JFK - Ballistic evidence - 1 shooter

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:17 pm

Book - Lincoln and Kennedy: Medical and Ballistic Comparisons of Their Assassinations
http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Kennedy-B ... 0151522812

John Lattimer (author) was able to look at the xrays taken of Kennedy at autopsy and made sketches of them which are in the book. The bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and then entered Connally, definitely shows a downward track according to the xray. It definitely shows the bullet was fired from behind and at a elevated position. Kennedy's elbows flew up due to the trauma to the spine by the close proximity of the bullet impact.

The final bullet hit JFK in the back of the head and the hydraulic force generated blew out a portion of his skull along with some brain matter. The intial impact pushed his head forward and then the expulsion of the exit propelled his head backward.

"When combined with the overpowering evidence that the X-rays of {President Kennedy's} head show metallic bullet fragments arranged only from back to front in the right side of his brain case and with the skull damage all centering on the right side of his skull, we are left with absolutely no indication that he was struck from the front or right front by an additional bullet, as claimed by critics of the Warren Commission." -- J.K. Lattimer; Page 258

If there had been a shooter on the grassy knoll, Zapbruder would have jumped at the sound of a rifle being fired so close to him. That did not happen since his filming stayed steady throughout.

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Post by **Old Savage** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:56 pm

Well if you want to believe that go right ahead but I do not believe the pictures of the xrays of the head we have seen are legitimate - I have taken more than 30,000 skull xrays and looked at over 50,000 - many of those in stereo. Xrays of the bullet path when he was hit either in the neck or the back - really? There are too many bullets lying around and the body was altered between Dallas and Bethesda by what the official sources have put out. Among many many other things. The wound in the back is approx. 6 in below the collar and the bullet came out through the tie if indeed that was the way it transited. That would be upward.

Not to mention that weeks after the assassination Johnson sent the Lincoln back to Ford to be redone - the most important crime scene evidence in the history of the republic. ?????????????????????

INSIDE JOB !!!!!!!!!!!

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:54 am

Don't believe it, at all! I have shot enough deer to accurately see when a bullet exits it pulls fluid out and the bone is going to fly away from the body. This is clearly seen in the head shot on the film of the murder.
Now. I'm not a writer or a doctor and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn but redneck experience is redneck experience.

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:27 am

OS,
The trump card in all of this is that the bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and then pierced Connally was matched to the rifle found in the Book Repository. Same distinct rifling markings, same caliber. Oswald's palm print was on the rifle as well as fibers from the shirt he was wearing.

The head shot definitely came from the same direction (behind). There were bullet fragments from the bullet that impacted JFK's head that struck the inside of the windshield and were deflected downward into the passenger compartment. In 1978, neutron activation analysis was used to match the material to the same lot of ammunition used in Oswald's rifle.

I would suggest that anyone interested in the JFK assassination get the book. John Lattimer fired several hundred rounds of the same ammunition in the same type of rifle doing a number of tests to come to the conclusion that 2 of the 3 bullets fired from Oswald's rifle created all of the wounds.

We are left with our own beliefs but, for me, I have found no other evidence as convincing as the information contained in John Lattimer's book.

If anyone has some evidence otherwise, please indicate the source and where I may obtain it.

I will say that the recent "The Smoking Gun" program which indicates that the head shot came from the accidental discharge of an AR-15 held by a secret service man in the car following the president sounds plausible but the 1978 tests of the bullet fragments would indicate that is not the case.

As far as an inside job goes, that is very possible but we will never know for sure.......

buckeyeshooter,
Amen!

Oh, forgot to mention that Oswald's Marine Corps rifle score book certainly indicates that he was very capable of making the shots.
He scored 49 out of 50 in rapid fire at 200 yards (over twice the distance from the book repository to JFK). He was using the standard military rifle on that occasion.

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Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:32 am

No opinion... other than JFK was too Conservative to be allowed to mess up the plans for a Great Society...

Here's a good article though: http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/lee-har ... -it-today/

Bullard4075 · Post by **Bullard4075** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:43 am

The two books I've found most credible are:
"The Texas Connection" (LBJ set it up)
"Mortal Error" ( at least one shot was an accidental shot by the Secret Service)

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:48 pm

Do the math:
The 6.5 Carcano shot a 160 gr. bullet.
The "magic" bullet weighed 159.7 gr.
When Connaly died and was autopsied, they pulled 56 grs. of gilded jacket material out of him.
Do the math.

w30wcf · Post by **w30wcf** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:00 pm

Very interesting observations from Dr. JG retired .......

If you have interest and you get a chance, go to you tube check out the words Zapruder Film High Quality Slow Motion (Higher Quality). Download it and look at it frame by frame. Check out Fame 223 and 224. Go back and forth between those two frames. See Connelly Lapel flip as a bullet hit.

Then check out Fame 225 and see expression on Kennedys face. Also, cervical reflex of Kennedys right arm starts to come up first cause bullet strike landed on his right side in between 2 transverse processes in upper thoracic region. Bullet does not transect the spinal cord but hits close to the cord so, right arm goes up first. Left arm follows and in frame 232 full effect of elbows above shoulders with clenched fists.

He does not and is not holding the wound over his throat because he cannot use his hands due to the reflex. Most people I would think would just grasp their throat and have elbows down if they wanted to hold the wound. This is what happens when you have a spinal cord injury. Spinal cord was not transected but hydrostatic shock wave at close to inch to the cord would cause have great effect.

Further down the line frames 312 and 313 show strike from rear to back of head with head moving forward and flattening of back of head as bullet pushes to front. Confirmed on ray as one can see bones fragmented and overlapping as well as the whole right anterior lateral portion of the brain missing.

Frame 324 shows 2 white lines which are the parietal sections of skull open like bombay doors on an airplane. Brain comes thru between those 2 white bone flaps. Frame 326 thru 329 show back of head with no large hole in back of the head. Only flattening from rear bullet impact.

If you see his x ray you can see the skull cracked due to bullet shock wave with pieces overlapping. Fame 326 pink brain liquification due to high speed pressure and heat causing brain to come out between the parietal bone flaps. You can see it next to Mrs Kennedys chin.

Frame 328 and 329 shows brain coming down and out as you can see the pink area in line with Mrs Kennedy. Bullet strike at at 313 shows head pushed forward in the same proportion that a rifle butt would kick backward when firing, and then massive shock reflex at 315 throwing head backward. Not a bullet strike from the front. No splay from any bullet coming from front to back. Anyway, those are some observations for you. Use them anyway you wish.

Kennedys X rays are real and they have been confirmed numerous times since 1963. Damage in the X rays is EXACTY damage as they relate to his injuries. Watch the frame by frame capture of Zapruder. Form your own conclusions. If you time the firing, you will see its 8.5 seconds and not 6.5 or 6.

Oswald shoots officer Tippet and attempted to shoot another officer inside the movie theater. He also took a shot at a General some time before. Put it all together and what have you got, 4 attempts at peoples lives with 2 successful out of the 4. With those odds, what is you conclusion if he shot Kennedy or not, given that this in only a small fraction of the evidence.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:43 pm

Had JFK been hit in the back right of the head from the 6th floor of the school book depository the left side of his face would have been blown out especially with a bullet like that. Instead what everyone at Parkland reported was the that back right of his head was blown out. If there were fragments of the head shot hitting the windshield on the left and the chrome molding on right above the windshield there would have been multiple exit wounds on the front of the head and face. Didn't happen that way obviously - by the physical evidence. Multiple efforts at cover up and disinformation. A test group in Australia set the whole thing up and hit the Kennedy dummy in the back where the wound was on JFK and got it to hit Connally dummy but!!! the shot exited low on the right chest - not the neck through the tie.

The bullet that is assumed to be the magic bullet was found on a gurney - (planted?) not in Connally. Multiple times it has been published that Oswald qualified as a Marksman not Expert. When he did qualify the rifle would have been a semi auto - not at all like the Carcano.

The body was altered while it was in govt custody as - again - demonstrated by the conflicting reports of damage to the skull at Parkland and Bethesda. The autopsy photos released from Bethesda show almost no damage anywhere.

There were lights on the front of the limo that alternately blinked. The blink rate is wrong on the Zapruder tape, the study that points this out says it points to the Zapruder tape having been altered. All sorts of anomalies exist though out.

GonnePhishin · Post by **GonnePhishin** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:59 pm

We are left with our own beliefs but, for me, I have found no other evidence as convincing as the information contained in John Lattimer's book.

BULLHOCKEY!!!!
Why are the records sealed up until 2039????

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:03 pm

OS
You did not read my post correctly, I never said the magic bullet was found in Connaly.
The magic bullet was supposed to have done the damage to both men, yet weighed within.3 of
original weight.
If Connaly had 56 grs. of jacket material in him?
Where did it come from?

GonnePhishin · Post by **GonnePhishin** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:18 pm

Mescalaro- that's the magic part.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:38 pm

The Mob lost billions(?) in their casinos, and other "business" when the promised Bay of Pigs went T.U.....The Commies were upset that we tried to kill Castro. LHO was recently back from USSR with a Commie Keeper, er, wife....LBJ hated JFK, and his brother Robert. Take your pick....

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:47 pm

Uncle Buck,
Thanks............. I always wondered about that.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:20 pm

Mescalero, my post was not directed at your post. Just general statements, in my view all the explanations that LHO did it and alone relie on falsehoods in their explanations. Watching a two hour history channel special and it is easy to pick out their assumptive errors and the speculations they state as fact. Start with what is called the magic bullet and it goes on and on.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:51 pm

OK,
Sorry for my erroneous assumption.

guido4198 · Post by **guido4198** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:10 am

OK...here goes. My very limited thoughts on the topic.
I don't generally discuss this issue with non-shooters/hunters. They fail to have the general knowledge base required to make a good conversation.
All my life....there have been a coupla questions that I've never gotten answers to and would like to hear any that folks here might be able to offer.
1. Oswald was a Marine. It has never made sense to me that a Marine, going out to kill the President, would choose that Carcano. Most of us who are old enough still remember the mailorder adds for those rifles on the backs of magazines. $19.95 or so... If I remember correctly...you could add something like $5.00 and they included that P.O.S. scope. Back then, we ALL knew (that is to say...people who were active shooters) what a piece of stuff that equipment was. I have no answer...just making a point. Was Oswald THAT pathetic...??? Crappy equipment or not...he seems to have made at least one hit however.
I'm reasonably comfortable that the single Carcano bullet recovered intact was one that was involved. I've recovered 500 gn FMJ roundnose bullets from elephant that almost looked like you could reload and use them again. Also, it occurs to me that the impact velocity of my elephant rounds, which were shot quite up-close-and-personal....would be similar to the impact velocity we would expect the Carcano bullet had when it struck Kennedy/Connally so the lack of severe deformation is not a surprise.

That said though...it brings up my other unanswered concern:
2. The Carcano issue ammo is heavy-for-caliber. A long, 160 gn. projectile. It's running around 2200 fps at the muzzle out of the short barrel carbine ...maybe 1900-2000 fps on impact.
I've always wondered WHY that recovered bullet drilled through whatever and whomever it did....remaining intact ( as expected given it's velocity, construction etc.) with none of the "EXPLOSIVE" terminal effects on the people it hit....but then the last bullet...the one which took Kennedy's head apart...seems to have "blown-up". VERY different terminal performance, and in my experience...unexpected for a (relatively) big, slow fmj service round at that range.
Perhaps given the bullets length...impacting something solid like a skull might have caused it to tumble..???
Such tumbling might result in the observed wound on a human head.
Like I said....I have no answers...just wanted to share a coupla things I've wondered about and see what y'all think.

Pisgah · Post by **Pisgah** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:37 am

When it comes to the actual shots, it is important to step back and take note of one fact -- there is not and never has been a scrap of physical evidence found that supports any conclusion but that Oswald was the sole shooter. That doesn't mean absolutely that he was -- just that in the physical realm there is no evidence of anything else.

Now, as to WHY he did it -- we will never know. If there was a conspiracy, it was a conspiracy to cover the incompetence of the CIA, FBI and Secret Service, all of whom knew of Oswald and none of whom took him seriously.

We humans don't like it, but sometimes things just line up and the nut succeeds in his mission.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:39 am

Even Nixon knew that the Warren comission report was BS. Said so on the Watergate tapes. JFK was his own man, wasn't controlled by corporation, military or labor intereste. A message was sent that day to all future leaders to walk the line. ALL of them since, HAVE.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:49 am

tman wrote:Even Nixon knew that the Warren comission report was BS. Said so on the Watergate tapes. JFK was his own man, wasn't controlled by corporation, military or labor intereste. A message was sent that day to all future leaders to walk the line. ALL of them since, HAVE.

Wow.

For once I actually (mostly) agree with you. ... though I think that JFKs disregard of the LBJ/Soviet style Welfare State had as much to do wit it as did his disregard of the (equally Statist) Military industrial Complex...

I think I'll go shoot myself now.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:12 am

conspiracy theories are the nuts part. UFOs and Bigfoot - pop science and entertainment media. In 50 years this has been investigated by 5 committees always with the same conclusions.
Not a single LEO who was involved in the investigation and arrest takes exception with the conclusions.
There was a NOVA show on the ballistics 30 years ago. Frontline has done the best history on Oswald himself. A narcissistic twit that would fit in perfectly on the internet today.

If you had the chance to see Killing Kennedy on NatGeo last week, produced by Ridley Scott - it has minor, minor errors, but is the closest thing to the truth yet put on film.

Just like the song by Peter Gabriel, I shoot into the light.

And if you want something to worry about, worry about MSNBC, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, who are taking advantage of the 50th anniversary to publicly blame Kennedy's assassination on the "Gun Culture."

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:21 am

To each his own.

To me, it's like beating a dead horse.-----6

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:02 am

one thing that has happened - our country and our culture became mean after that

earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:12 am

Now for good entertainment at this point -- read Stephen Hunter's new book "The Third Bullet". He makes no pretense that it is anything but a pure fiction book in his sniper mold. But surely does point out a great conspiracy possibility.

I last year read "Killing Kennedy" and then just by chance followed it with "The Third Bullet" and thought that was a great combined read...

2571 · Post by **2571** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:27 am

Space aliens They have the technology to alter ballistics. Had something to do with galactic politics.

Saw it was on the 'net - gotta be true.

________

I was in Sister Mary Rita's fourth grade class.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:31 am

Once again, to each his own.

The only books I read are reloading, reference books, or "how to".

All of the other authors are just out to line their pockets. How can ANYONE prove or disprove ANYTHING
if they were not the original collectors of the evidence, but were just analyzers of evidence that was collected 50 years prior that someone could have played with.

There must have been 86 million people involved with the Kennedy assassination evidence and here we have people born after Nov. 22 1963 making big bucks for doing nothing more than compiling a bunch of evidence that was collected by people who are now dead.

It all about fantasy and people making money from those who caress fantasy.----6

GoatGuy · Post by **GoatGuy** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:38 am

That's an interesting take on the subject, Sixgun. Well put, ... I like it.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:45 am

Never paid much attention, as someone said, this is all too subject to the 'years after' effect. Nonetheless it IS interesting.

Please, you guys who ARE interested - post some links to stuff the rest of can look at. Heck, I've never even seen the much-cited "Zapruder video"...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Six, it's not "beating a dead horse", it's beating a Dead Kennedy.

And depending on the Kennedy (most of them) I can't think of a better passtime ... other than gravesite "watering"...

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:06 pm

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/wa ... on-report/

this has been proved and reproved 5 times

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:04 pm

If you like your insurance you can keep it. Depends on what the definition of is is. I never had sex with that woman.

Yes Toto, if the govt. said it and then said they were right when they said it ....... You can believe it. And if a district attorney from Philadelphia figures out the ballistics for you, you..... can be doubly sure. And if he demonstrates it with a different car .... whew, lead pipe cinch.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:37 pm

The REAL truth will never be known about the JFK assassination.

MY question is: How would the VietNam issue have unfolded had Kennedy not been assassinated and had he been re-elected for a second term?

I don't think he would have escalated the war in VietNam and might even have recalled ALL troops from VietNam. It sure as hell would have saved myself and a lot of you guys old enough to have been there and who are reading this thread a lot of angst.

Ike put the first troops in VietNam and Johnson flooded VietNam with our guys and gals.

Anyway, it's a frickin shame that JFK died in the manner he did. We well never have the whole truth and that's a bigger shame.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:49 pm

"John Lattimer (author) was able to look at the xrays taken of Kennedy at autopsy and made sketches of them which are in the book. The bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and then entered Connally, definitely shows a downward track according to the xray. It definitely shows the bullet was fired from behind and at a elevated position. Kennedy's elbows flew up due to the trauma to the spine by the close proximity of the bullet impact.

The final bullet hit JFK in the back of the head and the hydraulic force generated blew out a portion of his skull along with some brain matter. The intial impact pushed his head forward and then the expulsion of the exit propelled his head backward."

Now as for the first paragraph, assuming the bullet wound at the level of the tie in the front and in the back are the same contiguous wound channel, the path is downward front to back and UPWARD back to front. How that indicates a shooter elevated in the rear would be a mystery.

The second is pure speculation. And, the autopsy pictures we have been shown show no wound defect in the right front to push the head back by some jet force. What you can see is what could be an entry wound in the hairline just above the right temple that would perfectly coincide with the back right of the head being blown out as everyone at Parkland indicated was the case.

To return to the proposition that a bullet going up and left from the back through the tie would then produce Connally's wounds, the explanation is clear and how the Warren Commission missed it will always be a question. Kennedy was bending over tying his right shoe behind the Stemmons Fwy entrance sign. Now in light of this it all makes sense, no magic necessary. How did this get by Arlen Specter.

Modoc - have no fear - the answers are in the back of the book back upstairs - just like the teachers addition of the algebra book. You will be able to download the REAL video to your smart phone there.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:07 pm

I have looked at the evidence critically for my entire life, and I will not accept your insults.

The real truth is already known, but it's boring and doesn't sell.

Also, everyone who has looked at the evidence critically and didn't have a book to sell came to the same conclusion.

The best anti-bigfoot argument of all is habeus corpus. Not one individual involved up front has questioned the findings.

When his people who are called by his name will humble themselves and turn from their wicked ways, then he will heal this land.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:33 pm

conspiracy theories are the nuts part. UFOs and Bigfoot - pop science and entertainment media.

You know that sounds like an insult to any of those who have not taken the company line here - which does not add up. From illegally taking the body - the alterations that were done to it - all the chicanery that has come out since. There was a brief period at Parkland Memorial that was not under some sort of Govt control and what is reported from there is not in line with the company line. Critically examined the evidence????

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:45 pm

there are a lot of good people involved here whom you are willing to badmouth.

Chief Justice Warren has nothing to do with Clinton's sex scandal. Nor did General Ramsey Clark, nor did the Rockefeller Commission, nor did the House Select Committee on Assassinations. These commissions were staffed by good people who were charged with finding out the truth. They all came to the same conclusions.

you get to have Oliver Stone on your side.

Oswald accomplished more than his goal. Two generations of narcissists have followed him.

Mossyoak1957 · Post by **Mossyoak1957** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:13 pm

All I know is what my Uncle told me,he was on the Washington D.C. police force first, then he was in the Secret Service at the White House when Nixon was in,he actually was Connelly's guard at one point,then he became a U.S.Marshal before he retired.

All he would ever say was " it wasn't just one shooter" but would never say anymore.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:16 pm

The title of this thread is ballistic evidence 1 shooter. I believe that there is plenty to point to more than one shooter. Even if Oswald was a shooter and if we accept the premise that he was does not demonstrate that there were no other shooters. That is just Logic 101. Proving the case against Oswald and jumping to connecting the dots that a rifle connected with him fired a bullet found on a gurney in Parkland - not recovered from a victim mind you does not either mean there was one shooter. Aside (But that would be a good way to plant something that ties things together.) The magic bullet cannot even be tied to the shooting in a chain of custody and as someone pointed out is missing less material than was found in Connally's body.

There were finger prints on another box in the TSBD that were not identified but in 1984 there was a trial involving the Bobby Baker/Billy Sol Estes/LBJ southern politics events. Part of that was a "hit man" the group used - a finger print expert who did not write a book does tell on camera in one of the "soecials" of connecting those prints with that man.

So the subject of 1 shooter can't be determined by the evidence that the Warren Commission had or put forth. We don't know what they had but we do know if was run by LBJ and had at least one member who Kennedy had fired and had strong reason to be against he and his brother who was still Attorney General. There is not here a required view that must be held. Insinuating that there is and insulting those who have tried to investigate does promote the truth. If there was a cover up one of the standard procedures would be disinformation and bogus straw men set up to muddy the water and give the true believers in the company line something to knock down, a multiplicity of lies to hide the tree of truth in a forest of deception.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:52 pm

It looks to me that all the real evidence in the case is basically tainted. The FBI assumed jurisdiction when they had none. It was a local case since no Federal Crime had been committed. At the time it was not a Federal Crime to shoot a President.

As to the bullet impact and the reaction, I wonder how much of those results are impacted by the back brace he was wearing?

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:58 pm

The "reaction" appears to be used as mechanism to explain away an obvious physical effect that points in the wrong direction for the company line narrative. Parkland physcians who are experienced with gunshot wounds said the throat was an entrance wound. After that at Bethesda you have Navy administrators.

And why should anything be sealed or have been sealed? I thought we were looking for the killer of a President - who was presumably a lone nut - what is left to fear there??? Hmmm?

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:27 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
tman wrote:Even Nixon knew that the Warren comission report was BS. Said so on the Watergate tapes. JFK was his own man, wasn't controlled by corporation, military or labor intereste. A message was sent that day to all future leaders to walk the line. ALL of them since, HAVE.
Wow.

For once I actually (mostly) agree with you. ... though I think that JFKs disregard of the LBJ/Soviet style Welfare State had as much to do wit it as did his disregard of the (equally Statist) Military industrial Complex...

I think I'll go shoot myself now.

Watch out dude. The commie hunters will start targeting you.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:08 pm

Okay, here’s what ‘really’ happened…

Chuck Norris built a time machine and went back in time to stop the JFK assassination. As Oswald shot, Chuck met all three bullets with his beard, deflecting them. JFK's head exploded out of sheer amazement.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:16 pm

I am not sure you are taking this with the gravity it deserves and - must confess, never had heard or considered the Big Foot angle. Sweet corn anyone???

Isn't it about time for that caped crusader Photographer Outrageous to reappear - CowboyTutt missed all of that.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:29 pm

I think Ms. Boots posted the best sweet corn picture of all time in Lever-Land.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:32 pm

Old Savage wrote:The "reaction" appears to be used as mechanism to explain away an obvious physical effect that points in the wrong direction for the company line narrative. Parkland physcians who are experienced with gunshot wounds said the throat was an entrance wound. After that at Bethesda you have Navy administrators.

And why should anything be sealed or have been sealed? I thought we were looking for the killer of a President - who was presumably a lone nut - what is left to fear there??? Hmmm?

That pretty much makes sense to me; like I said in an earlier post, I've not paid much attention, but I would assume that there is likely 'more to the story' than the official version (it would be rare that there wasn't, I would think, with any serious political event). As to what the real story is, however, I am open for suggestions. Maybe some rainy weekend when the chores are caught up (and I'm watching the Hades Ice-Capades on television) I will get interested enough to watch some videos, or read some books on the topic, though. I have to admit, it COULD be one of the more pivotal moments in our history, especially if any one of the many conspiracy-theories prove accurate...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:38 pm

All I can and will say is that as a 13 year old, with a letter from JFK dated a few weeks before the assassination, I was devaststed. I've read all of the books and have seen most of the "truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth" theories put forth. The full truth is unknowable based on the facts known. We can accept the official version or not; but, nothing written at the time, nor since, will change the fact that what might have been will never be. And, any new revelation in 2039 will be met with as much skepticism as the Warren Commission or any of the "reports" since.

Until I have viewed ALL the evidence, I will accept the Warren Commission, with all it's flaws, until proven wrong.

As someone said... sometimes there is a "perfect storm". Remember, the Titanic was "unsinkable", right up to the time it sank.

As someone told me, "teleportation is a physical impossibility." And I will agree, it is until it's proven that it's not. It may not seem so, but I am keeping an open mind.

wecsoger · Post by **wecsoger** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:15 pm

I'm sorry to see some folk still getting riled up over this. I can understand but li'l perspective here, this was half a century ago.

Does that set ya back a little?. (grin)

Two standards that always helped me out in analysis.

Occam's Razor - "In a group of solutions, the simplest one is usually the best"

Sagan's Comment - "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof"

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:48 pm

Don't care "how" it happened. Most important is "WHY"... and all you need to do is look to LBJ to figure that one out.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:52 pm

And that is why I keep a copy of the Demon Haunted World by my bedside.
It is comforting to hear the voice of reason from time to time.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:03 pm

Ah yes the why, many whys if you just look at all the interests those two boys were messing with, half a dozen any way.

50 years ago, still seems quite important to some interests to keep it covered.

Occam Sagan, good stuff to keep the herd in line or placated or thinking what they have been given should placate them.

On the other hand, the single bullet theory should require extraordinary proof and cover the loose ends and other contrary evidence and doubts.