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Hypothetical what if question...
Let's imagine you had a very magical day and became the owner of
an old stock new in box 1955 Winchester model 70 Featherweight
in .243 win.
1. Would you scope and sling it with today's products?
2. Locate 1955 period correct scope / sling and mounting hardware?
3. Store it away and not use it, trying to forget you have it at all?
an old stock new in box 1955 Winchester model 70 Featherweight
in .243 win.
1. Would you scope and sling it with today's products?
2. Locate 1955 period correct scope / sling and mounting hardware?
3. Store it away and not use it, trying to forget you have it at all?
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My opinion, go new. Make it all it can be.
But you like old stuff.
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But you like old stuff.
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Put it away for a rainy day....
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I would get an old Weaver K3 or K4, and period mounts.
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Trade it.
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trade it or shoot it... :)Griff wrote:Trade it.
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'55 NIB? Think I'd just put it away, take it out every now and then, wipe with oily rag and smile! Or not. If I was gonna scope and shoot, I think I'd go the period correct route. Wish I had that problem!
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I'd trade it for something with a lever....
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Since it is neither a rifle nor a caliber that I have ANY interest in owning whatsoever...
I'd hang onto it until I found something I REALLY wanted and use the value the Winchester has to someone else, to make it happen.
I'd hang onto it until I found something I REALLY wanted and use the value the Winchester has to someone else, to make it happen.
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+1game keeper wrote:I'd trade it for something with a lever....
But tell us, what are you going to do with it
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I would go with option #1. Leupold 6x scope with the LR reticle. Leupold bases and rings of course!
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Don't mummify it, that's for Pharaohs. Shoot it, use it, make it your companion. Keep it light with a small variable.
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I can tell you with absolute certainty what I wouldn't do with it...Borregos wrote:+1game keeper wrote:I'd trade it for something with a lever....
But tell us, what are you going to do with it
'Trade it for something with a lever'
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Only a complete retart would mount a scope and shoot it, or touch it in any way other than how the factory shipped it.
Guns, like coins, gain substantially from those last one or two percentage points. The more rare the gun is, the higher in percentage the value goes up.
Lets just pretend you have a NIB first gen Colt SAA made in say....1910....Thinking out of my head I'd say its worth about 15 big ones. You can sell it and buy TWO of the same in 95% condition and go out an shoot it from time to time. With the 15 g's you could buy a crate of Uberti Italian imports and give 'em away to be used as door stops or fishing sinkers.
In the case of the Model 70 Featherweight in 243, IF you could find a NIB specimen, I'm guessing close to 2 g's as the 243 is not the one that brings the big bucks. So that means you could buy 2 of the same in 95% condition or 3 of the same in beater 70% condition for the same money
Guns, like coins, gain substantially from those last one or two percentage points. The more rare the gun is, the higher in percentage the value goes up.
Lets just pretend you have a NIB first gen Colt SAA made in say....1910....Thinking out of my head I'd say its worth about 15 big ones. You can sell it and buy TWO of the same in 95% condition and go out an shoot it from time to time. With the 15 g's you could buy a crate of Uberti Italian imports and give 'em away to be used as door stops or fishing sinkers.
In the case of the Model 70 Featherweight in 243, IF you could find a NIB specimen, I'm guessing close to 2 g's as the 243 is not the one that brings the big bucks. So that means you could buy 2 of the same in 95% condition or 3 of the same in beater 70% condition for the same money
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Sell it to the highest bidder.
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Jr. has his grandfather's Remington 721. It's not a pre '64 M 70, but it is from an earlier era.
He chose option #2. He found an original K4, but it won't hold zero so it will need repairs.
He chose option #2. He found an original K4, but it won't hold zero so it will need repairs.
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I'd probably find a period correct scope, but honestly I wouldn't shoot a rifle like that much at all. So it would probably be sold or traded eventually.
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You could follow Sixgun's advise and just put it in a box and label it "collector's item" and not "gun". I'm one of those retards that would shoot it...
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On the fence here. If I did use it, I would only accessorize it with products from the same time period. However, if it is new in box, I tend to agree with SIX.
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Sixgun's advice is the only one that makes good sense. Then the question becomes "what do I do with this 95% fine 1955 model 70?"
At that point I put on the nicest new scope I have. Do you realize how much they have improved optics in the past 50 years? Yeah, I have some nifty old K2.5's mounted up on some old pumps, but I surely do notice the drop in view quality when I shoot with those old scopes.
Sling? go with period if you want. Slings haven't changed much in 100 years. Optics have.
At that point I put on the nicest new scope I have. Do you realize how much they have improved optics in the past 50 years? Yeah, I have some nifty old K2.5's mounted up on some old pumps, but I surely do notice the drop in view quality when I shoot with those old scopes.
Sling? go with period if you want. Slings haven't changed much in 100 years. Optics have.
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Id look at it for awhile, then would sell or trade
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I think it deserves a Unertl for a varmint rifle.
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Trade it for something I would shoot.30wcf wrote:trade it or shoot it...Griff wrote:Trade it.
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Ya want some company mikld.mikld wrote:You could follow Sixgun's advise and just put it in a box and label it "collector's item" and not "gun". I'm one of those retards that would shoot it...
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I really don't think some people know what common sense is.
OK, you have this NIB model 70 featherweight made in 1955 in 243 that's worth 2 g's
You have several choices
A. Scope and shoot it with 5 rounds......this gun instantly becomes a 98% gun that is worth 14
B. Scope and shoot it with several boxes of ammo.....it's now a 95% gun due to wear on the bolt and is now worth a G.
C. Keep it for a rainy day or sell it for 2 g's and that gives you 3 more choices.
a. Buy two 95% guns and shoot them until the cows come home as they won't get much worse
unless you take em in the woods and beat me up some.
b. Buy one 95% gun and take the other thousand dollars and pi*s it away on a levergun
or do something stupid like pay an insurance bill or buy your wife a new oven.
c. Stay retarded and drunk for the next 6 months.
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OK, you have this NIB model 70 featherweight made in 1955 in 243 that's worth 2 g's
You have several choices
A. Scope and shoot it with 5 rounds......this gun instantly becomes a 98% gun that is worth 14
B. Scope and shoot it with several boxes of ammo.....it's now a 95% gun due to wear on the bolt and is now worth a G.
C. Keep it for a rainy day or sell it for 2 g's and that gives you 3 more choices.
a. Buy two 95% guns and shoot them until the cows come home as they won't get much worse
unless you take em in the woods and beat me up some.
b. Buy one 95% gun and take the other thousand dollars and pi*s it away on a levergun
or do something stupid like pay an insurance bill or buy your wife a new oven.
c. Stay retarded and drunk for the next 6 months.
Thanks Earl....your in my camp
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Fact #1. We are not guaranteed tomorrow.
Fact #2. No one on this planet is taking that NIB 1955 Win. Model 70 through the pearly gates.
Very probable fact #3. The next Johnny-come-lately ‘will’ shoot it and or ‘sell’ it.
Very probable fact #4. If Johnny-come-lately doesn’t get there in time it will go for $400.00 at the widow sale because widow didn’t have a clue.
So in light of the above, it may be best to be a “retard with no common sense”
and enjoy the snot out of that vintage NIB 1955 Win. Model 70 in .243 win.
Fact #2. No one on this planet is taking that NIB 1955 Win. Model 70 through the pearly gates.
Very probable fact #3. The next Johnny-come-lately ‘will’ shoot it and or ‘sell’ it.
Very probable fact #4. If Johnny-come-lately doesn’t get there in time it will go for $400.00 at the widow sale because widow didn’t have a clue.
So in light of the above, it may be best to be a “retard with no common sense”
and enjoy the snot out of that vintage NIB 1955 Win. Model 70 in .243 win.
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Grew up on one of those. It had the fixed sling swivels and a standard military leather sling, also wore a 4x weaver K4. Would find a fixed 4 x32 or a 2.5x7 variable.casastahle wrote:Let's imagine you had a very magical day and became the owner of
an old stock new in box 1955 Winchester model 70 Featherweight
in .243 win.
1. Would you scope and sling it with today's products?
2. Locate 1955 period correct scope / sling and mounting hardware?
3. Store it away and not use it, trying to forget you have it at all?
Winchester made those rifles to shoot,, not to be a safe queen
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Ok, it's a free country.
But you have to admit, as soon as you pull the trigger about 20 or 30 times, it's now a gun that's worth half as much, so tell me, how can you enjoy a NIB gun that's no longer a NIB gun?
If you sold it BEFORE you pulled the trigger 20 or 30 times, you could have had TWO guns of the exact same description as your NIB gun AFTER you pulled the trigger 20 or 30 times, and with the exception of the different serial numbers, all three guns would be identical.
Besides, if your wishing for a NIB pre 64 Model 70 Featherweight in 243, you might as well wish for the same gun in Super Grade Featherweight as they bring 8 to 10 thousand. So if you had one of these, you could sell it and buy TEN regular model 70 featherweights in 95% condition and you could pass nine of them out to your buddies at Christmas time.......and still have a nice 95 % one for yourself that you could d&t for a nice 2X Chinese scope and a K Mart nylon sling ------6
But you have to admit, as soon as you pull the trigger about 20 or 30 times, it's now a gun that's worth half as much, so tell me, how can you enjoy a NIB gun that's no longer a NIB gun?
If you sold it BEFORE you pulled the trigger 20 or 30 times, you could have had TWO guns of the exact same description as your NIB gun AFTER you pulled the trigger 20 or 30 times, and with the exception of the different serial numbers, all three guns would be identical.
Besides, if your wishing for a NIB pre 64 Model 70 Featherweight in 243, you might as well wish for the same gun in Super Grade Featherweight as they bring 8 to 10 thousand. So if you had one of these, you could sell it and buy TEN regular model 70 featherweights in 95% condition and you could pass nine of them out to your buddies at Christmas time.......and still have a nice 95 % one for yourself that you could d&t for a nice 2X Chinese scope and a K Mart nylon sling ------6
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Other Option (if it's a true museum piece)...
Donate it to Cody or the NRA and take a 2x value on a Tax Writeoff. Protect a Gun, take money away from the Feds, get your name on a plaque in a Museum.
Win-Win-Win.
Donate it to Cody or the NRA and take a 2x value on a Tax Writeoff. Protect a Gun, take money away from the Feds, get your name on a plaque in a Museum.
Win-Win-Win.
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OI,
Yes, that is a great option but from my perspective, being a poor white guy with a factory job, I'm always looking to improve/upgrade my guns by parlaying the guns I have to get the better stuff as my paycheck is seriously depleted by taxes that others decide how it is spent.
That's why I would sell the NIB gun for cash that the government don't know nothing about and buy a 95% one and hopefully have enough left over to buy gasoline that my state of Pennsylvania has just decided to add another .25 a gallon tax that they claim will be used on fixing bridges but will most likely be used to sue poor white guys with jobs who do not conform to the new obamacare obligations to keep them so deep in the hole, they won't have money to buy ammo when the entire system collapses in the near future. Do I sound upset?----6
Now you know why the government wants gun registration and wants to ban gunshows and have a cashless society.
Yes, that is a great option but from my perspective, being a poor white guy with a factory job, I'm always looking to improve/upgrade my guns by parlaying the guns I have to get the better stuff as my paycheck is seriously depleted by taxes that others decide how it is spent.
That's why I would sell the NIB gun for cash that the government don't know nothing about and buy a 95% one and hopefully have enough left over to buy gasoline that my state of Pennsylvania has just decided to add another .25 a gallon tax that they claim will be used on fixing bridges but will most likely be used to sue poor white guys with jobs who do not conform to the new obamacare obligations to keep them so deep in the hole, they won't have money to buy ammo when the entire system collapses in the near future. Do I sound upset?----6
Now you know why the government wants gun registration and wants to ban gunshows and have a cashless society.
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Oh, I agree. I'd sell it too... unless I had an unfunded Tax Liability that I could more easily write off with a donation than with the cash from the sale...
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Well 6, there’s just that one lingering question then… WWCND
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Chuck Norris doesn't call the wrong number. You answer the wrong phone.
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Chuck Norris has a grizzly bear carpet in his room. The bear isn't dead it is just afraid to move.
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There used to be a street named after Chuck Norris, but it was changed because nobody crosses Chuck Norris and lives.
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Chuck Norris died 20 years ago; Death just hasn't built up the courage to tell him yet.
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Chuck Norris and Superman once fought each other on a bet. The loser had to start wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants.
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Who the heck is chuck Norris? Is that the guy who invented chuck e cheese or something?---6
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Send it to a friend in Ca who has a perfect old Weaver 4x NIB to go on it.
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Ya something like that 6Sixgun wrote:Who the heck is chuck Norris? Is that the guy who invented chuck e cheese or something?---6
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OS ,Old Savage wrote:Send it to a friend in Ca who has a perfect old Weaver 4x NIB to go on it.
This is just a hypothetical question. The gun does not exist in anyone's hands here.
BTW, how much you want for that NIB Weaver? I got a real nice pre 64 Winchester model 70 featherweight that could use it. I sold a NIB model 70 featherweight and bought two like guns but they are in 95% condition.
I'll tell you what, you send me the scope and I'll send you the other model 70 in 243.
Deal? ----6
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Sell it to a collector and buy a modern Featherweight built in SC and put a modern quality scope on it. Or keep it as an investment a while.
I can appreciate vintage firearms and have a few. But, never been into vintage optics. Optics are improved upon pretty constantly giving you better glass, coatings, waterproofing, durability, reliable adjustability etc for your money. I'm the guy who would put a Leupold VX3 on a Savage 99!
I can appreciate vintage firearms and have a few. But, never been into vintage optics. Optics are improved upon pretty constantly giving you better glass, coatings, waterproofing, durability, reliable adjustability etc for your money. I'm the guy who would put a Leupold VX3 on a Savage 99!
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Sixgun wrote:OS ,Old Savage wrote:Send it to a friend in Ca who has a perfect old Weaver 4x NIB to go on it.
This is just a hypothetical question. The gun does not exist in anyone's hands here.
BTW, how much you want for that NIB Weaver? I got a real nice pre 64 Winchester model 70 featherweight that could use it. I sold a NIB model 70 featherweight and bought two like guns but they are in 95% condition.
I'll tell you what, you send me the scope and I'll send you the other model 70 in 243.
Deal? ----6
A day or two can put a change to that statement...
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If you ain't going to use it, sell it. If you are going to use it, scope with the nicest gals you can afford and make lots of memories.
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I'm with sixgun on this one - if I could turn one rifle into two, I would.
I wouldn't keep collectible rifle a new in the box like that, because eventually I would shoot it.
I would be just as happy with a previously used rifle. Happier, since I would not have to baby it. In fact, I have passed up old rifles that were too nice for the use I intended for them.
Someone really wants a NIB collectible rifle, and it would make their day to buy it and coat it with renaissance wax and fondle it with white cotton gloves. I'd give him that opportunity and take his money.
There will never be more totally new, unused rifles like that than there are today, only less. There are those who really appreciate them. Why take that away from them?
Personally, I like to see a little use on a classic rifle and think about those who put it there. An unused firearm is a preservation of the history of the company that made it and of firearm design and production. A used firearm is all of that plus the history of those who used it.
A used rifle of the same model is easy to find. I know - I have been looking for a short-action Winchester 70 at a good price for a project, but the old ones are all I have found so far - they are everywhere.
So it is simple logic, really.
I wouldn't keep collectible rifle a new in the box like that, because eventually I would shoot it.
I would be just as happy with a previously used rifle. Happier, since I would not have to baby it. In fact, I have passed up old rifles that were too nice for the use I intended for them.
Someone really wants a NIB collectible rifle, and it would make their day to buy it and coat it with renaissance wax and fondle it with white cotton gloves. I'd give him that opportunity and take his money.
There will never be more totally new, unused rifles like that than there are today, only less. There are those who really appreciate them. Why take that away from them?
Personally, I like to see a little use on a classic rifle and think about those who put it there. An unused firearm is a preservation of the history of the company that made it and of firearm design and production. A used firearm is all of that plus the history of those who used it.
A used rifle of the same model is easy to find. I know - I have been looking for a short-action Winchester 70 at a good price for a project, but the old ones are all I have found so far - they are everywhere.
So it is simple logic, really.
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