install a .45-70 rapid taper barrel.

[.45colt]

Kirk, Here is what it would look like, just need it in 45-70. Turnbull does it ALL .
http://www.turnbullrestoration.com/store.asp?pid=28214

[.45colt]

Back to the top for Kirk..
http://www.turnbullrestoration.com/store.asp?pid=28214

[71fan]

It looks like a nice rifle, but I'd prefer an original any day, and for less money.

I just sold an original deluxe on GB for $1,350. No issues...85% condition. IMO, there are too many good deals on original guns out there to mess with copies. 71s and 1886s are going very cheap lately, compared to a few years ago.

A guy can pick up a standard 71 for under a grand now, and could have it rebored and the bolt/action refitted for a three or four hundred bucks.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents. Admittedly, I'm a bit of a "Made in the USA" snob...and I sure do like the originals. I'd rather shoot a well used original that a copy any day. I suppose many folks would rather have a nice new shiny rifle. To each his own, right?

[KCSO]

Back in the day the big thing with the M71 was to rebarrel it to 45 anyway. I think they done just right.

[Mike D.]

In fact you can still buy examples of Browning Model 71's from that production run very reasonably today. Those rifles are a bargain by todays standards having no tang safety, no rebounding hammer, were made of well machined and finished quality steel and had a match grade chamber.

Well now, that just gave me an idea for a very fine modern '86. Get one of those Brownings, and install a .45-70 rapid taper barrel.

You have the right idea, Kirk, but it should read "install a .50-110 rapid taper barrel".

[Buck Elliott]

Back just before the ORIGINAL 71's were discontinued, they cost a WHOPPING $85.00

In 1958 bucks...

[Mike D.]

If you adjust for INFLATION, they really haven't risen much in price, have they? $85 was many folks bi-weekly pay in '58. What do I know, I was only 13.