IN MEMORIAM II

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:25 pm

CAPITAINE DANJOU
SIXTY LEGIONAIRES
AT CAMERONE
30APRIL1863
WE DO NOT FORGET

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:18 am

Vive Le Muert
Vive Le Guere
Vive Le Mercenaire!

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:18 am

thank you for your service and ultimate sacrifice...much blessings

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:14 am

I'm sure the French People have every right to be proud of the Captain and his brave men. But the plain fact is that they suffered the deserved fate of an invader in another man's homeland.

Rest in pieces, Captain.

Post by **Hobie** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:56 am

I don't think it is funny in any way. Say what you will about the politics, the men on the pointy end might be a lot more like you and I than they are like their government's leaders.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:23 pm

Hobie wrote:I don't think it is funny in any way. Say what you will about the politics, the men on the pointy end might be a lot more like you and I than they are like their government's leaders.

+1......The opposite of PC is not intentionally disrespectful.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:37 pm

FWiedner wrote:I'm sure the French People have every right to be proud of the Captain and his brave men. But the plain fact is that they suffered the deserved fate of an invader in another man's homeland.

Rest in pieces, Captain.

So Fred, whose former homeland does your little patch of ground sit on?

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:38 pm

They were mercenaries and murderers.

Beyond recognizing that a defeated squadron chose to die rather than surrender, no respect is warranted.

SS, who cares? I'm pretending that it's mine for now.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:04 pm

FWiedner wrote:They were mercenaries and murderers.

Beyond recognizing that a defeated squadron chose to die rather than surrender, no respect is warranted.

SS, who cares? I'm pretending that it's mine for now.

Buttering up La Raza for when they come for your place?

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:03 pm

Heh. "La Raza" probably built my place.

I know they did the landscaping and replastered the pool.

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:31 pm

BlaineG wrote:
FWiedner wrote:They were mercenaries and murderers.

Beyond recognizing that a defeated squadron chose to die rather than surrender, no respect is warranted.

SS, who cares? I'm pretending that it's mine for now.

Buttering up La Raza for when they come for your place?

I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND YOUR CLAIMS ARE NOT TRUE. THE LEGIONIARRE IS A PROFESSIONAL SOLDIER WHO ENLISTS IN THE SERVICE OF FRANCE. HIS OFFICERS ARE ALL FRENCH AND GRADUATES OF ST CYR, THE FRENCH WEST POINT. ALL OF THEM GO TO WHERE THEY ARE ORDERED TO GO, AND THEY FIGHT FRENCH FOES.
NOW TO PERSPECTIVE; AT CAMERONE IN ONE DAY 60 LEGIONAIRRES FOUGHT AT MEXICAN UNIT ALMOST IDENTICAL IN SIZE TO THAT WITH BESIEGED THE ALAMO. IN ONE DAY THOSE 60 LEGIONAIRRES KILLED AND WOUNDED FAR MORE MEXICAN SOLDIERS THAN OVER THREE TIMES THEIR NUMBER DID IN WHAT, TWO WEEKS , AT THE ALAMO, AND THE SURVIVORS WERE FETED AS HEROIC SOLDIERS BY THE MEXICANS, ALLOWED TO GO ON THEIR WAY WITH THEIR ARMS, AND A MONUMENT WAS BUILT IN THEIR HONOR BY THE LATER MEXICAN GOVERNMENT. ALL CURRENT MEXICAN SOLDIERS MUST STAND AND PRESENT ARMS EVERYTIME THEY PASS THIS MONUMENT
ALL THE THIEVING, LYING, WHITE TRASH AT THE ALAMO WAS DISPENSED WITH EASILY IN ONE MORNING, ALL THE SURVIVORS WERE PUT TO THE SWORD, AND ALL WERE BURNED TO ASHES TO BE DISPENSED BY THE WIND, AS THE MEXICANS TREATED THEM FOR WHAT THEY WERE. REST IN ASHES.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:54 pm

Man! Glad I don't nothing about either group, but something tells me this is gonna be a good thread. I'll stand by the sidelines and watch you boys fight it out.

As far as the French go, I never did like anything that ate snails.

-------Sixgun

n2t · Post by **n2t** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Hey..both me and my puffer fish love snails..dang man..why you got to hate on puffer fish?

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:44 pm

Sixgun wrote:Man! Glad I don't nothing about either group, but something tells me this is gonna be a good thread. I'll stand by the sidelines and watch you boys fight it out.

-------Sixgun

I'll put on some popcorn.

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:51 pm

Hobie wrote:I don't think it is funny in any way. Say what you will about the politics, the men on the pointy end might be a lot more like you and I than they are like their government's leaders.

+1
I am sure you would associate my friends and our teams in different countries the same way regardless of our mission and having worked with a few different countries’ team on the ground including the French on a couple of continents do not care for you comment.

Catshooter · Post by **Catshooter** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:56 pm

Terry Murbach wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
FWiedner wrote:They were mercenaries and murderers.

Beyond recognizing that a defeated squadron chose to die rather than surrender, no respect is warranted.

SS, who cares? I'm pretending that it's mine for now.

Buttering up La Raza for when they come for your place?
I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND YOUR CLAIMS ARE NOT TRUE. THE LEGIONIARRE IS A PROFESSIONAL SOLDIER WHO ENLISTS IN THE SERVICE OF FRANCE. HIS OFFICERS ARE ALL FRENCH AND GRADUATES OF ST CYR, THE FRENCH WEST POINT. ALL OF THEM GO TO WHERE THEY ARE ORDERED TO GO, AND THEY FIGHT FRENCH FOES.
NOW TO PERSPECTIVE; AT CAMERONE IN ONE DAY 60 LEGIONAIRRES FOUGHT AT MEXICAN UNIT ALMOST IDENTICAL IN SIZE TO THAT WITH BESIEGED THE ALAMO. IN ONE DAY THOSE 60 LEGIONAIRRES KILLED AND WOUNDED FAR MORE MEXICAN SOLDIERS THAN OVER THREE TIMES THEIR NUMBER DID IN WHAT, TWO WEEKS , AT THE ALAMO, AND THE SURVIVORS WERE FETED AS HEROIC SOLDIERS BY THE MEXICANS, ALLOWED TO GO ON THEIR WAY WITH THEIR ARMS, AND A MONUMENT WAS BUILT IN THEIR HONOR BY THE LATER MEXICAN GOVERNMENT. ALL CURRENT MEXICAN SOLDIERS MUST STAND AND PRESENT ARMS EVERYTIME THEY PASS THIS MONUMENT
ALL THE THIEVING, LYING, WHITE TRASH AT THE ALAMO WAS DISPENSED WITH EASILY IN ONE MORNING, ALL THE SURVIVORS WERE PUT TO THE SWORD, AND ALL WERE BURNED TO ASHES TO BE DISPENSED BY THE WIND, AS THE MEXICANS TREATED THEM FOR WHAT THEY WERE. REST IN ASHES.

Whoa. Having been born in Washington state I'm about as far from Texan as you can get. However, I'm pretty sure them's fightin' words to one.

Having no dog in this fight, I'll just set back on the sidelines . . .

Cat

SteveR · Post by **SteveR** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:48 pm

I doubt very, very much the Weiner will respond, he likes to snipe.

Steve

Barcelona Rick · Post by **Barcelona Rick** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:26 pm

ALL THE THIEVING, LYING, WHITE TRASH AT THE ALAMO WAS DISPENSED WITH EASILY IN ONE MORNING, ALL THE SURVIVORS WERE PUT TO THE SWORD, AND ALL WERE BURNED TO ASHES TO BE DISPENSED BY THE WIND, AS THE MEXICANS TREATED THEM FOR WHAT THEY WERE. REST IN ASHES.[/quote]

Mr. Murbach,

I realize you are an expert at all things but you are certainly painting a pretty wide swipe with your comments about the defenders of the Alamo. Not sure where you learned your history but many Alamo defenders were well respected patriots. (Thieving, Lying, White Trash ?? Twelve defenders were Native born Texians...ten or more of Mexican descent, two defenders were Black, forty were of European birth, two were Hebrew and the remainder were from other States) Most had settled a wild and untamed land. The Mexican Government oppressed and murdered the Anglos at will. These men held the Mexican Army numbering over 1700 at bay for an extended period of time. Yes they were executed....murdered actually by the conscript soldiers led by their self proclaimed God. Our beloved Texas was a free Republic until 1845 because heros like these men chose to give their life's for what they believed in....now that being said if you want to praise the French (who died defending a convoy.....the three survivors were spared to escort the Captain's body back to France....minus his wooden hand) then get after it but do not think that because you said it it is correct....BTW my family (mother's side) has been in Texas since about 1825 and I assure you your comments are taken with the authority which they warrant...

rick

Chris83716 · Post by **Chris83716** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 pm

Can't say I'm 100% in agreement with Terry (that brush is a little broad and ya might be poking at a few sacred cows) but I got $10 that's says Terry's going to spank someone.

Chris

Barcelona Rick · Post by **Barcelona Rick** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:38 pm

Chris83716 wrote:Can't say I'm 100% in agreement with Terry (that brush is a little broad and ya might be poking at a few sacred cows) but I got $10 that's says Terry's going to spank someone.

Chris

Chris little boys get spanked.....and then only by someone that deserves respect.....come on Thieving, Lying, White Trash.....pointed at Brave Men.....

rick

Chris83716 · Post by **Chris83716** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:19 pm

I would be willing to bet that Terry has a tongue firmly pressed in his cheek regarding the defenders of the Alamo. Either way both the French and Texans were willing to fight and die for what they believed in and deserve some respect. Kind of funny how we rag on the French in this county when we owe them to some degree for their assistance during the revolutionary war. Granted I think we payed that bill in full during WW I and II .

Chris

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:27 pm

My take on the French is F the bastids !

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for France and it's government !

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:27 am

Chris83716 wrote:Can't say I'm 100% in agreement with Terry (that brush is a little broad and ya might be poking at a few sacred cows) but I got $10 that's says Terry's going to spank someone.

Chris

Like to see him try to spank one of the thievin' lyin' white trash he speaks of. Guess THAT would go on for about 1/2 of a second! Its easy to insult dead folks.

Chris83716 · Post by **Chris83716** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:54 am

6pt-sika wrote:My take on the French is F the bastids !

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for France and it's government !

Government of France, Okay I can accept that contempt. Depending on the day I've said some pretty bad things about the US government and their policy's.

As for the gentlemen at the tip of the spear cut them some slack. They all had someone at home that loved them just like our guys in Iraq and the Stan.

My Grandfather was an ambulance driver in WWII. He went into Normandy on D+4. Never touched a gun or shot a German. He went back for the 50th year anniversary of the D day landings. Going into shops, hotels, and restaurants and not being fluent in French he got some attitude, but was treated like royalty once they found out he was a vet. My point is the French people remember what we have done for them and are generally grateful.

Chris

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:28 am

Chris83716 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:My take on the French is F the bastids !

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for France and it's government !
Government of France, Okay I can accept that contempt. Depending on the day I've said some pretty bad things about the US government and their policy's.

As for the gentlemen at the tip of the spear cut them some slack. They all had someone at home that loved them just like our guys in Iraq and the Stan.

My Grandfather was an ambulance driver in WWII. He went into Normandy on D+4. Never touched a gun or shot a German. He went back for the 50th year anniversary of the D day landings. Going into shops, hotels, and restaurants and not being fluent in French he got some attitude, but was treated like royalty once they found out he was a vet. My point is the French people remember what we have done for them and are generally grateful.

Chris

You have your opinion and I have mine . And I do not see mine changing any time in the next 100 years or so .

I have not personally set foot in the land of the Frogs . I have however spoken with a number of folks that have ,some are vets and others are not . The large percentage say when you get outside of Paris the folks in the country are rather pleasent etc . But everyone with one exception tell me those you may talk with in Paris are generally rude etc etc etc . The only one I've talked with that actually liked everything about Paris is my dillusional aunt but then she loves New York and Los Angelas so she's a pretty poor example in my ALWAYS biased opinion .

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:49 am

I don't see anything to argue about.

If a thief gets cornered in a house that he'e robbing and gets his just dessert in the form of being sent to hell, I can't say that I see it any other way than that he got what he deserved.

He may stand his ground and fight to the bitter end but... well... a thief is a thief.

If he manages to kill the person whom he intended to victimize, manages to keep their stuff and dance on their grave, I'd guess that he also gets to write the history of the event because dead men tell no (new) tales.

Armies of oppression, armies of conquest, and foreign armies marching through other peoples homelands inflicting death, causing destruction, and abusing the people deserve to perish in the most horrible, painful, and gruesome manner possible.

The French went to Mexico to rape the land and the people and to take the spoils back to Europe. Many of the defenders of the Alamo were homesteaders who settled land at the invitation of the Mexican government which then attacked and abused them.

One is a thief trying to run home with his booty and getting caught headed out the door. The other is a man choosing the ground on which to make a stand after being chased from his home.

I'm not surprised that the Mexicans would honor the French, they have a odd national affection for thievery and murder.

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:48 am

Just remembering.
30 April 1863.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:14 pm

Terry Murbach wrote:Just remembering.
30 April 1863.

Good, and well to think of warriors.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:14 pm

Brave men.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:11 pm

I still don't know nothing about any French or those little stumpy jumping beaners but.........I do know Terry and if Terry says it's right, well, by Lordy...IT IS RIGHT!

Terry was and still is "da man".

Viva La Terry!!----------6

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:12 pm

Getting back to Terry's ORIGINAL post and avoiding all the other diatribe...

On April 30, 1863, a small Legion unit led by Captain Jean Danjou was protecting the French convoy as a part of the French intervention in Mexico. Near the Mexican village of Camerone, these 62 men and three officers were attacked and besieged by a force that have reached almost 2,000 Mexican infantry and cavalry. Captain Jean Danjou, his legionnaires and two officers (Lt Maudet and Lt Vilain) held out in an old hacienda. When the Mexican commander demanded the surrender of Danjou and his legionnaires, Danjou replied: “We have munitions. We will not surrender” and swore to fight to the death. Nearly all were killed, including Cpt. Jean Danjou. The last five legionnaires had fought until their ammunition ran out, then decided to charge with fixed bayonets. When they did, the Mexican commander ordered his troops to cease fire and spared the surviving legionnaiers. He also allowed them to form an honour guard for the body of Captain Danjou.

Captain Jean Danjou had lost a hand in Algeria some years before and wore a wooden hand to replace it. His wooden hand was brought back to France. Today, the wooden hand of Captain Jean Danjou is paraded annually on April 30, Camerone Day.

Old No7

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:20 pm

More info...

I found this (the info, not some of the posts) interesting, thanks Terry.

Old No7

The Battle of Camarón 1863:
The Heroic Stand of the Foreign Legion

“We may die, but never will surrender.” Lieutenant Jean Villian

Almost every Army or nation has a story of a heroic group of soldiers that fight valiantly and often die against enemies of far greater strength. The United States has the Texan defenders of the Alamo and in World War II the Marine defenders of Wake Island. The British the Battle of Rourke’s Drift in the Zulu War. In 1989 the 9th Company of the Red Army’s 345th Independent Guards Airborne Regiment conducted a heroic defense against Afghan Mujahideen at Hill 3234 during Operation Magistral.

However, seldom are “the few” honored by friend and foe alike. Among these are the 65 men of the 3rd Company of the 1st Battalion Légion Étrangère (Foreign Legion). These few would battle nearly 2000 Mexican Soldiers at a small Hacienda called Camarón on April 30th 1863 while proving an advance guard escort to a supply convoy which was to relieve French forces besieging Puebla.

The 3rd Company severely undermanned due to dysentery and 50 Legionnaires and all of the company officers were incapacitated. The battalion Quartermaster, Captain Danjou took command and was joined by two other officers, Lieutenant Clement Maudet and Lieutenant Jean Villian joined the remaining 62 Legionnaires. Beginning their March at 0100 and had marched 15 miles stopping for breakfast at 0700. While brewing their coffee with the convoy several hours behind scouts saw a force of several hundred Mexican cavalry approaching. They fought a battle with the cavalry for several hours before getting into the Hacienda around the middle of the morning. The Mexican forces under the command of Colonel Francisco Milan were joined by additional forces bringing their total to 800 cavalry and 1200 infantry. Milan, realizing that the Legionnaires situation was hopeless, offered Danjou the chance to surrender. With his force reduced now under 50 men following the skirmishes, Danjou refused replying “We have munitions. We will not surrender.”

The Legionnaires defense held against several assaults but with casualties mounting, ammunition dwindling and without food or water in the scorching heat Danjou rallied his men. He had lost his left hand in Algeria 10 years before and had a wooden hand fashioned. He went to each Legionnaire offering words of support, a sip of wine and had each man swear on his wooden hand that they would not surrender. While doing so he was shot and killed about noon.

Lieutenant Villian, the battalion’s much disliked Paymaster who volunteered for the mission took command and the Legionnaires fought on suffering immensely under the fierce and accurate fire of the Mexican troops. Somehow as happens in battle, the formerly hated officer inspired the Legionnaires to continue the fight until he was shot dead about 1600 hours. Lieutenant Maudet then took command of the few remaining Legionnaires. Around 1700 Colonel Milan approached the now burning Hacienda to offer the surviving Legionnaires a chance to surrender. He looked inside the charnel house and saw Maudet rallying about a dozen Legionnaires amid piles of dead and wounded. Maudet refused the offer and Milan went back to his troops and ordered another assault.

With only himself and 5 remaining Legionnaires Maudet surveyed the situation. The Mexican troops were massing for another attack and his troops were down to one round of ammunition each. He and his men loaded their weapons and he ordered a charge into the massed Mexican infantry. They engaged the Mexicans in hand to hand combat, Maudet and one Legionnaire were killed and four captured. The senior surviving NCO Corporal Maine requested that the survivors be treated for their wounds and be allowed to maintain their weapons and escort the remains of Captain Danjou to France. Acceding to the bloodied Corporal’s request Colonel Milan, a valiant and honorable officer was overwhelmed with emotion and said “What can I refuse to such men? No, these are not men, they are devils.” Something similar to what the German Army called the U.S. Marines at the Battle of Belleau Wood in 1918.

The sacrifice of the Legionnaires enabled the relief convoy to reach the French at Puebla. Emperor Napoleon III ordered the name Camarón embroidered on the Legion’s flag and the battle became legendary in the history of warfare. The Legion came into its own after Camarón. Danjou’s wooden hand and forearm were recovered from the battlefield and returned to France 2 years following the battle.

Today, Camarón is still marked by the Legion wherever its troops are stationed much as the United States Marine Corps marks their founding. The wooden hand of Captain Danjou is removed from its case in the museum and paraded with the assembled troops. The officers serve their troops coffee symbolizing the coffee the defenders never drank and the commander of Legion at the headquarters as well as units deployed read the account of the battle. The week before the fall of their besieged redoubt at Dien Bien Phu was overrun, the Legionnaires of the 13th Demi-Brigade of the French Foreign Legion remembered the sacrifice of their predecessors at Camarón with their commander, Lieutenant Colonel Lemeunier read the story over the radio to the embattled garrison.

The Mexican Army too marks the courage of the Legionnaires with a parade, speeches made and French dignitaries including the French Ambassador and Legion veterans honored. It is a fitting tribute to the men that fought that day.

hayabusa · Post by **hayabusa** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:59 pm

Puts it in a different light does it not?
Thanks for the post Terry.

hayabusa

mark · Post by **mark** » Sun May 01, 2016 4:28 am

May they "All" rest in peace.

Mark

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Sun May 01, 2016 9:15 am

"Governments" are a joke.

I respect a fighter and any tough *** that will stand and fight any way he can. Most men like this do it for themselves and their friends and family, nothing else. They don't care if anyone "knows" about it or builds monuments.
I don't care where they are from or what their "politics" are.

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Sun May 01, 2016 10:39 am

Well, as usual, Mr. Murbach has added nothing positive to this thread (or any thread he invades). Mr. Murbach may know something about guns, and he has hung out with some real gun men, he is consistently rude and often spews vomit about things he knows little about (I thought he had left this forum, but alas, he still lives). If my Momma were still alive she would hunt down the fat old man, kick him in the head once for every Texan Patriot that died at the Alamo, and pi$$ on his grave. Perhaps he should make a trip to San Antonio and give his "opinion" to some Texans and see how well he's welcomed. That is if the city isn't over run by wetbacks..

What next Murback? After glorifying a bunch of dead foreigners, and disrespecting some American Patriots, are you gonna burn an American Flag?

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun May 01, 2016 10:13 pm

Yesterday, I politely PMd TERRY and asked why he held the Alamo is low esteem. He answered, and asked me to post his reply to me on the thread.....

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I DON'T BLAINE, NOT AT ALL. THEY WERE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE ALAMO, DISOBEYED THOSE ORDERS, AND ALL OF 'EM DIED NEEDLESSLY. NOT A darn ONE OF 'EM SHOULD HAVE DIED THERE, BLAINE.
CALLING 'EM 'WHITE TRASH' IS A STRETCH FOR SURE,[ THEY WERE THE DREGS AVALIABLE..] BUT THE TRUTH IN THAT THEY ALL DIED IN NO TIME FLAT ONCE SANTA ANNA ATTACKED. ALL OF 'EM LIED TO BE THERE, ALL OF 'EM DIED FOR NOTHING, AND THEY WERE NOT THE CROWNING GLORIOUS HEROES ALL OF TEXAS HISTORY DEEMS THEM TO BE. BUT---BUT !!!---" REMEMBER THE ALAMO " IS STILL A GLORIOUS BATTLE CRY AND WHEN I'VE HEARD IT, IT PUTS A CHILL UP 'N' DOWN MY SPINE I KID YOU NOT !!!

OF COURSE EVERYTIME ONE OF MY PALS OR FRIENDS BUYS A JAP CAR, TRUCK, OR MOTORCYCLE I RUB THEIR NOSES IN " REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR " BIGTIME.

(And, some other stuff not about the thread...BSing about "stuff")

TM

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Mon May 02, 2016 5:23 pm

FWiedner wrote:I'm sure the French People have every right to be proud of the Captain and his brave men. But the plain fact is that they suffered the deserved fate of an invader in another man's homeland.

Rest in pieces, Captain.

By your logic the men who died in places like Normandy, Guadalcanal, Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan deserved their fate.

Thank God you make up part of a small minority of ungrateful fools who inhabit this country. Oh, and you can thank those who died in these and many more places for the right to express your opinion.

I'd be more than happy to introduce you to some folks who were in those places, but you'd likely pee all over yourself.

Barcelona Rick · Post by **Barcelona Rick** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:56 pm

BlaineG wrote:Yesterday, I politely PMd TERRY and asked why he held the Alamo is low esteem. He answered, and asked me to post his reply to me on the thread.....

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I DON'T BLAINE, NOT AT ALL. THEY WERE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE ALAMO, DISOBEYED THOSE ORDERS, AND ALL OF 'EM DIED NEEDLESSLY. NOT A darn ONE OF 'EM SHOULD HAVE DIED THERE, BLAINE.
CALLING 'EM 'WHITE TRASH' IS A STRETCH FOR SURE,[ THEY WERE THE DREGS AVALIABLE..] BUT THE TRUTH IN THAT THEY ALL DIED IN NO TIME FLAT ONCE SANTA ANNA ATTACKED. ALL OF 'EM LIED TO BE THERE, ALL OF 'EM DIED FOR NOTHING, AND THEY WERE NOT THE CROWNING GLORIOUS HEROES ALL OF TEXAS HISTORY DEEMS THEM TO BE. BUT---BUT !!!---" REMEMBER THE ALAMO " IS STILL A GLORIOUS BATTLE CRY AND WHEN I'VE HEARD IT, IT PUTS A CHILL UP 'N' DOWN MY SPINE I KID YOU NOT !!!

OF COURSE EVERYTIME ONE OF MY PALS OR FRIENDS BUYS A JAP CAR, TRUCK, OR MOTORCYCLE I RUB THEIR NOSES IN " REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR " BIGTIME.

(And, some other stuff not about the thread...BSing about "stuff")

TM

Blaine some wonder why people stay away from what was once a jewel of a forum. TM remarks about the defenders of the Alamo and his over the top comments wear thin on some. The boot lickers come along and jump in to defend all of his remarks because he "has been there and done that". This thread died 4 years ago and darn if TM doesn't come along and kick the cow patty after it had crusted over. We Texans have a great deal of respect for those that serve, those that have served and those that will serve. Some people from outside Texas don't understand and probably never will...that's okay...just don't insult those that gave their life's for a cause they deeply believed in...

rick

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:17 pm

Barcelona Rick wrote:
BlaineG wrote:Yesterday, I politely PMd TERRY and asked why he held the Alamo is low esteem. He answered, and asked me to post his reply to me on the thread.....

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I DON'T BLAINE, NOT AT ALL. THEY WERE ORDERED TO LEAVE THE ALAMO, DISOBEYED THOSE ORDERS, AND ALL OF 'EM DIED NEEDLESSLY. NOT A darn ONE OF 'EM SHOULD HAVE DIED THERE, BLAINE.
CALLING 'EM 'WHITE TRASH' IS A STRETCH FOR SURE,[ THEY WERE THE DREGS AVALIABLE..] BUT THE TRUTH IN THAT THEY ALL DIED IN NO TIME FLAT ONCE SANTA ANNA ATTACKED. ALL OF 'EM LIED TO BE THERE, ALL OF 'EM DIED FOR NOTHING, AND THEY WERE NOT THE CROWNING GLORIOUS HEROES ALL OF TEXAS HISTORY DEEMS THEM TO BE. BUT---BUT !!!---" REMEMBER THE ALAMO " IS STILL A GLORIOUS BATTLE CRY AND WHEN I'VE HEARD IT, IT PUTS A CHILL UP 'N' DOWN MY SPINE I KID YOU NOT !!!

OF COURSE EVERYTIME ONE OF MY PALS OR FRIENDS BUYS A JAP CAR, TRUCK, OR MOTORCYCLE I RUB THEIR NOSES IN " REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR " BIGTIME.

(And, some other stuff not about the thread...BSing about "stuff")

TM
Blaine some wonder why people stay away from what was once a jewel of a forum. TM remarks about the defenders of the Alamo and his over the top comments wear thin on some. The boot lickers come along and jump in to defend all of his remarks because he "has been there and done that". This thread died 4 years ago and darn if TM doesn't come along and kick the cow patty after it had crusted over. We Texans have a great deal of respect for those that serve, those that have served and those that will serve. Some people from outside Texas don't understand and probably never will...that's okay...just don't insult those that gave their life's for a cause they deeply believed in...

rick

I'm sadly reminded of the Phrase "Safe Space", and why some can't tolerate a different opinion. And, please don't urinate down my back about only Texans "understand"....Just like Americans, Texans all came from somewhere else.

BTW, I still love it here. Why not participate? Seems like maybe you've shown up just to mash in the crusty top of that cow patty, too?

Barcelona Rick · Post by **Barcelona Rick** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:35 pm

[quote="BlaineG"[/quote]

I'm sadly reminded of the Phrase "Safe Space", and why some can't tolerate a different opinion. And, please don't urinate down my back about only Texans "understand"....Just like Americans, Texans all came from somewhere else.

BTW, I still love it here. Why not participate? Seems like maybe you've shown up just to mash in the crusty top of that cow patty, too?

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Blaine my comments were not aimed at you sir. My comments dealt with the fact that Texans are very proud of Texas history. Never said anything about Texans being the only people to understand. TM's attack was directed at those that gave their life's during the defense of the Alamo...did not see a lot of blow back about his comments. "Lying, drunk, thieves" followed by "Dregs..... they served no purpose in their deaths"...do you sir think those are fair comments ? Differing opinions ? Why does TM's opinion make sense while my comments remind you of needing a "Safe Space" ? You are right in one sense sir...I should have skipped right over this thread...

rick

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:37 pm

It still is a jewel of a forum. One contentious thread doesn't change that.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:51 pm

Barcelona Rick wrote:[quote="BlaineG"

I'm sadly reminded of the Phrase "Safe Space", and why some can't tolerate a different opinion. And, please don't urinate down my back about only Texans "understand"....Just like Americans, Texans all came from somewhere else.

BTW, I still love it here. Why not participate? Seems like maybe you've shown up just to mash in the crusty top of that cow patty, too?

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Blaine my comments were not aimed at you sir. My comments dealt with the fact that Texans are very proud of Texas history. Never said anything about Texans being the only people to understand. TM's attack was directed at those that gave their life's during the defense of the Alamo...did not see a lot of blow back about his comments. "Lying, drunk, thieves" followed by "Dregs..... they served no purpose in their deaths"...do you sir think those are fair comments ? Differing opinions ? Why does TM's opinion make sense while my comments remind you of needing a "Safe Space" ? You are right in one sense sir...I should have skipped right over this thread...

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Perhaps my sarcasm was out of line..... Sorry.
I will hold to my opinion that this is still one of the best places on the 'Net..... I would non-sarcastically say that if former attendees are not satisfied with content, they could post something that suits them?