Chaparral 76 range report and new outfit

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:17 am

Bought a new coat recently so thought i`d show off a little and later today i`m going to add a range report on the new Chaparral 76 in 45-60.

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:29 am

Ha ha. You look pretty good.

I read an article on Gunblast about that rifle, and the author had to cut down some 45-65 brass to make rounds. Did you have to do that or is the ammo readily available.

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:33 am

Good all around Pitchy. must be the right choice in Your neck of the woods as them hostiles that shoot all them arrows at You have run for cover.

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Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:39 am

Sweet! Can't wait for the range report.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:54 am

Good lookin getup! I look forward to the range report.

Oly

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:34 pm

Well not real impressed with the turn out but my eyes are so bad that it`s hard to focus on that rear sight.
The 50 yard groups are with the ladder down of coarse.
Tried three shots at 100 with the sight down and it shot way low so tried one shot with the elevator down as far as it would go and it shot way high.
So i filed a u shaped groove in the bottom of the ladder and that shot good as far as elevation.
Probably going to try a different powder as i`m out of 3031 anyway.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:36 pm

.45colt wrote:Good all around Pitchy. must be the right choice in Your neck of the woods as them hostiles that shoot all them arrows at You have run for cover. .

Pitchy, if this was said in gest, guess that .45colt doesn't realize how close to the truth it is!

How far from the rez are ya?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:02 pm

Old Time Hunter wrote:
.45colt wrote:Good all around Pitchy. must be the right choice in Your neck of the woods as them hostiles that shoot all them arrows at You have run for cover. .
Pitchy, if this was said in gest, guess that .45colt doesn't realize how close to the truth it is!

How far from the rez are ya?

Yep it was in gest, all my arrow attack pics ive posted in fun.
I do live about ten miles from a rez though.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:34 pm

Looks like these have a real fast rifling twist too them. .

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:41 pm

Neat outfit Pitchy, like the rifle too

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:49 pm

Borregos wrote:Neat outfit Pitchy, like the rifle too

+1

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:57 pm

I don't know how I missed this earlier! Love those photos of your rig. That is a real nice coat! I'd be very interested in getting one something like that. Were did you get it?

Been looking at your results. Hmmmm. I expected tighter groups than that, but my first suspicion is that IMR 3031 is just too slow to give you enough pressure spike to bump that bullet up to seal off the throat and bore. I would recommend trying something faster like 5744. I would not recommend IMR 4227 or IMR 4759 ..... the extreme spread of the velocities are way too high, revealing that those two powders are very position sensitive. 2400 is pretty bad. A faster powder produces a sharper pressure spike, which usually improves accuracy. 2400 produces a pressure spike similar to FFg.

It might be interesting to try some black powder loads. Regardless, you will have a lot of fun playing around with that rifle and I am certain that a very accurate load can be found for it.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:02 pm

Like the out fit friend.

Say, can the front sight be lowered so you can shoot to 100 with the ladder down?

Nath.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:03 pm

I was just thinking about loading a few with black, i have FFF and FF.
Got a charge for me with either with the 292 bullet.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:09 pm

IMR 4227 or IMR SR4759 would be fine with some dacron filler, but you should probably reduce the load slightly to compensate for the more efficient burning. They will give you a better pressure spike to bump of that bullet.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:19 pm

KirkD wrote:IMR 4227 or IMR SR4759 would be fine with some dacron filler, but you should probably reduce the load slightly to compensate for the more efficient burning. They will give you a better pressure spike to bump of that bullet.

Got a load with Goex FF OR FFF
I suspect 60 grains or all that will fit with slight compression.

Ya can find that coat here.
http://www.theoldwestgallery.com/servle ... Categories

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:54 pm

A little better, 55 grains of FF Goex but room for improvement.
Between the rear sight and bad eyes it will kill deer as is.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:57 pm

Me, I would cram as much black as I can in there but add a grease cookie under the boolit.

The guts of the gun would be cleaned and soaked in olive oil. The bore cleaned and coated in my BP lube which is beef fat and olive oil n' go shoot.

Keep us posted Pitchy.

Nath.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:59 pm

Thanks Nath, i think i`ll go back to smokeless and try a different powder, hate that cleaning BP

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:10 pm

Pitchy wrote:Thanks Nath, i think i`ll go back to smokeless and try a different powder, hate that cleaning BP

Sure, but don't get hung up on the cleaning. The barrel dripping in olive oil and a pull through n' plenty old rag patches is all thats needed. Once the bore is seasoned with lube like a 22 no need to lose sleep

My musketoon never rots and I use pyro! Have left it loaded for days on a fired barrel.

Damp patches dowe the bore, dryed and then olive oil, dryed again just prior to the next hunt.

Good luck, all the same.

N.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:22 pm

Ya ya

i have a bunch of muzzleloaders that i can shoot and clean if i want but no thanks on the cartridge guns.

See quite a few guys use 4198 powder.
Or i might try the 3031 a little more until i get used to the rifle and break it in.
A guy on cas said he shot a 2 1/2 in group at 100 yards with the same gun as mine, might of been a Uberti can`t remember.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:49 pm

You need a shorter sight radius. I always shot better with short barreled carbines;20" and under than with standard 22" + rifle barrels when using Irons. worth a try.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:02 pm

tman wrote:You need a shorter sight radius. I always shot better with short barreled carbines;20" and under than with standard 22" + rifle barrels when using Irons. worth a try.

My eyes are so bad close up, can`t focus on the rear sight and that`s why these groups are stringing horizontal.
When i shot the last 100 yard group i was looking through that notch i filed in the sight.
I might have to live with it and i`m not blaming the powder until i have someone else shoot it,
.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:47 pm

Yoooouuuurrrrrrrr so vain, you probably think this post is about you! You handsome bugger.

Neat coat dude, you would be roasting in it here in S.E.Pa. (btw, I still have my original fringe coat from 1970 during my "hippie daze"

)

The '76 is doing great. Don't forget aout the all time load using Unique at sub-sonic speeds. In the 45-60, 11 grains will push it about 1100 with a 400 cast---loose in the case.---------------Sixgun

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:49 pm

WHAT A FINE LOOKIN' OUTFIT, PITCHY !!! THE SPURS ARE TOO CLASSY FOR WORDS !

ON THE OTHER HAND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE FINDS THE WIN '76 APPEALING. IT ALWAYS FELT TO ME LIKE YOU'RE LUGGING AROUND A 14' CHUNK OF REBAR CHAMBERING SORT OF A PIPSQUEAK CARTRIDGE. ON THE OTHER HAND THEY LOOK DERN NEAR TOO COOL TO HAVE BEEN ONLY MADE FOR TEN YEARS.
BEIN' A LAZY SO'N'SO I'LL STICK WITH LUGGIN' AROUND ONE OF THE 73's OR 92's

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:59 pm

Sixgun pard where`d ya come up with that unique load, is there a lot of air space with 11 grains that could make it dangerous, educate me bro.

Terry !!!!! buy gum you old rattle snake i was hoping you`d chime in

Yep it sure enough is heavy but i`ve always been the type that if it`s cool looking it`s better. That`s why we rode choppers, no mind they would bust your butt they were cool.

Now take my Marlin Cowboy, it has a bead front sight and a u shape notch in the rear and i can hit good with it.
Any load info is welcome.

FatJackDurham · Post by **FatJackDurham** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:18 pm

I am loving all these posts.

I wondered about unique loads. Is it safe to fill with anything at all if the powder leaves a lot of air behind the bullet? What is okay to fill with?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:29 pm

FatJackDurham wrote:I am loving all these posts.

I wondered about unique loads. Is it safe to fill with anything at all if the powder leaves a lot of air behind the bullet? What is okay to fill with?

We gotta know, i have a whole can of unique.
I see that 15 grains is a common load in the 45-70.
I`m going to go see how much space is left in the case using 11 grains of unique.

Checked, lots of air, gotta have more info

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:08 pm

Pitchy, Throw a 94 with a 20" and a 92 with a 16" barrel up to your shoulder. If you can get your hands on an M4, try it also. The conventional wisdom was always a longer barrel produced a greater site radius hence greater accuraccy. The opposite always held true for me, even as a young man.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:16 pm

tman wrote:Pitchy, Throw a 94 with a 20" and a 92 with a 16" barrel up to your shoulder. If you can get your hands on an M4, try it also. The conventional wisdom was always a longer barrel produced a greater site radius hence greater accuraccy. The opposite always held true for me, even as a young man.

I have several carbines and the rear sight is blurry on all them, hand guns are real bad.

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:16 pm

Great looking gear there Pitchy
cant help ya with a load
sure can relate with the eyes, the longer i sight the worse i shoot
a rec. or a tang sight helps me 100%, they dont blur out on me
take that gun out & blaze away at some steel & forget the groups
for now ollogger

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:48 pm

Sixgun wrote:... (btw, I still have my original fringe coat from 1970 during my "hippie daze" )

By gum, Sixgun! You still have yours too? I was just trying my old one on the other day. Real nice fringed coat I bought around 1971, but I find it is a little snug around the waist now.

Sixgun's unique loads would be certainly worth a try. He's got plenty of experience with Unique, so I wouldn't worry about it being safe, especially given the lower velocity his load gives.

One thing I especially like about the '76 is that the front sight is way out there so I can focus on it with my 57 year-old eyes nice and sharp.

ving-thorr · Post by **ving-thorr** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:48 pm

Pitchy wrote:
tman wrote:Pitchy, Throw a 94 with a 20" and a 92 with a 16" barrel up to your shoulder. If you can get your hands on an M4, try it also. The conventional wisdom was always a longer barrel produced a greater site radius hence greater accuraccy. The opposite always held true for me, even as a young man.
I have several carbines and the rear sight is blurry on all them, hand guns are real bad.

Pitchy, since the eyesight is hurting, maybe you should opt for one of the repro gatling guns! That would really keep the hostiles' heads down!

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:49 pm

Pitchy, I have one of the Merit shooting aids. It's a small gizmo that attaches to your shooting glasses with a tiny suction cup, and gives an adjustable aperture to look through. You turn it back and forth in size until it sharpens up your vision. They really work! When sights get blurry, you can dial it in and get both sights and your target clear when you hit the sweet spot. The handgun shooters use them.

They arent cheap, but it's money well spent.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:30 am

Lookin' great. You ought to try and get in on the next great western.

I actually made a coat very similar to that one out of deer hide. I ought to get the wife to take a pic some day with me wearing it so I can post it. I actually braided all the seams using the same leather instead of sewing it.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:01 am

Thanks gents, by gummit Kirk i`ll try sixguns load today, my life is in your hands bro

Yes Kim lets see your coat ya old cow poke you

Malumute that sounds like a good idea maybe i can make one.

Gatling gun might be the answer, always figured it would make a good deer stand gun.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:36 am

I loaded up seven rounds with 12 grains of unique using a 292 grain bullet, figure since it`s a lighter bullet than Sixguns load of 11 grains with a 400 grain bullet it should be good.
Weighed each load individually with a powder trickle.
Waiting for a buddy to show up before i fire them, more later.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:39 am

In the mean time i mounted this old lyman peep that i`ve had laying around for years, only one screw but it ain`t moving.
Buddy can`t make it and i`m impatiant so heading out to shoot.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:09 am

Well fellers i don`t know what`s the problem , the unique loads shot about the same group with the peep as the 3031.
With the factory buckhorn not any better so back to the drawing board.

I haven`t slugged the bore, no leading to speak of.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:37 am

Bingo

32 grains of 3031-- 1 in. group of two.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:46 am

Looking good Pitchy

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:44 pm

Thanks buddy, heck if i can hit a coffee can at 100 yards i`m happy.

Ollogger your right shoot steel and have fun, never was a paper target shooter.
How`s that sweety of yours doing?

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:49 pm

Cool Pitchy! Like KirkD, I'd love to know where you got your new coat.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:55 am

I posted the link to the web sight in this thread.

I`ll shoot some more of this load to make sure it wasn`t luck, but not today unless it quits raining.

Sixgun, seeing ya never replied i wasn`t doubting your knowledge about using Unique, i didn`t know you messed with it.
And Kirk i was just kidding when i said my life was in your hands or Sixguns.

86er · Post by **86er** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:01 am

Nice rifle - great outfit!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:11 am

Thanks 86`er, i hate shooting paper, seems like it always goes bad and i end up shooting lots of ammo.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:08 am

Pitchy, I was thinking, you only need "minute of hostile" accuracy

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:14 am

Borregos wrote:Pitchy, I was thinking, you only need "minute of hostile" accuracy

There`s a video coming that will proove that.

walks with gun · Post by **walks with gun** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:41 am

Thanks alot Pitchy, I figured I'd get by just fine with the levers I've got but now I have a hankering for something new.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:52 am

walks with gun wrote:Thanks alot Pitchy, I figured I'd get by just fine with the levers I've got but now I have a hankering for something new.

Well buddy ya can always shoot this one any time ya want.

Anyone have a picture of what the cleaning kit looks like for the 76, was going to put some standard rods in there but that hole in the stock isn`t deep enough