Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
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Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
I'm thinking about getting some of my Dillon 550B parts TiCN treated to improve their sliding capabilities. The parts are:
a - the primer carrier & primer track bearing and,
b - the powder charge bars.
The primer carrier and the bearing plate on my old machine seem to be the worst with a little wear after many thousands of rounds.
a - the primer carrier & primer track bearing and,
b - the powder charge bars.
The primer carrier and the bearing plate on my old machine seem to be the worst with a little wear after many thousands of rounds.
Griff,
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
I am sure Dillon would replace them for free. I am sure you are like me and would rather pay for them since the parts are worn but gave good service all of their life. Dillon did not wear them out.
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
WELL... the answer is: DON'T DO IT!
I left home Sunday, telling the boy to wait, I'd just order a new primer carrier & bearing plate from Dillon. Which I did on Monday. WARRANtY!!!
But... since this was HIS idea, he figured he'd do it anyway. So, he disassebled all 6 powder bars (3 measures) and all 4 primer carriers, packaged 'em up and shipped 'em down to an outfit in Houston. To be done & returned by the time I got home Monday evening.
He called me today to let me know I wouldn't be able to load Tues or Wed. The parts are just heaps of slag! Apparently high tin content alloys won't withstand the 800ºF used in the process.
Oh, BTW, apparently this didn't exceed the limits of Dillon's "No BS Warranty! New parts will be shipped Monday.
I left home Sunday, telling the boy to wait, I'd just order a new primer carrier & bearing plate from Dillon. Which I did on Monday. WARRANtY!!!
But... since this was HIS idea, he figured he'd do it anyway. So, he disassebled all 6 powder bars (3 measures) and all 4 primer carriers, packaged 'em up and shipped 'em down to an outfit in Houston. To be done & returned by the time I got home Monday evening.
He called me today to let me know I wouldn't be able to load Tues or Wed. The parts are just heaps of slag! Apparently high tin content alloys won't withstand the 800ºF used in the process.
Oh, BTW, apparently this didn't exceed the limits of Dillon's "No BS Warranty! New parts will be shipped Monday.
Griff,
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GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
sorry for your loss...but thank you for the post, experience is a good teacher... :)
Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
Wow Griff
That is some story. And talk about above and beyond service from Dillon. I know now where I will go for my next loading press purchase.
That is some story. And talk about above and beyond service from Dillon. I know now where I will go for my next loading press purchase.
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
TiCN and similar coatings are for hardened STEEL parts...
I'm a bit saddened and disturbed that the coating facility didn't seem to be aware of that fact, and blindly went ahead, destroying your parts in their ignorance...
I'm a bit saddened and disturbed that the coating facility didn't seem to be aware of that fact, and blindly went ahead, destroying your parts in their ignorance...
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Buck
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
What about Robar's NP3 coating? My Puma has this stuff for all its internal parts and its awesome. I don't think it uses high heat to bond it to the metal. Buck, do you know? -Tutt
http://robarguns.com/custom-firearm-finishes/np3/
http://robarguns.com/custom-firearm-finishes/np3/
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
My only experience with NP3 is as an end user, and then, only second-hand.. I'm not certain of the process, even though it's been out there for years..
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
What I just read about NP3 is that it involves heat treating @300ºC for 4 hours. If so, I don't wanna go there!
What I AM going to do is what this guy did, extended primer bearing plate
What I AM going to do is what this guy did, extended primer bearing plate
Griff,
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AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
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Re: Titanium Carbo-Nitrate Treated Parts
That's 575 F so I agree with you there. Problem is the Dillon has always had these issues and the factory seem to want to address them through their "no BS warranty" and not by improving the product. Bummer. -Tutt
"It ain't dead! As long as there's ONE COWBOY taking care of ONE COW, it ain't dead!!!" (the Cowboy Way)
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