So, I'm Waiting For Election Results . . . .

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:59 pm

I thought I'd do something useful while waiting for the election results to start coming in so I figured I'd do some handloading after an early dinner. I got out some of my stock and worked up 700 rds of 230grn moly-coated 45acp for my new Springfield Range Officer. It took me just over an hour to handload them on my 650.

I figure that making ammo is a good way to wait out the results. It's relaxing, productive, and has helped cleanse my brain of those political commercial images from the thousands of commercials we were subjected to here as one of the seven swing states.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:12 pm

Well done

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:18 pm

It's not over in CO yet, but, Mitten and Kitten seem to be up 30 some %....And up 10 EVs total. Long ways to go.

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:58 pm

COSteve wrote:"I thought I'd do something useful while waiting for the election results to start coming in so I figured I'd do some handloading after an early dinner. I got out some of my stock and worked up 700 rds of 230grn moly-coated 45acp..."

Well gee, based on what will happen later tonight...

...that's either "more than enough" or just "a good start"!

Prayers up for the good 'ol USA either way!

< We really need a Patriotic smiley face! >

Old No7

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Might want to think about load development. I'll be surprised if we know who is POTUS before thanksgiving.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:51 pm

Unfortunately, if YOmama wins Florida (likely now with what's outstanding) then this race is over. If that happens then I'll be spending more time in front of my press making plenty of 'boolits'. As I see it, the problems we Republicans face are first, our platform continues to include a religious component that's not popular with the majority of the electorate.

Second, our platform also includes a plank that dictates taking family planning out of the hands of the family and putting it into the hands of the state. Not withstanding whether you agree or not, the majority of the nation does not agree with this position either.

Third, we haven't embraced the the growing Latino population's issues so we're conceding a growing electorate, further weakening our ability to win. The result is that many people refuse to support the Republications and so we will continue to lose elections and therefore concede power to the Democrats.

TomD · Post by **TomD** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:04 pm

Yeah, those are some of the issues. The problem for Romney was that the Tea Party win in the midterms shifted the momentum to a place where it does not exist in the national race. Romney was the right candidate for a republican party that did not show up.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:07 pm

COSteve wrote:As I see it, the problems we Republicans face are first, our platform continues to include a religious component that's not popular with the majority of the electorate.

Second, our platform also includes a plank that dictates taking family planning out of the hands of the family and putting it into the hands of the state. Not withstanding whether you agree or not, the majority of the nation does not agree with this position either.

Third, we haven't embraced the the growing Latino population's issues so we're conceding a growing electorate, further weakening our ability to win. The result is that many people refuse to support the Republications and so we will continue to lose elections and therefore concede power to the Democrats.

Yep. MOST people in this nation (not counting the leeches, looters, and moochers) value responsibility are desire freedom, in ALL aspects of their lives. Republicans promise financial/material freedom, but the party refuses to allow any candidate who favors moral/spiritual freedom to get very far. So it comes down to a choice of "do I want the government in my wallet or in my bedroom...?" - most people prefer to make their OWN moral decisions, and answer to GOD for them, rather than answer to any elected politician.

I wish the Republican 'leadership' understood what COSteve just pointed out; we'd have had a string of far better presidents and senators...

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:34 pm

Well shucks . . . . . . CNN Project YOmama will win again.

Time to fire up the press and make some more ammo. Now that I've got a couple thousand 45acp, first up are a couple thousand 68grn .223, then I need a thousand more .308, 30-06, and a few thousand more 40s&w. Next up I'll run a a few thousand more 357mag for my leverguns and maybe a thousand 30-30. Lastly, I'll make up a few thousand more 30 Carbine rds. I've got thousands of rds of each caliber in ammo cans already but I figure that the enjoyment of making more 'boolits' will help soothe the disappointment of our poor showing in the election.

AJMD429 is spot on, as long as our party refuses to include in our platform, the moral / spiritual freedom the vast majority of the electorate demands, we will be sitting on the sidelines watching instead of governing. We're handing the country over to a Muslim Socialist for another 4 years and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:49 am

COSteve wrote: Time to fire up the press and make some more ammo.

Nope, I'm afraid I'll load one round and shoot myself with it.

Keeping it all locked up for now.

Udy · Post by **Udy** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:05 am

I kinda wonder if a repuplican could ever win again. Seriously. As a country we are getting more and more lazy. Lazy people do vote for the folks with the freebys and handout programs. Where is the insentive to vote for someone that wants you to actually WORK for a living, or be RESPONSABLE for your own choices in life?

wilko · Post by **wilko** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:53 am

Udy wrote:I kinda wonder if a repuplican could ever win again. Seriously. As a country we are getting more and more lazy. Lazy people do vote for the folks with the freebys and handout programs. Where is the insentive to vote for someone that wants you to actually WORK for a living, or be RESPONSABLE for your own choices in life?

Why work when you can get a free Obama phone ?

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:30 am

I guess the cost of firearms and ammunition is about to ramp up

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:32 am

God help us.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:46 am

We Republicans have to take a serious look at revising our party's platform or risk becoming a footnote in history. I've been a Republican for close to 60 years but I feel alienated by my part's current platform and I'm not alone. Most here would argue that individual freedom as well as a separation of church and state are cornerstones of our beliefs. If true, then why are we as a party so intent upon dictating the moral, religious, and social direction of the people through the government?

I for one disagree with our platform on gays and women's reproductive rights, not because I don't agree with the position but rather because I don't agree that these should be the purview of government. I believe that these are personal issues that have no place in politics. It's clear that the vast majority of the American population shares my position and until Republicans come to accept this fact we will be perceived as out of touch with the nation.

Sad but true but now back to handloading. Today, the day before I turn 65, I plan to handload some more calibers. It's a way to calmly digest the events of last night and reflect upon the way forward.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:53 am

Christians MOST often misapply II Chronicles 7:14
If MY people who are called by MY name will ...turn from THEIR wicked ways
it's not about legislating morality, it's about looking in the mirror

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:56 am

Udy wrote:I kinda wonder if a republican could ever win again. Seriously. As a country we are getting more and more lazy. Lazy people do vote for the folks with the freebys and handout programs. Where is the insentive to vote for someone that wants you to actually WORK for a living, or be RESPONSABLE for your own choices in life?

I too am starting to think this way. Watching how an urban county will leverage an entire state, well, it's almost like they hold the states hostage. There's just too many of them concentrated in those cities.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:59 am

bulldog1935 wrote:Christians MOST often misapply II Chronicles 7:14
If MY people who are called by MY name will ...turn from THEIR wicked ways
it's not about legislating morality, it's about looking in the mirror

Exactly, it shouldn't be government that dictates morality but rather individuals who choose a path that they can live with.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:08 am

Steve, I am with you on this disappointing morning. I'm a Goldwater "it's none of the government's darned business" conservative in search of a POLITICAL party, not an ecumenical movement. That government is best that governs least.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:10 am

If the republican party deos not effectivly reform itself, or a viable 3rd party emerges; this is the wave of the future.

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:28 am

COSteve wrote: As I see it, the problems we Republicans face are first, our platform continues to include a religious component that's not popular with the majority of the electorate.

Second, our platform also includes a plank that dictates taking family planning out of the hands of the family and putting it into the hands of the state. Not withstanding whether you agree or not, the majority of the nation does not agree with this position either.

Third, we haven't embraced the the growing Latino population's issues so we're conceding a growing electorate, further weakening our ability to win. The result is that many people refuse to support the Republications and so we will continue to lose elections and therefore concede power to the Democrats.

Steve...excellent analogy and then add in the expectations of what the government will give me and we have a recipe for the end of freedom of the individual.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:27 am

I'm sick of hearing Conservatives, and Christians especially turn on themselves. Progressives have had thir way in both groups hence our division. The problem is simple. Milllions voted to elect a man because of the color of his skin and his protection of their right to kill their children. Largely women who have no interest in live and let live and who wouldn't listen to you if you were the only person on earth. They out bred you in the cities which carry the political clout.
I'll pass on the drug argument, but on issues of life and sin, I will never agree to call evil good and good, evil. I would encourage others to do the same. Stand fast!

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:33 am

Calm down Chris, this too shall pass.
Remember, nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Besides, why do think they call it dope?......... Because it makes you stupid!!!!!!!

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:35 am

Mescalero wrote:Calm down Chris, this too shall pass.
Remember, nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Besides, why do think they call it dope?......... Because it makes you stupid!!!!!!!

I'm OK.....actually not that surprised. I will remove my family from my current place however, and will get to a state that is likely to refuse this President's decrees and mandates.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:38 am

I'm OK.....actually not that surprised. I will remove my family from my current place however, and will get to a state that is likely to refuse this President's decrees and mandates

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:40 am

And that place will be a better place for your precense.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:43 am

Pitchy,
You serious?
Between your shop and my shop, we could get some serious trouble!!!!!!!

DixieBoy · Post by **DixieBoy** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:45 am

C. Cash - That's what a lot of folks are thinking today. Can't blame them one bit.

Florida used to be reliably conservative, but this state was just inches away from being an O victory last night.

We also lost a really great congressman, Lt. Col Allen West, just to the south of me.

I'm thinking that there are some states which will resist what's coming more than others will. And those states
are the ones that will be worth going to, and contributing what we can to the positive of those states as well,
meaning, to be an asset rather than a drain or a liability. - DixieBoy

P.S. - Mescalero, I just got one of those "another post has been added since you began yours..." messages here,
and see what you wrote. Spot On ! my friend. Spot on !

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:50 am

Mescalero wrote:Pitchy,
You serious?
Between your shop and my shop, we could get some serious trouble!!!!!!!

Yep, putting it on the market next week.
Between my messed up dysfunctional family and being surrounded by Dem's and other idiots i`ve had it.
Gotta figure out which state is best and have to sell in order to do it but that`s my goal.
Where are you located if ya don`t mind saying.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:07 am

Currently I am at my house in Az. waiting for the reclamation bond to begin mining,
but I have a place in N.M. both good places.
N.M. went blue last night but that is because the wierdos in Alb. & Las Cruces are all mentally challenged from living on top of one another, it's not like that out of town.

Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:15 am

C. Cash wrote:
Mescalero wrote:Calm down Chris, this too shall pass.
Remember, nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Besides, why do think they call it dope?......... Because it makes you stupid!!!!!!!
I'm OK.....actually not that surprised. I will remove my family from my current place however, and will get to a state that is likely to refuse this President's decrees and mandates.

Come on down to AZ. We struck down most of the idiocy out here with common sense

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:44 am

looks like we're going to head to the Politics forum with this, but Romney lost because Americans look for a scapegoat for their lot in life, Obama painted him as that scapegoat, and he didn't do a good enough job of proving to Americans that he isn't the bad guy.

The entire campaign was seeing the bad guy either as taxes or as big business.
More Americans think big business is the bad guy than think taxes is the bad guy.
We as a nation are shooting ourselves in the foot.
Stock markets all over the world are tanking today because of the election result.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:31 pm

Udy wrote:I kinda wonder if a repuplican could ever win again. Seriously. As a country we are getting more and more lazy. Lazy people do vote for the folks with the freebys and handout programs. Where is the insentive to vote for someone that wants you to actually WORK for a living, or be RESPONSABLE for your own choices in life?

Even the hard-working people are disgusted with having the government dictate who they can marry, and what they can eat, drink, or breathe... The Republican Party basically sucks, and the only 'reason' many of us gravitate to it is it's supposedly the only 'electable' alternative to the Democrats. But, as we just saw, with the Republican's economic policies drifting towards socialism-lite, they have now even ceased being the 'electable' alternative.

I can't help but think that Ron Paul as a nominee would have been able to get elected, because his economic policies were actually 'conservative' instead of Democrat-lite, and his moral policies respected spiritual freedom instead of defining and legislating morality.

All the "drug warrior" Republicans, and the ones determined to legislate the definition of "marriage" instead of leave it to GOD and his Church(es), need to quit sabotaging the primary elections - we are not going to get such candidates elected, nor should we.

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:33 pm

People hate rich sucessfull conservative christian people. Now rich liberal democrats are different. Witness the kennedys. It`s hard to put your finger on where this country turned but I would say we got spoiled with the good times at the end of world war two. A spoiled generation springing up as vietnam protesters, hippey-yuppee drug culture and with the civil rights movement all at the same time. I am 71. I think if you are 65 and older it would take those of us that seen it to get a amen. Now I did work down south in 1962 to 1964 to get a opinion. First it was reverse discrimenation, then political correctness. "Free sex", tolerance of all off beat cults and non christian religions. Permissiveness of movies and tv. We got to the point that absolutely nothing we see shocks us anymore. Unions sprang up that protected the lazy and united to demand high wages and benifits that snowballed inflation and finaly drove companys to other countrys or fold up. We got the idea in this country that everyone deserved a college education and others should pay for it. People that couldnt afford a dog house were given loans to buy far over their head`s. That inflated houses to 3 times their worth. Bubble broke. If I remember right when I went to school they told us we were born into about $2,500s of nnational debt. I just heard it now is 100 times that, about $240,000s!! I think most of us here belong to one or two seperate groups, maybe both. 1. Some of us belive in the end times, tribulation, reserection etc. 2. Some belive in survivalist, stocking up etc.
Years ago one of my best friends become a new christian. He was a wounded green beret from nam. He was a heavy survivalist. I asked him, Marty, if you are a christian why are you also a survivalist stocking up on ammo, guns, food etc? Arent we as christians suppose to trust in God and will be taken up durring the tribulation? He thought that one over for a minute and told me, "I guess I am hedging my bet!" To some small extendt I am that way too. However I am pushing 72, over 300 pounds, bad knees and have pretty much lived my life. I aint afraid for me, but am worried for my 17 year younger wife, kids and grandkids and their future.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:52 pm

AJMD429 wrote:...All the "drug warrior" Republicans, and the ones determined to legislate the definition of "marriage" instead of leaving it to GOD and his Church(es), need to quit sabotaging the primary elections - we are not going to get such candidates elected, nor should we.

Stop.

Making.

Sense.

It hurts the brains of (R)eligous types...

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:02 pm

you want to see how the other side thinks?
I don't agree with them, and I think their views of us are more warped than our views of them (chalk it up as a success to the left-wing fear-mongers). But these are not chimp-screaming Huffingtonites.
This is a group of urbanites - bicycle commuters, bike shop owners, and the manufacturer of one of the last US-made bicycles - professionals and businessmen - they consider their views to be Mainstream America, and us to be right-wing radicals. They don't talk about anything economic, and believe we are trying to put them and their friends in jail.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr ... 7xPbM57BlU
of course, by definition, they don't buy a lot of gas

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:33 pm

bulldog1935 wrote:you want to see how the other side thinks?
I don't agree with them, and I think their views of us are more warped than our views of them (chalk it up as a success to the left-wing fear-mongers). But these are not chimp-screaming Huffingtonites.
This is a group of urbanites - bicycle commuters, bike shop owners, and the manufacturer of one of the last US-made bicycles - professionals and businessmen - they consider their views to be Mainstream America, and us to be right-wing radicals. They don't talk about anything economic, and believe we are trying to put them and their friends in jail.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr ... 7xPbM57BlU

Link doesn't work for non-Googlites, BUT...

They are probably right as far as it goes.

How many "Moral" "Laws" does the Conservative Right want to impose on people who have no intention of doing harm to anyone?

How many "Moral"/Religious (Sharia) Laws does the Conservative Right want to impose on people who don't attend their specific Denomination?

When does "Sprinkling" become a crime vs. "Dunking"? (People have DIED over this little bit of insanity)

Dunking vs Sprinkling. Wine vs Grape Juice. Predestination vs Free Will. etc, etc, etc.

And this is just between "PROTESTANTS".

Forget the "legal" differences between Protestants, Catholics, Eastern Rite Orthodox, Jews, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, JWs, etc, etc, etc... the "differences" WITHIN sects are deadly enough.

They most certainly have the right to be scared. HISTORY gives them that Right. That's why Jefferson IMPLORED his contemporaries to ensure the US was an Ethical but SECULAR government.

Does that totally rational/historical fear counter the totally rational/historical reality of DemSocalisim? not IMO, but I don't have access to other's brains.

OTOH, and FWIW, "bicycle riding urbanites" have only ONE advantage over us Rural types... Raw Numbers. But when you consider that EACH Rural Patriot with a "Basic Load" is good for, at a minimum, 125 attacking Urban Bicyclists ... well...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:49 pm

Panzercat wrote:
C. Cash wrote:
Mescalero wrote:Calm down Chris, this too shall pass.
Remember, nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Besides, why do think they call it dope?......... Because it makes you stupid!!!!!!!
I'm OK.....actually not that surprised. I will remove my family from my current place however, and will get to a state that is likely to refuse this President's decrees and mandates.
Come on down to AZ. We struck down most of the idiocy out here with common sense

Someday, when I have a little chunk of money coming, I'll be looking south of Sedona around Cornville/Cottonwood, or a bit more south....If my frickkin' 401 doesn't evaporate, that should take care of 10 year paper on a couple acres with power, water, etc.....
Washington just passed legal pot... I voted for it, but, I imagine that all the stoners will run amok now

Good wingshooting practice

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:51 pm

BlaineG wrote:I imagine that all the stoners will run amok now Good wingshooting practice

you're only in danger if you get between them and the 7-11 at 2 am - and even then, flash a light at them, and they'll laugh themselves silly

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:07 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Panzercat wrote:
C. Cash wrote:
Mescalero wrote:Calm down Chris, this too shall pass.
Remember, nothing is ever eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Besides, why do think they call it dope?......... Because it makes you stupid!!!!!!!
I'm OK.....actually not that surprised. I will remove my family from my current place however, and will get to a state that is likely to refuse this President's decrees and mandates.
Come on down to AZ. We struck down most of the idiocy out here with common sense
Someday, when I have a little chunk of money coming, I'll be looking south of Sedona around Cornville/Cottonwood, or a bit more south....If my frickkin' 401 doesn't evaporate, that should take care of 10 year paper on a couple acres with power, water, etc.....
Washington just passed legal pot... I voted for it, but, I imagine that all the stoners will run amok now Good wingshooting practice

Not likely.

The Stoners will all be in their mama's basement's with the Pizza & Doritos Munchies.

OTOH, the people with real medical issues (like the inability to keep food down long enough to digest) might actually get enough benefit to allow them to go back to work...

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:08 pm

Read it. Always knew there was sumpin about those spandex, alien glass wearers that was different. Actualy, I have a sil that heads the list. We finaly get along if we dont talk politics. He also is liberal democrat and I hope I am wrong, but think he`s also atheist. Certain things go with the territory. He`s not the sil I have referred to on other threads. Sorry, I always have been a profiler.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:28 pm

Booger Bill wrote:Read it. Always knew there was sumpin about those spandex, alien glass wearers that was different. Actualy, I have a sil that heads the list. We finaly get along if we dont talk politics. He also is liberal democrat and I hope I am wrong, but think he`s also atheist. Certain things go with the territory. He`s not the sil I have referred to on other threads. Sorry, I always have been a profiler.

Explain.

Intellectually Honest Atheism (which is often more likely Deism/Atheocraticisim) does not lend itself to (D)emocrap Politics.

It USUALLY lends itself to Libertarian/An-Cap Politics, but NOT to any "My way or Violence to Ye" Politics.

Profiling only works when the underpinnings of the Profile are Valid.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:34 pm

No One in WA has been hassled about personal pot use for years...Growers, and dealers are another problem, usually they are affiliated with organized crime/gangs. We've had medical pot legal for several years too.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:44 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:They most certainly have the right to be scared. HISTORY gives them that Right. That's why Jefferson IMPLORED his contemporaries to ensure the US was an Ethical but SECULAR government.

That is a point the "Religioius Right" just can't seem to grasp, and that failure keeps us drifting to the very socialist police-state that they and their fellow "Conservatives" say they don't want.

bulldog1935 wrote:
BlaineG wrote:I imagine that all the stoners will run amok now Good wingshooting practice
You're only in danger if you get between them and the 7-11 at 2 am - and even then, flash a light at them, and they'll laugh themselves silly

- Another sorely-needed breath of humor in these dark times...

Old Ironsights wrote:OTOH, and FWIW, "bicycle riding urbanites" have only ONE advantage over us Rural types... Raw Numbers. But when you consider that EACH Rural Patriot with a "Basic Load" is good for, at a minimum, 125 attacking Urban Bicyclists ... well...

- Even funnier - "...attacking Urban Bicyclists..." THAT's an image right out of Monty Python...!

bulldog1935 wrote:you want to see how the other side thinks?
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr ... 7xPbM57BlU - of course, by definition, they don't buy a lot of gas

If I were on that forum, I'd counter their "Who rode their bicycle to vote today?" with a couple other threads...

"Who carried a concealed weapon when they voted today...?", or
"Who drove a gas-guzzler or semi-truck when they voted today...?", or
"Who made snide comments about stupid LibTards when voting today...?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:48 pm

BlaineG wrote:No One in WA has been hassled about personal pot use for years...Growers, and dealers are another problem, usually they are affiliated with organized crime/gangs. We've had medical pot legal for several years too.

Glad to hear it. The Feds have attacked Individuals in Ca for a good bit now.

Of course, it's pretty hard to be a "Personal User" unless you can get it from a Grower or "Dealer"...

Go Figure.

FWIW, consider this:

Hippies/Dopers don't comprehend Capitalism... unless you point out to them that, unless they give it away, they are Capitalists when they sell their Dope.

Even someone with a heavy THC Resistor Pack suddenly Lights Up like a 150w bulb when that makes it through the haze.

That's when Democrat Dopers become Libertarian Dopers... and as long as they don't act any more unethically than Cigarette Marketers, well, Same Same.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:49 pm

AJMD429 wrote:...Even funnier - "...attacking Urban Bicyclists..." THAT's an image right out of Monty Python...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:51 pm

Booger Bill wrote:Read it. Always knew there was sumpin about those spandex, alien glass wearers that was different.

hi Bill, this group isn't actually the spandex wearers. They're the "old school" retro cyclists who ride steel bikes and wear merino wool.

But you see what is clear is that they fear us, and they consider themselves to be main stream.

If you look at last night's EC map, you'll see the reason the parties will never be able to come together again. It's the major urban centers against the rest of the country. The very reason we had a republic to begin with - rather than a democracy - so the cities would never dictate against the rural areas. Well, it's happened anyway, and it's the scare tactics of the media, needing to spin every news story for 360 hours, that has done it.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:39 pm

bulldog1935 wrote:
Booger Bill wrote:Read it. Always knew there was sumpin about those spandex, alien glass wearers that was different.
hi Bill, this group isn't actually the spandex wearers. They're the "old school" retro cyclists who ride steel bikes and wear merino wool.

But you see what is clear is that they fear us, and they consider themselves to be main stream.

If you look at last night's EC map, you'll see the reason the parties will never be able to come together again. It's the major urban centers against the rest of the country. The very reason we had a republic to begin with - rather than a democracy - so the cities would never dictate against the rural areas. Well, it's happened anyway, and it's the scare tactics of the media, needing to spin every news story for 360 hours, that has done it.

That's because of Two major Oversights by the Founders:

#1: No Penalty Clause for violating the BoR.
and
#2: Not anticipating a European Style concentration of Power/Votes in Urban Areas and making sure that the Electoral College was NOT a "Popular Vote, Winner Takes All" hedge, but a "District Vote, Winner takes District" Hedge...

#1 is inexcusable. #2 is understandable, but could have been foreseen...

nemhed · Post by **nemhed** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:03 am

bulldog1935 wrote:you want to see how the other side thinks?
I don't agree with them, and I think their views of us are more warped than our views of them (chalk it up as a success to the left-wing fear-mongers). But these are not chimp-screaming Huffingtonites.
This is a group of urbanites - bicycle commuters, bike shop owners, and the manufacturer of one of the last US-made bicycles - professionals and businessmen - they consider their views to be Mainstream America, and us to be right-wing radicals. They don't talk about anything economic, and believe we are trying to put them and their friends in jail.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr ... 7xPbM57BlU
of course, by definition, they don't buy a lot of gas

I haven't posted here in quite awhile, but I still lurk on occasion. If this thread had been in the political section I wouldn't even have seen it. The above post (and the replies to it, edit) did crack me up though. I rode my bicycle to the polls to vote, parked right next to the door and got some funny looks. After voting I then rode a 20 mile loop through the county scouting some places to call coyotes this winter. Then I went home and shot my new 17 hmr. All in all a great way to celebrate my freedom and I didn't spend a dime on gasoline.

Oh, and I regularly commute to work 22 miles a day by bicycle, where I work as an environmental health specialist for my county health department. So for those of you into labeling, I'm a gun-toting, animal-killing, NRA member, tree-hugging-environmentalist, green-recycling, society-blood-sucking public employee. That's all I can think of for now.

What I find way more disturbing than the election results is the level of hatred and intolerance in politics and society as a whole in this country; the "if you don't think like me, you're an idiot" mentality. To echo one of the posts from the above link; I tend to discuss politics and religion only with people I'm intimate with.
Please see my second post on this thread.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:24 am

the only labels I put on members of Rivbike forum was urbanite, professional, businessmen.
I was pointing out the self-described mainstream Obama voters there and their less than complimentary views of conservatives, the facts they see the issues as all social and none as economic, along with the outrageously unfounded fears they voiced regarding conservatives - put their gay friends or women who have had abortions in the past in jail?

I rode my bicycle to vote, too.

Regarding the environment, the label conservative originated with those who wanted to conserve our natural resources.
The most environmentally influential president in our history was Richard Nixon.
You'd be hard-pressed to find a more environmentally conscious group of people than this forum.
I personally am involved in conservation organizations on local, state and national levels - my small part

the polarity remains between the several major population centers and the entire rest of the nation, and it is fueled by fear-mongering in the media, which must spin every story for 360 hours in order to create 24/day entertainment.