UP-DATE: .22 RIMFIRE, bought some TODAY...

[1894c]

Old News: ok, i have friends in the East, South, and i live in the Pacific NorthWest, none of us are seeing any .22 Rimfire, which begs the question WHY? i thought we would be seeing some by now...back in June i bought 4,000 rnds of CCI shorts (lucky) and i still have a bunch of .22 cal rim-fire stashed away...i apologize for my low-level rant, but... :(

Date: 11.14.2013 -- Went to my LGS today and bought 3 Federal Bulk-Pak (525 rnds) TODAY @ $29.00 (not great, but not too bad)...my LGD said he is starting to get some in every week...YEAH ... I want to thank you guys for all of your input and responses, the drought might be ending... :)

[Newtmaker]

I bought 4 boxes of CCI 40 g regular velocity a week ago in Walmart. First 22 LR I had seen in almost a year!!

Walt

[Larkbill]

I used to sell some mechanical seals and packing to the Olin plant in E.Alton, Illinois and was in the plant pretty often.

They plan their production a year in advance. They don't have enough people to run every line all the time, plus the equipment is pretty maintenance intense. One fellow told me they produced a years supply of rimfire ammo in about a month, then shut the line down for the maintenance folks to rebuild it. If that's still the case they have virtually no way to respond to drastically increased demand. I've been in Remington's plant in Lonoke but not enough to know if it's the same there, but wouldn't be surprised if it was.

It's somewhat my fault, I told friends and family to buy .22 and store it to use as currency. Quite a few did. Then there is the current political situation...need I say more? I doubt I was the only one looking at .22 ammo that way. Voila, instant ammo shortage.

Also Walmart doesn't help, their stocking levels are all computer controlled from Bensonville, so even if they have extra stock in the warehouse (doubtful by now) the computer has to see a trend before it responds. By then the distributers were running low.

My current policy is buy it when I see it. My bro goes to Walmart every Fri. morning to drink coffee and stand in line with the other retired guys to buy their share of whatever comes in. Apparently folks are also buying .30-30, but his store now has .223 and .308 in stock through the week.

[Don McDowell]

Most places are getting shipments of 22 ammo, but if you're not at the right place at the right time, it's gone in a matter of moments.
Grafs and Midway get some in from time to time, and the high end target ammo is staying instock fairly steadily.

[mikld]

No bricks on sale or on the shelf but CCI and Federal boxes in South West Oregon...

[86er]

In Texas, Cabelas in Ft. Worth, Allen , Waco and Buda all had 50 rd boxes of 22 LR, some CCI and some Winchester. The CCI was $3.29 per 50 and the Win was $3.19 per 50. Bass Pro in Garland has 100 rd Winchester for $9.99. There were a few dozen boxes on the shelves at each store and nobody was grabbing them or fighting over them. I think the 22 LR supply is trickling back in.

[jnyork]

Over on Gunbroker, idiots are still paying 40 bucks plus 20 bucks shipping for 17 buck bricks of Walmart ammo. As long as muttonheads continue to pay scalper prices, scalpers will have all the ammo.

[Don McDowell]

You said a mouthful there jnyork.
A while back Grafs had a good supply of most of the sk line including what they label as "magazine" ammo, comes in a 500 round can. 39$ was the price so I decided to order a can of it for some cheaper target ammo, got that order and decided to get some more, but no joy sold out.... Looked on gunbroker and there it is 79$ a can....
One of our local slobbershops no longer will ship or receive any guns or ammo for any one outside of the store as they've apparently been hammered by the ATF on being part of an unlicensed gun dealer thing...

[AJMD429]

One of our local slobbershops no longer will ship or receive any guns or ammo for any one outside of the store as they've apparently been hammered by the ATF on being part of an unlicensed gun dealer thing...

If the Republican politicians had spines or gonads, they'd shut down the ATF, as well as the DEA, EPA, and a host of other alphabet-agencies...

[Don McDowell]

They would probably mandate drug testing for doctors also..

[Blaine]

Spanaway Walmart had Value Pacs today.....I saw the last three go at about 1400hrs.....They say they are seeing some just about everyday these days.....

[J Miller]

My wife and I check WalMart's ammo cage every trip. So far not one box of 22RF in the last year or so. I've got enough to last for a while .... if I don't go shooting often, but I'd like to get a few more bricks.

Don,
Doctors have enough drugs, no need to test them. Well at least they do here in IL. Every time I went to the clinic I'd see the drug reps pull in carts full of samples. When they left the carts were always empty.

Joe

[tman]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

[harry]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

What BS, take your union turd some where else

[Old Ironsights]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

So... which do you prefer?

The irritating but occasional $25/50 ammo from scalping...

or:

$25/50 every day price to maintain the Union Wage?

[tman]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

What BS, take your union turd some where else

So you like paying Super inflated prices brought on by "created shortages?". Seems like the slide toward communism are being greased while the ill informed cheer it on. Think about it.

[harry]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

What BS, take your union turd some where else

So you like paying Super inflated prices brought on by "created shortages?". Seems like the slide toward communism are being greased while the ill informed cheer it on. Think about it.

The only communist on here is you tman, and the leaders are your union

[harry]

Start your own topic tman, sorry guys for this hijack

[Blaine]

Unions ruined Detroit. And, they are still at it. Ford wanted to build a stateside robotics Truck Line....Union would not go along with all the jobs being cut due to robotics....New Robotic Truck Line is now/will be in Mexico....Morons Every dollar spent at a big factory equals about 50 bucks spread out around the economy (after that dollar stops making the rounds through all the suppliers, stores, etc)......Union labor does NOT let the free market operate properly...and that's a fact....

[AJMD429]

Corporations today run at absolute skelton crew levels to boost the bottom line. Employees are forced to do more with less, for less. This creates back orders and shortages and inflated prices . Welcome to the "new capitalism". and the race to bottom for consumers and labor

So... which do you prefer?
The irritating but occasional $25/50 ammo from scalping...
or:
$25/50 every day price to maintain the Union Wage?

Yep. There is a BIG difference between 'capitalism' and 'crony capitalism'. . .

Capitalism (the 'Free Market' kind) is at one end of a spectrum; the 'Crony Capitalism' we have today isn't even close...

Free Market Capitalism - Regulated Market Capitalism - Socialism ('Free Market Capitalism', Corporatism, Mercantilism, etc.) - Communism

[Ysabel Kid]

My wife and I check WalMart's ammo cage every trip. So far not one box of 22RF in the last year or so. I've got enough to last for a while .... if I don't go shooting often, but I'd like to get a few more bricks.

Joe, my wife and I do the same thing. Every trip to Wally World starts with a stop at the ammo cage. Haven't seen .22 Long Rifle in stock in about the same time frame. Did luck out a few weeks back, was told about an order to be stocked the following morning, was there at 7:00am when it hit the shelves, and got the first three boxes. The rest of what they got in was sold to the next 3 people in line - it was all gone in 15 minutes!

[Old Ironsights]

Oddly enough... if you watch the market, you can get .308 FMJ for less than $0.75 a round...

[El Chivo]

for a little perspective, I read that traditionally the ammo companies only produce 34 rounds of 22lr per gun owner per year. So if all of the sudden all gun owners want some, demand is through the roof.

[Mescalero]

I shoot more than that warming up the barrel

[Old Ironsights]

I shoot more than that warming up the barrel

Most "gun owners" (probably 90%+) are JUST "gun owners"/fudds and NOT shooters...

(Which is why RKBA is not as successful a poitical meme as it should be...)

[Don McDowell]

I grew up amongst a bunch of Spanish American war, world War 1 and 2 , and Korean Vets. They all cherished the constitution, and they all owned guns. Most of those guys probably didn't fire 20 rounds of ammo a year. But they all fed their families on game meat. A very few shot trap , and handgun competition, one shot highpower matches and competeted often at Camp Perry.
Growing up I got a carton of 22 shells (brick in todays vernacular) for Christmas and that had to last me the whole year. We reloaded a box of ammo just prior to hunting season we used the leftover cartridges from the previous year to sight the rifles in.
Somehow we fast forward to today and there's the misconception that folks need to blaze away with 100s of round of ammo a week to be considered worthy of owning or even being competent with a gun.
Makes me scratch my head and wonder sometimes where does this nonsense come from.

[Mescalero]

Wait a minute Don,
I shoot my Ciener conversion to remain semi auto proficient
The Llama double action to remain double action proficient
Rem 541 for scope bolt gun practice.
By the time I am done I have used some ammo.
I still feel like I do not practice enough.

[Old Ironsights]

It's tha ATTITUDE, Don. I'd venture that none of the Old Timers you mention would ever say "Nobody needs that kind of gun", but I fought a 3 year Political WAR against a whole passal of FUDDS who had determined that nobody in Indiana "needed" anything but a shotgun... Those jerks went so far as to enlist the "help" of the Anti-Gun Left to agitate about how Evil we were to want to use even the .45 Colt Rifle vs Deer. THOSE are the type I'm talking about.

[airedaleman]

I grew up amongst a bunch of Spanish American war, world War 1 and 2 , and Korean Vets. They all cherished the constitution, and they all owned guns. Most of those guys probably didn't fire 20 rounds of ammo a year. But they all fed their families on game meat. A very few shot trap , and handgun competition, one shot highpower matches and competeted often at Camp Perry.
Growing up I got a carton of 22 shells (brick in todays vernacular) for Christmas and that had to last me the whole year. We reloaded a box of ammo just prior to hunting season we used the leftover cartridges from the previous year to sight the rifles in.
Somehow we fast forward to today and there's the misconception that folks need to blaze away with 100s of round of ammo a week to be considered worthy of owning or even being competent with a gun.
Makes me scratch my head and wonder sometimes where does this nonsense come from.

Me too. And I'm glad to there's someone else who knows how 22's are packaged - 50 rounds to a box, 10 boxes to a carton.

[tman]

Start your own topic tman, sorry guys for this hijack

So your attack on me for voicing an opinion that that doesn't fit into your brainwashed mind makes me a commie? Hopefully someday you will grow up, see the world around you and not be AFRAID to form an opinion, based on your own thoughts and opinins, and experinces before even if, God forbid, it differs from the constant bombardment of the Extreme nonsense that u buy into. It's pretty sad, if that's all u got.

[tman]

By the way, it was on topic, it's why .22 ammo is so expensive. Don't blame, I not the manufactorer.

[Larkbill]

Everything you don't like isn't a conspiracy by the "man" to keep you down.

Those of us who have managed to escape the gulag of a union job recognize your talking point bs for just what it is.

I consider myself lucky I got laid off from my "good" union job even if it did cause a couple years of chaos. I'm happier and making more money than I ever did with the help of a union. And no more of my money goes to political candidates I wouldn't bother to even shake hands with.