POLITICS - I'm Tired of All This

[Bill Storey]

Today, on the evening news, I saw something I'm really getting tired of. The President was pushing Congress to allow offshore drilling in the 80% of the Continental Shelf which is under a drilling moratorium. He blamed it on the Democrats. The next bite was of a Democratic spokesman blaming the Republican administration because they have no energy policy.

I'm tired of the finger pointing. I'm tired of the bipartisan attitudes of all those, and there is no better way to put this, in power. How did they get to be "in power"? I thought those in government service were supposed to be servants of the people. Nothing is being done to solve our national problems, and really, nothing has been done in at least 20 years. One side gets control and takes from us one way, then a couple of years later the other side gets control and takes from us another way.

I was taught to believe the best way to solve a philosophical difference is through the art of compromise, but apparently I was taught wrong. According to what I see from our national leaders, grade school kids have it down pat. If accused of causing problems, deny, deny, deny, then make counter accusations.

[Hobie]

They win by having a problem to "solve" and they won't have problems if they solve them. Then again, there are some who couldn't solve a problem if it was 2+2=X.

[Andrew]

You are correct about the way the politicalized people act; pretty pathetic at times.

They win by having a problem to "solve" and they won't have problems if they solve them. Then again, there are some who couldn't solve a problem if it was 2+2=X.

4? No wait, that's 2x2. Hold on, I'll get back to ya....

[Grizz]

I feel your pain Bill

That's why I'm on a mission to defeat the incumbents. We don't exert any influence by electing them, we only have power as an electorate if we don't re-elect them. Eventually the process of defeating them may produce a group of politicians who will do the right things. It's better odds than what we face now. I want to get my country back, and the only way I can see is to get the oligarchy out of DC.

http://www.voidnow.org/antiincumbent_news/
http://tenurecorrupts.com/
http://www.no-incumbents.org/

[brucew44guns]

What I'm sick and tired of, is all the old time moss backs in power who make and cause all the trouble. There should be a 2 term limit on reps and senators. Let them get in there and steal all they can, feather their nest all they can, and then they're gone. Ted Kennedy---what has he done that a common sense farmer from Kansas couldn't have done better? What has Charles Schumer done for America and our future, that an average log truck driver from Oregon couldn't have done better? Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and the list is endless, keep on naming them, Durbin, Leahy, Murfa, Kerry,---they're worthless as trash at the garbage dump. We pay those turkeys 179 or 189,000 bucks a year, trusting them to do something good for America, and that pay is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure. Their perks would stagger most of us, yet they tear our country asunder. In my way of seeing it, they are the most putrid bunch of un-patriotic pigs on the planet. That Tom Daschle was a prize, the people up in S.D. finally smelled the bacon and put the rails under him. But about 3/4 of what's left in Washington ought to be retired in the same way. Completely voted into ignominy. The newcomers would be stealing for themselves the first few years, no time to worry about gun bans and such. I told my wife, that if there was a mass uprising of 5 million men who went to Washington just to clean out the place, take no prisoners, we might have a chance to be America again. I mean clean it out to the last man standing, not even the dog catcher or the janitor would be safe in Washington. I really don't have any feelings about this subject, Im just trying to be nice tonight!!. I saved my hard talk.

[Rusty]

I was watching a PBS show tonight where Charlie Wrangle said, "there are actually people who think that Al quada is coming across the southern border."

Maybe he should talk to a border patrol officer. Those people are clueless.

[Mich Hunter]

Your right about one thing. These people stopped representing "The People" along time ago. The only thing they represent is their own agenda. This new congress has proven that very well. Funny thing is, they also promised "Change" and partied their arses off when they won. They now have a lower approval raiting than the President that they bash on a daily basis. Even though 80% of the country wants them to approve drilling on our own land, they seem to ignore the whole majority rules thing and must protect us from ourselves. Its sad to say that this country is on the fast track to self destruction.

[Ysabel Kid]

I'm with Bruce and Grizz - vote 'em all out. Worthless bunch of arrogant ignoramuses. What we need to do is NOT compromise but rather INSIST that they do it all - right now. Explore for, recover and refine our own natural resources, including in ANWR, the outer continental shelf and the shale oil fields. Start building more refineries. Start building a lot more nuclear power plants. Continue with clean burning coal, hydro-electric, wind farms, etc. - pretty much everything BUT ethanol which has proven to be a disaster. At the same time put the effort we put forth to get a man on the moon within a decade towards achieving complete energy independence in a decade. Work on alternative fuel sources and technologies. Work on conservation and efficiency technologies that save energy without reducing our economy nor our standard of living. Do it all - AND DO IT NOW.

[Andrew]

Kid,

That drive you speak of is exactly what we need, but, it will never happen with so many un-americans that are living here. I don't mean illegals, I mean fruitcakes that seem to oppose everything that could/would make this country greater. Those are the "enemy within" as Micheal Savage would say.

[Old Ironsights]

Today, on the evening news, I saw something I'm really getting tired of. The President was pushing Congress to allow offshore drilling in the 80% of the Continental Shelf which is under a drilling moratorium. He blamed it on the Democrats. The next bite was of a Democratic spokesman blaming the Republican administration because they have no energy policy.

I'm tired of the finger pointing. I'm tired of the bipartisan attitudes of all those, and there is no better way to put this, in power. How did they get to be "in power"? I thought those in government service were supposed to be servants of the people. Nothing is being done to solve our national problems, and really, nothing has been done in at least 20 years. One side gets control and takes from us one way, then a couple of years later the other side gets control and takes from us another way.

I was taught to believe the best way to solve a philosophical difference is through the art of compromise, but apparently I was taught wrong. According to what I see from our national leaders, grade school kids have it down pat. If accused of causing problems, deny, deny, deny, then make counter accusations.

The finger pointing at the Dems is well deserved. It is THEY who will nothave not compromised.

10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaringgasprices
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Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices

This started out as an attempt to create a light and humorous, Letterman-esque Top 10 list. But the items on the list, and the drain Americans are seeing in their pocketbooks because of Democrats' actions (sometimes inaction) are just too tragic for that.

10) ANWR If Bill Clinton had signed into law the Republican Congress's 1995 bill to allow drilling of ANWR instead of vetoing it, ANWR could be producing a million barrels of (non-Opec) oil a day--5% of the nation's consumption. Although speaking in another context, even Democrat Senator Charles Schumer, no proponent of ANWR drilling, admits that "one million barrels per day," would cause the price of gasoline to fall "50 cents a gallon almost immediately," according to a recent George Will column.

9) Coastal Drilling (i.e., NIMBY - not in my backyard) Democrats have consistently fought efforts to drill off the U.S. coast, as evidenced by Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's preotestation against a failed 2005 bill: "Not only does this legislation dismantle the bi-partisan ban on offshore drilling, but it provides a financial incentive for states to do so."
A financial incentive? With the Chinese now slant drilling for oil just 50 miles off the Florida coast, wouldn't that have been a good thing?

Insistence on alternative fuels One of the first acts of the new Democrat-controlled congress in 2007 was an energy bill that "calls for a huge increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel and requires new appliance efficiency standards." By focusing on alternative fuels such as ethanol, and not more drilling, Democrats have added to the cost of food, worsening starvation problems around the word and increasing inflationary pressures in the U.S., including prices at the pump.

7) Nuclear power Even the French, who sometimes seem to lack the backbone to stand up for anything other than soft cheese, faced down their environmentalists over the need for nuclear power. France now generates 79% of its electricity from nuclear plants, mitigating the need for imported oil. The French have so much cheap energy that France has become the world's largest exporter of electric power. They have plans in place to build more reactors, including an experimental fusion reactor.

The last nuclear reactor built in the United States, according to the US Dept of Energy, was the "River Bend" plant in Louisiana. Its construction began in March of 1977.

Need I say more?

6) Coal "The liquid hydrocarbon fuel available from American coal reserves exceeds the crude oil reserves of the entire world," writes Dr. Arthur Robinson in an article on humanevents.com. The U.S. has approximately one-fourth of the world's known, proven coal reserves. Coal would be a proven, and increasingly clean, source of electric power and--at current prices--a liquified fuel that would reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Yet Dems and their enviro friends have fought, and continue to fight, both coal-mining and coal plants.

5) Refinery capacity "High oil prices are still being propped up by a shortage of refinery capacity and there is little sign of the bottleneck easing until 2010," according to Peak Oil News. And, while voters in South Dakota have approved zoning for what could become the first new oil refinery in the United States in 30 years, the Dems' environmentalist constituency vows to oppose it, just like environmentalists opposed the floodgates that could have saved New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina.

4) Reduced competition: With consolidation in the oil industry, has come reduced competition. Remember, most of the major oil company mergers -- Shell-Texaco, BP-Amoco, Exxon-Mobil, BP-ARCO, and Chevron-Texaco -- happened on Clinton's watch. The number of oil refiners dropped from 28 to 19 companies during Clinton's two terms.

3) The Global Warming Myth: At a Group of 8 meeting this week, host and Japanese Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Akira Amari "described the issues of climate change and energy as two sides of the same coin and proposed united solutions ... to address both issues simultaneously". As a result of Global Warming hysteria, the Al Gore-negotiated Kyoto Protocol created a worldwide market in carbon-emissions trading. Both 2005 --the year that trading was initiated--and this year --when the trading expanded dramatically -- saw substantial and unexpected price spikes in the cost of oil, leading us to reason Number...

2) Speculation: "Given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices ... it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation," writes F. William Engdahl, an Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. According to a June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report, US energy futures historically "were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States... The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from (federal) oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000." The bill was signed into law by Bill Clinton, in one of his last acts in office.

1) Defeat of President Bush's 2001 energy package According to the BBC, "Key points of Bush('s 2001) plan were to:

- Promote new oil and gas drilling
- Build new nuclear plants
- Improve electricity grid and build new pipelines -$10bn in tax breaks to promote energy efficiency and alternative fuels

A New York Times article, dated May 18, 2001, explained:

Quote:Mr. Bush's plea for a new dialogue came as his administration published the report of energy task force containing scores of specific proposals... for finding new sources of power and encouraging a range of new energy technologies."

[The Bush plan] "mentions about a dozen areas including land-use restrictions in the Rockies, lease stipulations on offshore areas attractive to oil companies, the vetting of locations for nuclear plants, environmental reviews to upgrade power plants and refineries that could be streamlined or eliminated to help industry find more oil and gas and produce more electricity and gasoline."

The article went on to quote some rather prescient words from the President, "this great country could face a darker future, a future that is, unfortunately, being previewed in rising prices at the gas pump and rolling blackouts in the great state of California" if his plan was not adopted in 2001.

The Times account continued:

Quote:"Mr. Bush talked not only of blackouts but of blackmail, raising the specter of a future in which the United States is increasingly vulnerable to foreign oil suppliers...Mr. Bush was praised by many groups for laying out a long-term energy policy. His report contained 105 initiatives..."

Just as President Bush's predictions have been born out, the article quoted from that most sage of Democrats, former President Jimmy Carter:

Quote:"World supplies are adequate and reasonably stable, price fluctuations are cyclical, reserves are plentiful," he (Carter) argued. Mr. Carter said "exaggerated claims seem designed to promote some long-frustrated ambitions of the oil industry at the expense of environmental quality."

But, as a later Times article notes, "the president's ambitious policy quickly became a casualty of energy politics and, notably, harsh criticism from Democrats enraged by the way the White House had created the plan."

In other words, Democrats refused the President's plea to "break free of the traditional antagonism between energy producers and environmental advocates."

Remember that the next time you pull up to the pump ... or the voter's booth.

William Tate is a former award-winning journalist and the author of the new novel, A Time Like This (www.atimelikethis.us/

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Now, recall #5 above and read the following:

Urgent: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries

Per Pergram-Capitol Hill

House Democrats responded to President's Bush's call for Congress to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling. This was at an on-camera press conference fed back live.

Among other things, the Democrats called for the government to own refineries so it could better control the flow of the oil supply.

They also reasserted that the reason the Appropriations Committee markup (where the vote on the amendment to lift the ban) was cancelled so they could focus on preparing the supplemental Iraq spending bill for tomorrow.

At an off-camera briefing, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said the same. And a senior Republican House Appropriations Committee aide adds that "there were multiple reasons for the postponement" including discussion on the supplemental. But the aide said there was the thought that Democrats may wish to avoid a debate today on energy amendments.

Here are the highlights from briefing

Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), member of the House Appropriations Committee and one of the most-ardent opponents of off-shore drilling

1115

We (the government) should own the refineries. Then we can control how much gets out into the market.

Hinchey on why they postponed the Appropriations markup

1119

I think there aren't enough votes for the Peterson amendment. It wasn't taken up (the Interior spending bill) because of the omnibus Appropriations bill. That's the main focus of the Appropriations Committee.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL)

1116

They (Republicans) have a one-trick pony approach.
Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV), Chairman of the Resources Committee

1106

You cannot drill your way out of this.

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), chairman of the House Select Committee on Global Warming

1111

The White House has become a ventriloquist for the oil and gas energy. The finger should be directed back at them. They had plenty of opportunity to (arrange an energy policy). But they did not put an energy policy in place.

Markey

1123

The governors of California and the governors of Florida are going to scream this is not the way to go.

Hinchey

1125

There are a lot of arrows in the President's quiver that he decided not use.

Hinchey

1128

What we do has to be in the interest of the American people. Not major corporations.

Emanuel

1131

It's like when I talk to my kids. Before we're going to talk about dessert, we've got to talk about what's on your plate. I hope I'm a little more successful with the oil industry than I am with my kids.

Markey7

1132

There are so many red herrings out there they might as well construct an aquarium.

From House Majoirity Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) when I asked him if the markup was cancelled because of potential Democratic defections on the Peterson amendment..

"No. The reason the markups aren't going through is because we're trying to get the supplemental on the floor tomorrow."

And from a Senior Republican House Appropriations Aide..

"There were multiple reasons for the postponement including ongoing negotiations on the (supplemental) and a (Democratic) wish to avoid debate and votes on the energy amendments.

http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/ind ... 2008-06-18

[JP_TX]

Old Ironsites.

Thanks. This really needs to be public knowledge. I sent it to a bunch of folks I know.

It makes me wonder who the Dem's are actually working for. It can't possibly be the American people because we are not the one that are benefiting from skyrocketing oil, gas and food prices.

It benefits OPEC. It benefits all the Socialist countries that own their oil companies and refineries. Iran, Russia, Mexico, Venezuela and the Middle East and African countries that keep their people in poverty. It benefits the Dems themselves in that it give them an excuse to try to turn the US into a Socialist country nationalizing the oil industry, but it doesn't benefit the American people.

So why do it? Can someone answer me that?

JP

[bunklocoempire]

Today, on the evening news, I saw something I'm really getting tired of. The President was pushing Congress to allow offshore drilling in the 80% of the Continental Shelf which is under a drilling moratorium. He blamed it on the Democrats. The next bite was of a Democratic spokesman blaming the Republican administration because they have no energy policy.

I'm tired of the finger pointing. I'm tired of the bipartisan attitudes of all those, and there is no better way to put this, in power. How did they get to be "in power"? I thought those in government service were supposed to be servants of the people. Nothing is being done to solve our national problems, and really, nothing has been done in at least 20 years. One side gets control and takes from us one way, then a couple of years later the other side gets control and takes from us another way.

I was taught to believe the best way to solve a philosophical difference is through the art of compromise, but apparently I was taught wrong. According to what I see from our national leaders, grade school kids have it down pat. If accused of causing problems, deny, deny, deny, then make counter accusations.

Welcome aboard!

#1. Understand our monetary policy, understand (as others have mentioned) who the government serves, in aint us!

Follow the money.

You'd think our Republican President would've worked with the Republican majority Congress (years ago) to prepare for this, they didn't, why?

Again, follow the money.

Bunkloco

[oldmax]

Old Ironsights, very good :::;

But your gonna get bashed by LIEberals

[Old Ironsights]

Old Ironsights, very good :::;

But your gonna get bashed by LIEberals

And this is new in what way?

I get bashed for restating the commentaries of the Founders when they are directly applicable to the current events too...

Not a Founder, but:

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." – G. Orwell

[Slick13]

They win by having a problem to "solve" and they won't have problems if they solve them.

Yep, they have to have a reason to justify their existance. Govt's "job" is to expand it's power and authority and increase the public's dependence on them, and thereby guarantee it's continued existance. It is not there to serve us, and certainly not there to solve any problems.

~Michael

[Old Ironsights]

They win by having a problem to "solve" and they won't have problems if they solve them.

Yep, they have to have a reason to justify their existance. Govt's "job" is to expand it's power and authority and increase the public's dependence on them, and thereby guarantee it's continued existance. It is not there to serve us, and certainly not there to solve any problems. ~Michael

Why does that sound like how the NRA does business?...

[Ysabel Kid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnVVkCsw41c

[bunklocoempire]

Mostly identical post but extremely applicable for this topic.

The problem, high gas prices. As some may know, gold and oil remain pretty constant with each other, the price of oil in U.S. dollars however...

Consider all the finger pointing, who don't they point the finger at?

The sure way to strengthen the dollar would be to stop creating it out of thin air and abolish the Federal Reserve. With oil and the growing world market for demand, can we really say producing more oil in the U.S. will lower prices (in U.S.dollars)? The rub comes when you think: If I can produce something in the U.S., and get the same price, or, a better price elsewhere by accepting a stronger currency (other than the U.S. dollar), wouldn't I want to do that? *You would of course trade your unit of strong currency for a bunch of weak dollars, to pay your U.S. bills etc.. We can't Constitutionally prevent a product from being sold to a higher bidder elsewhere.

Just because someone makes a product here, doesn't mean they have to sell it here. Remember, Greenspan the ex-Fed was over in the Mid East telling the gulf states to dump the U.S. dollar in March. The Feds and powers that be are desperately trying to keep this controlled by creating and reducing inflation at the same time, the UN-Constitutional monster that was unleashed is out of their control.

And we get to pay for all the abuse that's occured over 30+ years, in a very short time, we are in a huge game of catch-up.

Essentially we have to provide 30+ years of GNP right NOW, aint gonna work.

To get a taste of what the Feds are trying to keep at bay, while protecting their butts 1st, and our butts 2nd(if at all), think of this:

Your wage 30+ years ago-trying to get you through a month at todays prices-and worse. It aint pretty folks.

Drilling is important, alternative energy is important, but drilling without changing our system of fiat money or the size of our government gets us nowhere.

It's a simple concept that seems to be hard to grasp. If I could only get Fred Thompson to talk about it! Huckabee maybe?

Bunkloco

[TomD]

"Yep, they have to have a reason to justify their existance. Govt's "job" is to expand it's power and authority and increase the public's dependence on them, and thereby guarantee it's continued existance. It is not there to serve us, and certainly not there to solve any problems."

I'll buy a little of that, but the rest of the thread is pretty pathetic: It starts by essentially saying the political process is too partisan. Then carries on with some preaching partisan political points to the choir. On some other board that is more dem in membership the exact same thing is happening from the Dem perspective, and when the two sides meet you have you partisanship problem, followed by a lot of talk about nobody being willing to compromise. Don't hear much compromise here.

[oldmax]

If the Weak Dollar is causing High oil prices,
Than the 'Irresponsible' are causing me to get screwed again....
How, They don't pay there Mortgage , they whine, interest rates lowered,
"Print more money" , Dollar weakens,
I GET SCREWED AGAIN,
I am tired of the " Stupids "
I owe no money, I borrow not, I do without ( NO TV for one )
No " CHINA stuff " ( Another weak dollar item )
But I get a " Stupid Bill " every day, Higher Fuel, Food,Electric,etc.
And, I'm on a fixed income...I get poor'er every day to support ' STUPID WHINERS'

But, I'M OLD & TUFF, Since I never had much, I don't miss much.....
I can survive pretty much anything . I WON"T fell sorry for the "WHINNNNNNERS"

AAAHHHHH, Now I feel a LITTLE better, Thanks all.

AND: I here the FEDS are after some WALL STREET Crooks
GEE'S, there all crooks, lock them all up, than sort out the innocent,
Don't think it would be a hard job...;

You All !!!, Have a nice day,

[Blackhawk]

What I'm sick and tired of, is all the old time moss backs in power who make and cause all the trouble. There should be a 2 term limit on reps and senators. Let them get in there and steal all they can, feather their nest all they can, and then they're gone. Ted Kennedy---what has he done that a common sense farmer from Kansas couldn't have done better? What has Charles Schumer done for America and our future, that an average log truck driver from Oregon couldn't have done better? Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and the list is endless, keep on naming them, Durbin, Leahy, Murfa, Kerry,---they're worthless as trash at the garbage dump. We pay those turkeys 179 or 189,000 bucks a year, trusting them to do something good for America, and that pay is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure. Their perks would stagger most of us, yet they tear our country asunder. In my way of seeing it, they are the most putrid bunch of un-patriotic pigs on the planet. That Tom Daschle was a prize, the people up in S.D. finally smelled the bacon and put the rails under him. But about 3/4 of what's left in Washington ought to be retired in the same way. Completely voted into ignominy. The newcomers would be stealing for themselves the first few years, no time to worry about gun bans and such. I told my wife, that if there was a mass uprising of 5 million men who went to Washington just to clean out the place, take no prisoners, we might have a chance to be America again. I mean clean it out to the last man standing, not even the dog catcher or the janitor would be safe in Washington. I really don't have any feelings about this subject, Im just trying to be nice tonight!!. I saved my hard talk.

We really need a STICKY THATS "POST OF THE WEEK" or "POST OF THE MONTH", "DAY" or something.

Bruce,

I like the way you think. I applaud you my friend.

[Griff]

Well... to throw some gasoline on this fire, I stopped in Vinton, LA for breakfast this morning. Some news cable channel was playing, and I could barely hear the sound, but... the TTY was playing across the bottom of the screen; anyway, I thought I heard, "Obama's plan to Nationalize the oil refineries should just about guarantee his popularity with the masses..." AND I did read all but the name said in front of that sentence. The talking head went on to say that increased production will not ease the strain on demand, but... that demand must be reduced. Then another talking head said, "Obama's plan that forces me to ride the bus will do that, I can live with that..."

Did I mis-hear?

Are these folks nuts? What freakin' bus? So, raise the price to $8/gal, have the taxpayers foot the bill for production, pay for their use (whether they ride to bus or drive their own vehicle), and leave 95% of the country w/o a transportation alternative. Can you say communism. Who defeated who?

Anyone who could vote for such a plan needs to... As for the people that dreamt it up... nooses.

[Old Ironsights]

Remember Griff, all this is about URBAN COLLECTIVISTS. The Gooberment and their Talking Head Mouthpieces don't give a rat's tail about Rural America (unless they can get votes by subsidies/bribes).

When high fuel prices and stupid policies (food based ethanol) make the cost of food production, and thereby the cost of food outrageously expensive, then the next thing to "nationalize" will be food production.

Can we say "Gulag Farms" and "5 Year Plans"?

Is there any wonder why they want to ban Battle Rifles?

The corrupt, and violence/liberal ridden, Urban Ratholes want to control the rest of America... and they've got the votes to do it.

Rural America had better wake up NOW.

[Blackhawk]

Well... to throw some gasoline on this fire, I stopped in Vinton, LA for breakfast this morning. Some news cable channel was playing, and I could barely hear the sound, but... the TTY was playing across the bottom of the screen; anyway, I thought I heard, "Obama's plan to Nationalize the oil refineries should just about guarantee his popularity with the masses..." AND I did read all but the name said in front of that sentence. The talking head went on to say that increased production will not ease the strain on demand, but... that demand must be reduced. Then another talking head said, "Obama's plan that forces me to ride the bus will do that, I can live with that..."

Did I mis-hear?

Are these folks nuts? What freakin' bus? So, raise the price to $8/gal, have the taxpayers foot the bill for production, pay for their use (whether they ride to bus or drive their own vehicle), and leave 95% of the country w/o a transportation alternative. Can you say communism. Who defeated who?

Anyone who could vote for such a plan needs to... As for the people that dreamt it up... nooses.

Griff,

No you probably didn't mis-hear. People in cities are labeled as more "Green" that rural folks.They don't drive much, or as far, or can take a bus, etc. Rural folks have to drive 20 to 30 miles, as an example, to town to get gas. It takes me ~20 minutes to to get to a gas pump. If Osama wins this election it will be cause of our nations ignorance.