well I guess I'm a primitive life form

[FLINT]

Just got the new field and stream today and was flipping through.

on page 18 is a Q&A with Petzal. the second question is about inherently accurate cartridges. Petzal makes an interesting comment:

No ammo maker with any sense is going to go to a lot of trouble with 30/30 rounds, because the average 30/30 user is a primitive life form who doesn't expect or need a lot of accuracy.

[Blaine]

Whatever Both mine shoot better than I expect them to with iron sights.....The 336 with ghost ring and big old HiViz scored about .6 or so in the Ranch Dog Postal Match. The old 1951 94 into an inch at 50 yards with out even trying very hard with factory sights....

[Griff]

Just got the new field and stream today and was flipping through.
on page 18 is a Q&A with Petzal. the second question is about inherently accurate cartridges. Petzal makes an interesting comment:
No ammo maker with any sense is going to go to a lot of trouble with 30/30 rounds, because the average 30/30 user is a primitive life form who doesn't expect or need a lot of accuracy.

Another good reason not to subscribe. If it was an attempt at humor... well... what do you expect from an idiot.

[Blaine]

I'm a huge fan of Jeff Cooper's definition of a "Good Group".....BANG...did you hit it? Yes? Good Group!!

[2ndovc]

Every .30WCF I've ever owned has been 1-2" shooter at 100 yds.
My dad has a 1954 Model 94 that I can't make shoot better that 4" at 100 yds. Haven't figured out it's problem yet.

I guess I'm another lesser life form, NOT!

Mr. Whatshisname can blow it out his hole!!

And he better not venture into the Woods of PA.
All those lower life forms may just catch him and grill him.

jb

[FWiedner]

Whatever.

Just another nancy-boy who has probably never handled an arm in, or spent time in the field actually hunting with, the caliber of which he is so dismissive.

[jeepnik]

Don't know who the writer is, but I guess he's just a youngster with dilusions of knowing anything.

[tman]

Really sad to see . I'm no gunwriter , but i have never shot an inaccurate 30-30 even with boxmart sale ammo.Every one of them shoots better than I can. I have seen ALOT of people who don't know how to shoot. I quit buying gun rags long ago, because of EXPERTS like him

[2ndovc]

If I remember correctly this is the same dingle berry that came down on EBR guys @ 6-8 years ago
and got his heinnie handed to him!

Full of stupid things to say apparently.


jb

[Chuck 100 yd]

Oooga Maaaaaagimba!! What he know?? Me likum .30-30...

[jnyork]

Does this guy write for The Onion? What a dunce.

Classic example of why I quit, long ago, subscribing to gun rags and hunting rags. Waste of good ammo money.

[Ji in Hawaii]

Just got the new field and stream today and was flipping through.

on page 18 is a Q&A with Petzal. the second question is about inherently accurate cartridges. Petzal makes an interesting comment:

No ammo maker with any sense is going to go to a lot of trouble with 30/30 rounds, because the average 30/30 user is a primitive life form who doesn't expect or need a lot of accuracy.

I consider myself above average then.

[AJMD429]

I guess I'm used-enough to the 'ribbing' that others shell out that I thought it was kind of funny. Those who know better will just shrug and quietly kill deer with their primitive 30-30's, and those who don't will just have to meet one of 'us' to be enlightened someday...

[Malamute]

I recall reading back in the 70's, that some writers or the factory were testing a new model 94 and a new model 70, and the model 94 was more accurate. May not be typical, but most of them shoot fasirly well. I've had several that have shot under 1" groups for 3 shots @ 100 yards. They may not do it every time, but the fact that they did it puts some of the claims of inaccuracy in perspective.

[Shasta]

These are the same guys who think there really is such a thing as "dead", "deader", and "deadest"!

SHASTA

[3leggedturtle]

Kinda sounds like the guys at the range that lock their .378 T-Rex in a vise and brag about 2" groups at 100 yards with a 12X scope. Then they talk smack about leverguns, but refuse to stand at 400 yards and catch the bullets from such a weak cartridge.

[awp101]

OK, I'll bite. Who is Petzal?

2nd, that was Zumbo. And after being dismissed from just about every outlet that used his work due to pressure from gun owners, he "saw the light"...

[Ji in Hawaii]

OK, I'll bite. Who is Petzal?

Not who, but what!

[Griff]

That made me stew. So I did what I almost always do when I'm upset. Write 'em. If it burns you, write to: fsletters@bonniercorp.com.

Mine:

Really? On page 18 is a Q&A with David Petzal. the second question is about inherently accurate cartridges. Petzal makes an interesting comment:

“No ammo maker with any sense is going to go to a lot of trouble with 30/30 rounds, because the average 30/30 user is a primitive life form who doesn't expect or need a lot of accuracy.”

“…Primitive life form…?” As many adherents to the grand ol’ cartridge, {which, if I’m not mistaken, is still the all-time deer getter}, say, “… just how dead does it need to be?”

If this was an attempt at humor, it falls flat. Ranks up there with Jim Zumbo’s comment about ARs in the hunting field. Now I’ll admit that my Remington 700 in 7mmRemMag is more accurate than my Winchester 94 in .30-30… but no one laughed at the ¾” groups it’ll shoot… no one laughed at my 400 yard shot to win a match… no one laughed at the buck I bagged in 2007 at 238 yards.

Seriously, to let a writer denigrate any segment of the shooting public when our freedoms and the very fabric of the shooting sports is under attack from almost all quarters, is both negligent and short-sighted. And from those who are supposed to be an ally.

Sincerely disappointed,

[Griff]

OK, I'll bite. Who is Petzal?

Not who, but what!

Thanks Ji! I needed a good laugh!

[Buck Elliott]

I abandoned F&S nearly 50 years ago, because of such lunacy.. Some publishers still believe that Controversy Sells... Maybe so, but BS has the opposite effect !

[Gobblerforge]

I'm a huge fan of Jeff Cooper's definition of a "Good Group".....BANG...did you hit it? Yes? Good Group!!

That's some funny shtick right there.
Gobbler

[FLINT]

I think the really unfortunate thing about comments like that - is that there are probably lots of people out there that don't know any better - and will think that he is right. Maybe these are people just getting into hunting or shooting, and will be ignorant and biased from the outset and will miss out on the enjoyment of some of the types of guns and cartridges that all of us love so much.

[Bill in Oregon]

Dunno if Petzal was serious. Here is some bio on him:

David E. Petzal, the rifles field editor of "Field & Stream," has been with the publication since 1972. A graduate of Colgate University, he served in the U.S. Army from 1963 to 1969, and he began writing about rifles and rifle shooting during his service in 1964. He is a Benefactor Member of the National Rifle Association and a Life Member of the Amateur Trapshooting Association. He has hunted all over the United States and Canada, as well as in Europe, Africa, and New Zealand. Petzal wrote "The .22 Rifle" and edited "The Encyclopedia of Sporting Firearms." In 2002, he was awarded the Leupold Jack Slack Writer of the Year Award, and in 2005 he received the Zeiss Outdoor Writer of the Year Award, making him the first person to win both.

[bdhold]

all the rags write for their real audience - the sponsors.

[damienph]

OK, I'll bite. Who is Petzal?

2nd, that was Zumbo. And after being dismissed from just about every outlet that used his work due to pressure from gun owners, he "saw the light"...

I never really cared for Jim Zumbo's writing anyway. It's amazing how the sudden loss of revenue enables some to "see the light". Didn't he claim that his statements were "misrepresented" or something like that?

I am a dedicated drinker of the levergun koolaid but I really like popping prairie dogs with my 24" AR!!

[Ji in Hawaii]

Hopefully Pretzal's comments will make people want to get rid of their 30/30s and flood the used gun market with cheap 30/30s.

[Blaine]

He's entitled to his opinion, and we are entitled to laugh at him....Just like SoreShoulder and his silly 10mm

[ollogger]

Griff nice letter!

yea the guys a moron, or a Pretzal or Zumbo or sumthin


ollogger

[65bee]

I recently received my first issue of F&S in many years. It contained the article being referred to. I was blown away by the absolutely worthless content of this magazine. For openers, it is only about half the size it used to be. One of the main articles was a ridiculous piece on 1,000 yard 'sniping'! This in a supposed hunting and fishing publication. I was so disappointed in this 'rag' ,I was tempted to write it and tell them to cancel my subscription. I will predict that it will go 'belly-up' very soon. It is a poor shadow of its former self from back in the 60s and 70s. As for Petzal, I have always regarded him as a bozo as far as gun writing goes.