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POLITICS: Gun Law Corruption in the land of Osnoba
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/9 ... 20.article
Oh, shoot!
Ald. Richard Mell forgot to re-register his guns (which reportedly include a Walther PPK like this one). No problem -- he'll just write a new law.
May 20, 2008
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Ald. Richard Mell (33rd) is a former hunter with an arsenal of weapons that reportedly features shotguns, rifles and pistols, including a Walther PPK of James Bond fame.
But there's a problem.
Mell forgot to re-register the weapons as required every year by the ordinance that he helped to pass as one of the City Council's most senior members.
So, what does an alderman do when he finds himself in violation of the law? He writes a new law. Mell has quietly introduced an ordinance that would reopen gun registration in Chicago and create a one-month amnesty for himself and other gun owners in the same predicament.
During the monthlong window, gun owners who attempted to re-register their guns between May 1, 2007, and April 1, 2008, only to be rejected on grounds the registrations had lapsed would be allowed to re-register without penalty.
"It's not just for me. It's for other people with the same problem. It's giving people who legitimately registered their guns at one time only to let it slip by a chance to come back into compliance," Mell said. "Some people didn't realize that, every year, you have to re-register your guns."
As an aldermen who helps write Chicago's gun laws, Mell acknowledged that he should have been in compliance with the re-registration requirement.
"I knew it was the law. I thought it was being done [by a staff member]. If you have a person you trust to do it and they don't do it, then it doesn't get done. I'm not gonna say it's embarrassing. I'm just gonna say I should have done it," the alderman said.
Mell said he first realized he was in violation of the re-registration requirement about a year ago. When he tried to re-register his guns belatedly, the Chicago Police Department's Gun Registration Section refused to bend the rules. Mell appealed that ruling to the city's Department of Administrative Hearings but decided to re-write the law instead."When we looked at the law, we saw the possibility of winning [the appeal] wasn't gonna happen," he said.
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If you don't know Illanoy Lore, Mell is also the FiL of the Goobernor Rob "The Hair" Blago.
Remember, Guns are only for the Elite, The Connected or The Outfit.
Oh, shoot!
Ald. Richard Mell forgot to re-register his guns (which reportedly include a Walther PPK like this one). No problem -- he'll just write a new law.
May 20, 2008
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Ald. Richard Mell (33rd) is a former hunter with an arsenal of weapons that reportedly features shotguns, rifles and pistols, including a Walther PPK of James Bond fame.
But there's a problem.
Mell forgot to re-register the weapons as required every year by the ordinance that he helped to pass as one of the City Council's most senior members.
So, what does an alderman do when he finds himself in violation of the law? He writes a new law. Mell has quietly introduced an ordinance that would reopen gun registration in Chicago and create a one-month amnesty for himself and other gun owners in the same predicament.
During the monthlong window, gun owners who attempted to re-register their guns between May 1, 2007, and April 1, 2008, only to be rejected on grounds the registrations had lapsed would be allowed to re-register without penalty.
"It's not just for me. It's for other people with the same problem. It's giving people who legitimately registered their guns at one time only to let it slip by a chance to come back into compliance," Mell said. "Some people didn't realize that, every year, you have to re-register your guns."
As an aldermen who helps write Chicago's gun laws, Mell acknowledged that he should have been in compliance with the re-registration requirement.
"I knew it was the law. I thought it was being done [by a staff member]. If you have a person you trust to do it and they don't do it, then it doesn't get done. I'm not gonna say it's embarrassing. I'm just gonna say I should have done it," the alderman said.
Mell said he first realized he was in violation of the re-registration requirement about a year ago. When he tried to re-register his guns belatedly, the Chicago Police Department's Gun Registration Section refused to bend the rules. Mell appealed that ruling to the city's Department of Administrative Hearings but decided to re-write the law instead."When we looked at the law, we saw the possibility of winning [the appeal] wasn't gonna happen," he said.
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If you don't know Illanoy Lore, Mell is also the FiL of the Goobernor Rob "The Hair" Blago.
Remember, Guns are only for the Elite, The Connected or The Outfit.
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Yep, seperate class of citizen. I'm sure he will be afforded "proffesional courtesy" by the police and not be arrested for violating the law.
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Ysabel Kid wrote:"Osnoba"...
I didn't stop laughing for 5 minutes!!!
How perfectly accurate!!!
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I wonder???
I grow weary of the endless attacks, many racist,I find when I come here.When Obama first began his campaign there was a question of his being black enough, now he is castigated for being a snob.Seems a brother just can't win, either lazy and shiftless or uppity! I am saddened by the lack of change in the country of my birth. There have been many thinly veiled and not so thinly veiled racist comments around here for a long time,I have not engaged this issue because I thought it would do no good and I came for the gun info and to share thoughts with some of the kind, knowledgable folks that come here.. I suspect I was right in my pessimisistic views, sadly they continue to be reinforced. Minorities are condemned here for being lazy, dishonest, etc. This man has proven by his succeses that he is not lazy, nor is he stupid.Whether you accept it or not , what he is doing is a major sacrifrice for himself and his family. I for one , believe he does have the best interests of the country in his heart and offers the only hope for the future not only of the U.S. but the planet.Before the yelling starts, here's where I am coming from. I was born in the United States,right in the middle in fact. I am , God forbid, Black(slave and Choctaw to be precise).I worked my way through university and Medical School.I did not get any position through quota or special race consideration, I earned them through hard work and the talents God gifted me with.Three of my uncles and two cousins are buried under the FLAG having served in Korea and Vietnam.I live where I live because an opportunity to train ,do research and teach presented itself to me years ago, and I found I liked living my life as just me, not a hyphenated me.I am old enough to have lived in America when I was not allowed in theatres, amusement parks, swimming pools and even many hospitals,so I know alot about "bitter" and snobbery, so let's get real now. Being smart ( and Obama is) does not mean he is a snob. He has shown me a vision of America that fits what I learned in school many years ago, but alas did not see in life as I came of age in America. I love to hunt, my family, freedom and God and through you guys I have learned to love leverguns.I am willing to listen to you guys (have done so for a few years), surprise me and and open your minds and your hearts a little and listen to what the man has to say,you may actually surprise yourself and me. Hope you guys will still talk to me about lever guns , hunting, and life. Take care, peace to all....and oh yeah...YES WE CAN!!!!
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Re: I wonder???
big bear wrote:I grow weary of the endless attacks, many racist,I find when I come here.When Obama first began his campaign there was a question of his being black enough, now he is castigated for being a snob.
I am willing to listen to you guys (have done so for a few years), surprise me and and open your minds and your hearts a little and listen to what the man has to say,you may actually surprise yourself and me. Hope you guys will still talk to me about lever guns , hunting, and life. Take care, peace to all....and oh yeah...YES WE CAN!!!!
I can't speak for anyone else here, sir, but personally I don't give a hoot for someone's "natural paint job". Where I was raised I was in the minority and know what it means for folks to judge you by the color of your skin. But we were taught as kids to judge folks by who they were and what they did. And it is based on that info that I oppose Barrack Hussein Obama. His comments about folks "clinging bitterly to their religion and their guns" show what an elitist snob he is. But he's not alone. There's not a current candidate for the US presidency that's worth a plugged nickel in my honest opinion - and I don't care what race they may have been born into.
On the other hand, my hat's off to you. To have made it as far as you have with the cards stacked against you is commendable - and shows what CAN be done if you WANT to do it. I remember trying to find a job under "affirmative action". At the same time my future brother-in-law was in the same boat. We were both just out of highschool and had no credentials to show other than our HS (and IIRC he didn't even have that) Anyway, he had one thing he could put on his applications that I could not - his race. And he worked in about every place I put in an application - while I never got a call. When I finally DID get a call I worked for the company for the next three years - and to this day my manager would hire me on the spot if he had an opening, perhaps even canning someone to give me their spot if the circumstances warranted it. And my dear b-i-law? He's STILL a worthless employee who can't hold a job. And race has nothing to do with it, it's about self discipline and the desire to do the est one can do with what one has.
Anyway, I HAVE listened to BHO, and that's what worries me. It ain't his skin it's what comes out of his mouth that bothers me. As a nation we don't need any more entitlements or larger government, we need a level playing field for all (why not erase that "race" box from all applications for anything?) and the desire to let each person answer for their character and ability regardless of who their forefathers were. "A ship doesn't sail on yesterday's wind" - so what we do today with what we have is more important than who our parents were and what they did or didn't do.
Well, we can at least agree on leverguns. After all, that's what brought us here to this forum, isn't it?
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I remember a time when Barack Hussein Obama would have been attacked not for being a snob or a socialist but only for being black. His "white" supporters would have been ostracized by their communities IF they actually would publicly support him. NOBODY would have dared write his campaign a check that could come back to them. Now he's going to get the nomination. That's amazing.
Of course, I also remember Democrats who were to the right of many Republicans... That sure has changed, too. Heck, Senator Byrd has just endorsed Obama.
Of course, I also remember Democrats who were to the right of many Republicans... That sure has changed, too. Heck, Senator Byrd has just endorsed Obama.
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i don't know how this thread changed into one about obama, racisim and such...
but...i do know, i lived in an america where i was once asked to "go to the back to the 'colored' section or leave" when my self and another soldier, who was black, entered a cafe, in uniform. that was in killeen, texas, in 1963. things are MUCH different now.
obama rings of karl marx, che guevarra, fidel castro to name a few; if you work hard and prosper, you will pay dearly for it.
i think obama "change" will NOT be a good one for the average american especially GUNOWNERS. obama IS NOT a supporter of private ownership of firearms, and especially of handguns. his voting record on gun legislation and comments; "cling to religion and their guns" and "we must regulate firearms, reasonably" supports that. what determines what would "reasonable" be under an obama administration? we'll be lucky to be able to own leverguns...after all, with practice one may be operated nearly as fast as one of those evil AR's so desparately feared by many...
at this moment, we're watching oil prices/gasoline go up DAILY, medical insurance and medical costs go thru the ceiling...my medical insurance premiums have gone up by eight times (and i'm in good health!) and fuel costs have soared by nearly five times within the last six years. can, or will, obama change those? not likely...
has my income increased accordingly? nope...it ain't increased in the six years since i retired!
i never thought i'd see the day i'd be rooting for hillary...
but...i do know, i lived in an america where i was once asked to "go to the back to the 'colored' section or leave" when my self and another soldier, who was black, entered a cafe, in uniform. that was in killeen, texas, in 1963. things are MUCH different now.
obama rings of karl marx, che guevarra, fidel castro to name a few; if you work hard and prosper, you will pay dearly for it.
i think obama "change" will NOT be a good one for the average american especially GUNOWNERS. obama IS NOT a supporter of private ownership of firearms, and especially of handguns. his voting record on gun legislation and comments; "cling to religion and their guns" and "we must regulate firearms, reasonably" supports that. what determines what would "reasonable" be under an obama administration? we'll be lucky to be able to own leverguns...after all, with practice one may be operated nearly as fast as one of those evil AR's so desparately feared by many...
at this moment, we're watching oil prices/gasoline go up DAILY, medical insurance and medical costs go thru the ceiling...my medical insurance premiums have gone up by eight times (and i'm in good health!) and fuel costs have soared by nearly five times within the last six years. can, or will, obama change those? not likely...
has my income increased accordingly? nope...it ain't increased in the six years since i retired!
i never thought i'd see the day i'd be rooting for hillary...
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big bear said,
"I am , God forbid, Black(slave and Choctaw to be precise).
That's part of the problem. Although you are using "slave/Choctaw" to describe your heritage, you are in fact raising the poor, poor, pitiful, woe-is-me slavery connection. Knock it off!! You are in fact an American -- not an African-American but an American who is no better or worse than any other American. You certainly deserve the same respect that I would give any other human being and you will get and have my respect just as do all the other members of this forum.
I'm tired of this claim of racism that comes up every time a "Black" is criticised. Obama is a politician and a political life is a rough, tough, life. Politicians get criticised on a routine basis. For most politicians, criticism is just that but when it comes to a black politician it all of a sudden becomes racism.
Obama is one of the greatest threats to the well-being of this country to come down the pike in the last two centuries. Not because of his color but because of his beliefs. Obama is a snob -- pure-and-simple. So is Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd, Trent Lott, and others but my saying that Obama is a snob does not make me a racist.
So, knock off the claims of racism, come out of that "slave/Choctaw" shell and join the rest of us Americans in the Political process.
"I am , God forbid, Black(slave and Choctaw to be precise).
That's part of the problem. Although you are using "slave/Choctaw" to describe your heritage, you are in fact raising the poor, poor, pitiful, woe-is-me slavery connection. Knock it off!! You are in fact an American -- not an African-American but an American who is no better or worse than any other American. You certainly deserve the same respect that I would give any other human being and you will get and have my respect just as do all the other members of this forum.
I'm tired of this claim of racism that comes up every time a "Black" is criticised. Obama is a politician and a political life is a rough, tough, life. Politicians get criticised on a routine basis. For most politicians, criticism is just that but when it comes to a black politician it all of a sudden becomes racism.
Obama is one of the greatest threats to the well-being of this country to come down the pike in the last two centuries. Not because of his color but because of his beliefs. Obama is a snob -- pure-and-simple. So is Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd, Trent Lott, and others but my saying that Obama is a snob does not make me a racist.
So, knock off the claims of racism, come out of that "slave/Choctaw" shell and join the rest of us Americans in the Political process.
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Politics is never a nice subject and this year is no exception. Of the three candidates we have none are real winners, and it has ZERO to do with race or sex.
big bear
If anyone has used racist comments here, they deserve your wrath, an I too congratulate you on YOUR personal hard work and success. I too, had it hard for many years, but not once I got my current job. I have lived on my own since 10th grade (had to leave my South carloina HS for personal reasons) and only got aid in the form of auto mechanic schooling from the unemployement office of Charleston SC.
Spent 3 years in the Army ('72-75), got my GED there.
While working I went to the local junior college, got an AA degree in air conditioning and AS in business administration.
I have been on the wrong end of Affrimative Action more times than I can count, and I can say racism on any level for any reason is wrong.
I wouldn't give Obama the time of day. Not because of his color but because of the stuff that said, and compared to what he's done.
With all that said, the ONLY man (or person) I'd like to see in the oval office for he next 8 years (not just 4) is Colin Powell. HE is a man this entire nation can look up to.
I learned long ago to not judge a man by what he says, but what his actions are. I will trust people to my undoing when they tell me they believe and do certain things. Once I find out they're lying, I'm done with them.
He's lied so much about his church, he's never mentioned his mothers church (even MORE radical) and the comments his wife's made (never been proud of the country that gave her a Harvard degree, or made her rich) about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. Give me a break.
By the way, not that it matters, I'm Cherokee and Scottish.
I call em like I see em, and I honestly like Hillary more then Barak, but she's a liar too.
As I said before Powell is a man of honesty, and integrity, one man I would trust to lead my nation.
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If anyone has used racist comments here, they deserve your wrath, an I too congratulate you on YOUR personal hard work and success. I too, had it hard for many years, but not once I got my current job. I have lived on my own since 10th grade (had to leave my South carloina HS for personal reasons) and only got aid in the form of auto mechanic schooling from the unemployement office of Charleston SC.
Spent 3 years in the Army ('72-75), got my GED there.
While working I went to the local junior college, got an AA degree in air conditioning and AS in business administration.
I have been on the wrong end of Affrimative Action more times than I can count, and I can say racism on any level for any reason is wrong.
I wouldn't give Obama the time of day. Not because of his color but because of the stuff that said, and compared to what he's done.
With all that said, the ONLY man (or person) I'd like to see in the oval office for he next 8 years (not just 4) is Colin Powell. HE is a man this entire nation can look up to.
I learned long ago to not judge a man by what he says, but what his actions are. I will trust people to my undoing when they tell me they believe and do certain things. Once I find out they're lying, I'm done with them.
He's lied so much about his church, he's never mentioned his mothers church (even MORE radical) and the comments his wife's made (never been proud of the country that gave her a Harvard degree, or made her rich) about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. Give me a break.
By the way, not that it matters, I'm Cherokee and Scottish.
I call em like I see em, and I honestly like Hillary more then Barak, but she's a liar too.
As I said before Powell is a man of honesty, and integrity, one man I would trust to lead my nation.
+1 Absolutely! This country provides opportunities for everyone, and I have a great deal of respect for those that through hard work and perseverance, take advantage of it.handirifle wrote:big bear
If anyone has used racist comments here, they deserve your wrath, an I too congratulate you on YOUR personal hard work and success.
+1 here too. This isn't an election about race, though the media and Blacks would make it so. This is about the best person for the job ... black, white, male, female, etc.handirifle wrote:With all that said, the ONLY man (or person) I'd like to see in the oval office for he next 8 years (not just 4) is Colin Powell. HE is a man this entire nation can look up to.
As I said before Powell is a man of honesty, and integrity, one man I would trust to lead my nation.
Unfortunately. discussions of race will not go away until those of race (or Hispanic, Muslim, etc.) stop making an issue of it! The world has changed. It is time to move on, and most people have put matters of race behind them. However, issues continue because minorities make it a point of separating themselves from everyone else. Why is it we have African-Americans, but no Polish-Americans, or Irish-Americans, or Italian-Americans, etc.? We should all just be Americans...no other designation is required (unless one feels more connection with another country than their homeland; if so, go be a citizen there). And no one dare talk about the most oppressed people here in the U.S -- the white man. The ACLU is right there to jump on every perceived slight against a minority, but blantantly ignore far greater attrocities committed on whites.
Why is it that 15% of the population is Black, yet a far greater percentage than that is represented on TV, with a great number of shows having virtually an all-black cast? Why do we have BET and Black History month, yet nothing for the white American? Why do we have Affirmative Action in this day and age, while more deserving candidates can't get into good schools? Why are all the major sports teams dominated by blacks, and fairly represented at the leadership and management positions, yet we still have to listen to discrimination accusations? And why are we even having the discussion of Black Reparation 150 years after the fact, when every major people in the world (including Anglo-Saxons) has been subjected to slavery at one time or another in history? Enough already!!
People should stop perpetuating racism by holding themselves apart and separate from those they accuse of the very same thing that they practice. An earlier thread with this theme seems relevant here:
"A Brief for Whitey by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 03/21/2008 ET
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to supp ort soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent ?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago."
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Osnoba is an elitist urban yuppie snob. He would be one if he was White, Red, Yellow or Purple.
Osnoba is an elitist urban yuppie snob. He would be one if he was White, Red, Yellow or Purple.
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough.
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If not Dr. Ron Paul (R) or Dr. Mary Ruwart (L) then I'd prefer Condi over Gen. Powell (I served under him... I'm not as impressed as the old media uplifted him to be)) But he would still be no worse than McChurian.handirifle wrote:...With all that said, the ONLY man (or person) I'd like to see in the oval office for he next 8 years (not just 4) is Colin Powell. HE is a man this entire nation can look up to....
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough.
מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
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Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
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I don't think so. He'd have probably been one of the the youngest one-stars ever...donw wrote:powell was deputy CG of the americal div at the time of my lia wasn't he?
My Lai was 1968. Colin Powell is only 71. He would have been only 40 in 1968.
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He's ANTI-GUN and that is all I need to know. The fact that he's a socialist/ elitist who views the area between the two coasts with the same disdain as the San Fran/ New York/Hollywierd crowd is just icing on the cake.
big bear, are you voting for him because you like his socialist politics, or just because he's black?
big bear, are you voting for him because you like his socialist politics, or just because he's black?
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Colin Powell served as both a Captain and a Major in Viet Nam. He'd probably do a decent job as President but I would prefer Condoleca Rice if it were between the two.Old Ironsights wrote:I don't think so. He'd have probably been one of the the youngest one-stars ever...donw wrote:powell was deputy CG of the americal div at the time of my lia wasn't he?
My Lai was 1968. Colin Powell is only 71. He would have been only 40 in 1968.
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You are correct that Obama is anti-gun but so is John McCain.
I'm afraid that all three potential Presidential candidates are lacking this time around; however, of the three, McCain is my preference despite his short-comings.
I get very tired of people telling me that since I am white that my ancestors must have been slave owners, or even hinting at it. I have a lot of Irish in me, and there was an Irish coastal town taken in a slave raid by Africans in the 1600's. One of my ancestors, a Welsh immigrant, was noted in Virginia for refusing to won slaves. Barack Obama's Mother is a direct descendant of Civil War slave owners. This is all leading up to the point that Big Bear is guilty of making assumptions which are not true. It is not possible to tell a person's background by his name or looks. Besides, didn't the Reverend Martin Luther King want us to be judged on the content of our character?
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In truth because he is smart and I believe sincere, both rare in politicians, lawyers, and come to think of it preachers. To let you in on a secret, he is not really black from my point of view. Black Americans from my cultural historic point of view are the descendents of the people brought here on the slave ships. we share a cultural history of having survived on this continent through the bad and the good days of the evolution of America. Mr. Obama does not have that heritage, his wife does. I think he is a kinder and gentler person than I could ever be with regard to America , and can have the optimism that he has, that I have not had until this point in time. For the first time since I came of age I actually have hope in my heart for America. You must remember I grew up with Jim Crow, and have tasted the ugly, violent end of racism first hand. It has given me great hope and joy to see Americans of all colors, backgrounds etc supporting a vision of a better future for all. I have watched the place I grew up in become a place of extremem wealth and increasing poverty, more striking than I saw in the 1950s and 60s.The socialism thing doesn't carry much weight for me as from the vantage point of someone residing in Canada, he is actually quite conservative.I hang out here. I hunt, I shoot,drive an old truck, work real hard and don't trust any government. America will not be disarmed by any government,but by cultural change, but that is a long discussion and I really must get some work done (cause I'm taking Saturday off to go to a rifle match ) Like the lady said, this whole thing has made me proud to be an American for the first time in a long time, no offense intended. I'm voting for him because I would love The United States to be the place I thought it was when I was a child, a place of hope and promise, not the reality I saw when I came of age, not a good place to be me in.He has given me that hope, and I am a deeply suspicious, cynical man.BruceB wrote:He's ANTI-GUN and that is all I need to know. The fact that he's a socialist/ elitist who views the area between the two coasts with the same disdain as the San Fran/ New York/Hollywierd crowd is just icing on the cake.
big bear, are you voting for him because you like his socialist politics, or just because he's black?
The whole discussion reminds me of a Saturday when I was in in my second year of college. I was helping my buddy, a crew cut guy who loved blues music and pinball, work on his old truck. I let slip I didn't think America was the greatest place in the world, he was out from under that truck in a flash ,wrench in hand (his mom was an ex Army nurse and his Dad was super patriotic, and so forth) after along discussion of where I was coming from (inner city, vs.his small town middle American roots) he decided not to bash me.We are still friends.I would be overjoyed if my land of birth could be that marvelous place I was brought up to believe it was. I want the changes to happen mostly for my children and the the whole world's sake, because frankly, I have not been impressed by the way things have been going lately, and as goes America, so goes the world.Mr. Obama is the first man to have ever sparked that hope in me , ever. That's why I will vote for him. I like the folks on this site, and have been truly touched by the kindness I have felt here, that is why I have stepped up to share my thoughts with you all. Peace to you all.
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Big Bear. You did not address Hussien Obamas anti-gun stance. You merely stated a bunch of platitudes and threw in an unrelated story from your boyhood. Hussein Obama hates guns, gun owners, and christians, and I hate him right back. I think he hates white Americans, and I think he hates the ideals of Liberty this nation was founded on. I sincerely hope he does not ever become my CIC.
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You want to hear hate? Listen to one of Obama's pastor's sermons. Then you will know the level of contempt and hate that Obama has for white gun owners.nemhed wrote:Sore Shoulder, I think you use the word hate a little too liberally and lightly. There is a lot of hate in this world, don't be a hater.
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This isn't about me. This is about a man who attends an openly racist church with connections to racist muslim extremists, and who is not afraid to publicly belittle white gun owning christians, becoming the next president.
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I would not vote a Chicago Machine Politician to ANY position in DC.
White, Black, Hispanic, Republican or Democrat. Being a Big City Pol should automatically preclude you from National Office.
If you can't run a City (all those things that make folks from the inner city "not feel proud" of the US...) how the hell can you run a Country?
The only "Change" Osnoba brings is an entre' for the Outfit to start playing on the National Scene.
White, Black, Hispanic, Republican or Democrat. Being a Big City Pol should automatically preclude you from National Office.
If you can't run a City (all those things that make folks from the inner city "not feel proud" of the US...) how the hell can you run a Country?
The only "Change" Osnoba brings is an entre' for the Outfit to start playing on the National Scene.
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The Obama's live in a large, expensive mansion, Mrs. Obama has a much more expensive education than 98% of the rest of the U.S., they are treated as well as anyone here in the U.S. could ask to be treated. I don't understand why she didn't feel proud of her country before. I am extremely proud that someone who can claim to be a member of a minority can excell based on her skills. Please explain to me why her situation is cause for shame.
Funny thing about Chicago politics, I remember when one of the Daly family was helping AlGore in 2,000 to recount and they said that the popular vote should determine the winner. If every vote counts, then Hillary will be the nominee.
Funny thing about Chicago politics, I remember when one of the Daly family was helping AlGore in 2,000 to recount and they said that the popular vote should determine the winner. If every vote counts, then Hillary will be the nominee.
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What is your hope? Government playing Robin Hood?big bear wrote:In truth because he is smart and I believe sincere, both rare in politicians, lawyers, and come to think of it preachers. To let you in on a secret, he is not really black from my point of view. Black Americans from my cultural historic point of view are the descendents of the people brought here on the slave ships. we share a cultural history of having survived on this continent through the bad and the good days of the evolution of America. Mr. Obama does not have that heritage, his wife does. I think he is a kinder and gentler person than I could ever be with regard to America , and can have the optimism that he has, that I have not had until this point in time. For the first time since I came of age I actually have hope in my heart for America. You must remember I grew up with Jim Crow, and have tasted the ugly, violent end of racism first hand. It has given me great hope and joy to see Americans of all colors, backgrounds etc supporting a vision of a better future for all. I have watched the place I grew up in become a place of extremem wealth and increasing poverty, more striking than I saw in the 1950s and 60s.The socialism thing doesn't carry much weight for me as from the vantage point of someone residing in Canada, he is actually quite conservative.I hang out here. I hunt, I shoot,drive an old truck, work real hard and don't trust any government. America will not be disarmed by any government,but by cultural change, but that is a long discussion and I really must get some work done (cause I'm taking Saturday off to go to a rifle match ) Like the lady said, this whole thing has made me proud to be an American for the first time in a long time, no offense intended. I'm voting for him because I would love The United States to be the place I thought it was when I was a child, a place of hope and promise, not the reality I saw when I came of age, not a good place to be me in.He has given me that hope, and I am a deeply suspicious, cynical man.BruceB wrote:He's ANTI-GUN and that is all I need to know. The fact that he's a socialist/ elitist who views the area between the two coasts with the same disdain as the San Fran/ New York/Hollywierd crowd is just icing on the cake.
big bear, are you voting for him because you like his socialist politics, or just because he's black?
Why did you abandon your country and reside in Canada?
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This whole thing about Obama being persecuted is BS. Sorry, it just is.
The facts bear this out. The facts show that he's been given many many passes that would never be alloted to a "European-American".
He is a proven racist and socialist.
I would gladly vote for a true conservative - Constitutionalist candidate of any ethnicity.
I would support a candidacy of Condi Rice for example - I think she is super-woman and could do an excellent job as POTUS. Unfortunately she is much too intelligent to want the job...
I could easily vote for Gen. Collin Powell if he was to espouse conservative-pro constitutional plans.
There are many conservative Americans of African heritage that I would vote for.
Barak Hussein Obama is not one of these people - he is the direct opposite of one of these people.
It really is too bad that the first minority candidate with any kind of chance at winning is a racist/socialist.
The facts bear this out. The facts show that he's been given many many passes that would never be alloted to a "European-American".
He is a proven racist and socialist.
I would gladly vote for a true conservative - Constitutionalist candidate of any ethnicity.
I would support a candidacy of Condi Rice for example - I think she is super-woman and could do an excellent job as POTUS. Unfortunately she is much too intelligent to want the job...
I could easily vote for Gen. Collin Powell if he was to espouse conservative-pro constitutional plans.
There are many conservative Americans of African heritage that I would vote for.
Barak Hussein Obama is not one of these people - he is the direct opposite of one of these people.
It really is too bad that the first minority candidate with any kind of chance at winning is a racist/socialist.
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Condi.....+1,000,000O.S.O.K. wrote: I would support a candidacy of Condi Rice for example - I think she is super-woman and could do an excellent job as POTUS. Unfortunately she is much to intelligent to want the job...
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