OT- Old photo of mucho bad hombre, I think?

Idiot · Post by **Idiot** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:54 pm

He's got a lot of ammo, and no one poses on a mangy Spanish Barb on purpose. I'd say your initial assessment is probably correct. What is that rifle, a Mauser? Perhaps 7X57?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:17 pm

He looks a lot like a Mexican guy I worked for in Phoenix some years ago.

Joe

Post by **Hobie** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:29 pm

Mauser Modelo 93 carbine in 7x57 more than likely.

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:42 pm

Insurrecto?

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:56 pm

Crikey!!
Looking at that mangy nag, I think I'd rather walk.

PaperPatch · Post by **PaperPatch** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:18 pm

If he falls in a river wearing all that ammo.......he's going straight to the bottom!

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:22 pm

Looks like he has glasses on. Roosevelt in a sombrero?

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:43 pm

I heard he got threw out of a apache camp for being too warlike.

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:20 pm

Right off-hand I'd say he was probably one of Pancho Villa's followers.

I don't think he'd be much fun to face in a fight. he looks like he might know which end of that rifle the bullet exits.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:21 pm

Looks like he's got a stomach ache. That nag looks like it'd only make about 10 miles and drop.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:26 pm

Looks a little PO'd!

airedaleman · Post by **airedaleman** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:29 pm

Charles Bronson's father...

Mac in Mo · Post by **Mac in Mo** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:30 pm

What is he holding? A canteen? Whenever I see photos like this I wonder if my wife's Grandfather knew the person, or if he is in the background somewhere. He rode with PV as a young man, supposedly. He is gone and the family member that knows the truth won't talk. Kevin

model55 · Post by **model55** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:32 pm

Kinda big fella for that horse.Think the horse is saying "GET OFF ME ,YOU ARE KILLING ME!"

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:34 pm

Badges? We dont need no stinking badges !

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:42 pm

gundownunder wrote:Crikey!!
Looking at that mangy nag, I think I'd rather walk.

At least he ain't walkin',...yet. In his column I'll wager many others are, walkin' that is, ... and wearin' worn huaraches. Viva Villa!!

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:34 pm

You cant tell for sure about looks. This morning I was watching a movie made in 1949 with audie murphy. That is about 4 years after his war actions. I swear he looked like a small 14 year old boy! He was born in 1925 so was 24 years old!

RustyJr · Post by **RustyJr** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:45 pm

Somebody mentioned that it looks like he is wearing glasses . . . looks more like a scar just below his right eye.

RustyJr

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:47 pm

Yeah, looks to be a Mauser cavalry carbine.

Mexico had a lot of '93s. He seems to be a believer in carrying enough ammo (I fall into that camp as well).

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:15 am

A little trivila. When I was a boy in the late 40s my folks was close friends with a older couple. His name was ray smith. He was in black jack pershings campaign chasing villa in mexico. He told me some interesting storys about it. Of course they never caught poncho but he claimed they had a indian scout who claimed he found poncho and some of his men sleeping in a cave. Suposedly, the scout sneaked in the cave and stold poncho,s rifle to prove he was there. Ray was a interesting man. He told me storys of him and several friends on a year long hunting trip in the colorado rockys and not seeing a road for the year! I dont know if that was before or after his being in the army. I remember him showing me a few guns. One was a 45-70 springfield. I would guess he looked in his late 60s or early 70s back in 1949-50.
I remember him telling me he was infantry and about marching in that hot country and he said "We took our boots and socks off, and the hide would peel off right with the socks!
I also once worked with a mexican who said his father was a well educated young mexican, poncho captured him and made him his accountant or paymaster. Back in about 1965 I knew another old mexican who claimed he also was captured as a boy and made to solider for poncho.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:41 am

Looks almost as mean as Hobie's Edmonton beaver

okdee · Post by **okdee** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:01 am

If I was gona raise some hell, he'd be on my team!

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:06 am

I saw him and a bunch of his buddies pushing a car down the
street in Miami yesterday!

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:59 am

His saddle bags are kinda full and bulging too. Wonder if they're filled with corn dodgers or more ammo?

Joe

1988rrc · Post by **1988rrc** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:04 pm

what is the purpose of that type of saddle horn shape?

TomF · Post by **TomF** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:08 pm

Mac in Mo wrote:What is he holding? A canteen? Whenever I see photos like this I wonder if my wife's Grandfather knew the person, or if he is in the background somewhere. He rode with PV as a young man, supposedly. He is gone and the family member that knows the truth won't talk. Kevin

The saddle horn is in his left hand. Mexican saddles are known for large saddle horns and adorments.

TomF

caryc · Post by **caryc** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:39 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:Looks a little PO'd!

Yeah.....He looks like he just lost his real horse in a poker game.

Aren't most horses taller (at the head) than their riders? I think that guy's tall than his horse. The poor thing has to spread out his front legs just to hold that guy up. Even the saddle looks uncomfortably small for him.

Kind of reminds me of the movie "Evil Roy Slade" when Evil Roy stole that horse from a midget.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:28 pm

Shoot low, sherriff....

NonPCnraRN · Post by **NonPCnraRN** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Obama promised 1200 National Guardsmen and all AZ got was this guy!

BC in TN · Post by **BC in TN** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:29 pm

Gentlemen,
Perhaps many of you sell that horse short...

86er · Post by **86er** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:45 pm

From the condition of his horse, his attire, his rifle and the amount of ammunition he has I think he is an optimist. I like it - great pic!

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:53 pm

NonPCnraRN wrote:Obama promised 1200 National Guardsmen and all AZ got was this guy!

You know, he just might be enough!

Joe

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:30 pm

Don't reckon I would put any money on it, but I'm thinking that little mexican cow pony is just as tough as the man he is carrying. I would put him up for endurance against todays horses. Let's see what danny has to say.

Dave James · Post by **Dave James** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:09 am

If not a 93 its darn sure a model 95 in 7mm. The ole pony reminds of some i saw down in Chile, they could go 2 days straight up and down with a semi walk/trot pace , they where mangy and mean

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:25 pm

My uncle told a story of being pinned down on a ridge in Italy by some very serious Germans. After 3 days they were running out of ammo. He said from that day forward an infantry man should never run out of two things, ammo and prayer.

Another Uncle fighting with Patton's eighth was walking down a street in Europe and an SS Sargeant stepped out of an ally and put a Luger on his heart and pulled the trigger, it misfired. He dropped the SS scum with his 1911. He always nagged that your gun should be shiny clean and ammo polished every night in hunting camp. The Luger was dirty.

Not only is he carrying lots of ammo. its shiny clean and nothing else is. I suspect he is a survivor of mortal combat.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:28 pm

I bet that little pony is worth the saddle, but you'd still need to shoot low...

Lawyer Daggit · Post by **Lawyer Daggit** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:33 pm

Interesting he has his ammo for the mauser belted through loops and not in the more familiar and faster to use 5 round clips.

Lawyer Daggit · Post by **Lawyer Daggit** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:36 pm

Maybe he has lower back problems and the stiffness of the bullet cases acts like a macho corset!

Sure is a lot of ammo for one hombre to carry.

caryc · Post by **caryc** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:06 am

I think some guy was walking around the neighborhood with a camera and a pony and this guys Mother just couldn't resist getting his picture taken. Cute little guy isn't he?

The reason he looks so angry is because he wanted to go fishing with the rest of the guys instead of posing for this stupid picture.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:18 am

I'm willing to bet that if he had bandoliers, he'd have them full of ammo and wearin' then also!