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Fellows, just wanted to show you my new Winchester Model 94 30-30 made in 1954. I've named this carbine 'Old Savage', a good, solid name (and fellow forum member, Old Savage, doesn't mind either!). This carbine puts the bullets where I aim and it was also made the same year as I was born. It seems to be aging much better than I.
For those who might want to know more about the leather 30-30 cartridge belt slider and the Bowie and sheath, they were all made by Alan Soellner of Chisholm's Trail. The Bowie blade is Solingen steel and the grips are Sambar Stag. I really like this knife; it has become my primary wilderness and hunting knife and the carbine will be my primary wilderness gun when on remote wilderness canoe and camping trips with my wife and family. I like a knife with a long blade. One of my pet peeves in the wilderness is trying to skin a large fish with a dinky little blade, and I resist carrying a fillet knife. It's also good as a last resort if one of those nuisance Cougars too lazy to go get a deer, lands on my head.
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Nath wrote:Kirk, you sure can find'm friend. How does it shoot? We normally get a target to view
Nath.
Nath, I'm still settling on a 30-30 load. Once that is done, there will be range reports for sure. Now that the snow shows signs of starting to melt, I'm going to be a busy man.
Nath wrote:Oh yes, that reminds me. How was your trip to this island and was your home burried in snow when you got back?
Nath.
Nath, it was buried when I left, and buried even deeper when I returned. Most of it is still here and we got another snowstorm yesterday.
My wife and I and our three younger kids had a super time in Scotland and England. I rented a car (who needs a thrill ride at the amusement park when you can rent a car with the steering wheel on the wrong side and drive down the wrong side of the road and go around roundabouts the opposite way!!) and toured a number of old castles and ancient churches. I also thoroughly enjoyed getting off the beaten track and driving down tiny, hedged-bound roads and asking local farmers for directions. Believe it or not, I even saw some wild deer near the ruins of a Roman fort in the center of England. I also saw lots of Ring-necked Pheasants. We also took a quick trip into the edge of the highlands, again on a small winding track surrounded by forest, bogs and lochs. Another highlight was getting 'Platinum Club' tickets for my son and I for the Newcastle vs Man U match. He's been a fan of Newcastle for a long time and plays on three different teams himself. 52,000 people packed in there! We were sorry to leave.
I just love those Win 94 Carbines. That one looks like it will do the job till you hand it down to your kids.
I need to work on new pics of my 1950 Win 94. It's two years older than me and in lots better shape.
I don't know what loads you are working on, but if you are using jacketed, try 34.5grs of Winchesters 748 powder under a 150gr bullet. It's an old load, been in the Win manuals since the early 1970s, and a bit lighter than the bullet makers load manuals call for. But for me it has been 100% consistent in hot, cold, and in between weather, and accurate in every Win 94 I've shot it in.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
You still have color in your beard, I was born in 59 and your avitar looks younger than me!
So I was thinking it must be a 59. Guess this old desert sun takes it's tole.
ScottS
"No arsenal, no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women."
-- Ronald Reagan
J Miller wrote:
I don't know what loads you are working on, but if you are using jacketed, try 34.5grs of Winchesters 748 powder under a 150gr bullet. It's an old load, been in the Win manuals since the early 1970s, and a bit lighter than the bullet makers load manuals call for. But for me it has been 100% consistent in hot, cold, and in between weather, and accurate in every Win 94 I've shot it in.
Joe
Joe, thanks for the load info. I like to shoot a lot for cheap, so I'm using a RCBS 150 grain GC bullet over 30 grains of IMR 3031. It seems to be a very accurate load, but I may tweak it up or down just a shade to see what happens. I also have quite a few of the 170 grain cast GC bullets that I'll be experimenting with, along with some 150 grain JFP Speers.
J Miller wrote:
I don't know what loads you are working on, but if you are using jacketed, try 34.5grs of Winchesters 748 powder under a 150gr bullet. It's an old load, been in the Win manuals since the early 1970s, and a bit lighter than the bullet makers load manuals call for. But for me it has been 100% consistent in hot, cold, and in between weather, and accurate in every Win 94 I've shot it in.
Joe
Joe, thanks for the load info. I like to shoot a lot for cheap, so I'm using a RCBS 150 grain GC bullet over 30 grains of IMR 3031. It seems to be a very accurate load, but I may tweak it up or down just a shade to see what happens. I also have quite a few of the 170 grain cast GC bullets that I'll be experimenting with, along with some 150 grain JFP Speers.
Kirk,
I've been wanting to try cast in my two 30-30s. But I'm not set up to cast right now and so I'm hesitant to buy commercial cast bullets. If I try the load you are using, I've seen it before, and it works I'll want to be able to duplicate it. So I need to find a source of bullets that will be around a while and don't cost as much as jacketed bullets do. Otherwise it's not worth the cost and effort to switch.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
Nice clean rifle with nice lines. Those early post war '94's are really climbin' in value.
Man! You ought to send your pictures into a magazine. They look better than anything I have ever seen and I'm old--real old--just like you. Great things happened in 1954. I'm a July baby--how 'bout you?---------Sixgun
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Nice clean rifle with nice lines. Those early post war '94's are really climbin' in value.
Man! You ought to send your pictures into a magazine. They look better than anything I have ever seen and I'm old--real old--just like you. Great things happened in 1954. I'm a July baby--how 'bout you?---------Sixgun
Sixgun, I was born in August. This '54 carbine seems to have been made around the middle of the year .... somewhere around your and my birthday.
I am planning on a 2009 Winchester calendar. I've got enough photos now. When it is ready, I'll let the forum know, but that won't be until the fall.
What a coincidence. I was also born in August. We share our birthday months. Hmmmm, and we like Winchesters too. OK, 'nuf b.s., mines the 16th, what's yours?
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
What a coincidence. I was also born in August. We share our birthday months. Hmmmm, and we like Winchesters too. OK, 'nuf b.s., mines the 16th, what's yours?
Joe
Close .... mines the 19th.
kimwcook wrote:Nice stuff. I'm beginning to think you find old people and bilk them out of their prized possessions. How do you keep find that good old stuff Kirk?
Ha, I dream of finding an old person (even older than me) that has a few beautiful old Winnies that they wish to get rid of. So far, no such luck. I haven't been to a gun show in about 15 years. There are a few local places I check into about once per week in the hopes they might have something good. My top priority now is to find a nice Winchester Model 53 in 32-20 or a real nice Model 1892 button mag in 32-20. I've got a local dealer keeping an eye out for me.
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bj94, that's a great picture and that carbine is in top shape. Looks like she's enjoying using it. From this thread, it sounds like 1954 was a vintage year in more ways than one.
Kirk, that sure is a fine looking 94. It will make a great canoe and camp rifle, they have served for that up there along time. By the way you seem to be moving into the modern age of rifles coming all the way up 1954. Still looking forward to the calendar.
JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Now that's my idea of how to properly set a a picnic spread! (couldn't resist - that's what the background reminded me of! )
The "stuff" is starting to fall down here, but it is not snow. It is the pollen - specifically the yellow pine tree pollen. Darn near thick as snow too!!!
Glad to hear things are melting in the great white north. Looking forward to the first formal range report on that beauty!!!
bj94 wrote:Check out this one- It is either 1954 or 1955:
bj94 -
That is what I like to see - a beautiful young lady, holding a rifle (and you can tell {a} it's not her first time, {b} she knows what she's doing and {c} she's enjoying it), with a pocket knife in her pocket. You are raising her right!
Eyes and ears on too (protection) - you are a good man!!!
JerryB wrote:Kirk, .... you seem to be moving into the modern age of rifles coming all the way up 1954.
Yep .... I'm still getting used to having a modern Winchester hanging on the wall along with its 100-year old brothers. At only 53 years old, it's hardly a babe out of diapers, at least for a Winchester. Now 53-year old me .... that's another story. Funny how between two 53 year olds, one is a old geezer and the other's hardly a babe out of diapers.
Do I get to show mine again? I think I bought it new in 1957 when I was 16. I added the pad as I am big and the foolproof sight. Picture #2 is a model 64 built in 1952. I dont think it was fired when I bought it in about 1975. Since I have other mainstays I only put about a box through it.
Very nice, Bill. I must confess to a hankerin' for a nice Model 64. I doubt I'll actually get one someday, as I'm trying to keep my Winchester collection down to just 9 guns, but I sure enjoy looking at beauties like the one you show.
.Very Nice Kirk.Jim.
