POLITICS - Obama's Ten Point Plan For Gun Owners

[Pete44ru]

[gundownunder]

Gentlemen
If he gets in you will know exactly what we in Australia and the UK have been talking about when we talk about draconian gun laws.

[2571]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

[TedH]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

That would be far better than the alternative.

[Jay Bird]

Is this for real? Maybe made up. Would he make something up this STUPID, or is it a wish list. Let it happen and let the fun begin.

[Jay Bird]

Change in 08.......................Change in your pocket, is all you'll have. I will NOT give up my right. I'm ready R U.....

[airedaleman]

A lawyer wants change in '08... Vote for Obama, and you'll get change all right. And you won't recognize your country (or what's left of it) after two years or so of his administration.
God help us!

[Ysabel Kid]

Obama...

[handirifle]

Is this for real? Maybe made up. Would he make something up like this, or is it a wish list. Let it happen and let the fun begin.

I suppose if my wife was worth 220 million, I might not remember how many houses I owned either. I'll still vote for McCain, thank you.

[Jay Bird]

I can't remenber how many guns I own. VOTE McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mklwhite]

The bad thing is is that the choices are both awful. One is so rich and/or old he has no idea how many houses he has. Is has been in government so long he can't think of anything that hasn't been done before or how it will effect his popularity. He seems lost and confused and too dang wimpy in his speaking engagements to feel confident in.

The other is so new to politics that he is overly idealistic and doesn't realize the quagmire that Washington politics actually is or how to ramrod something through it when absolutely necessary. He is overly warm and fuzzy when it comes to the future and seems unwilling to say "things kind of suck now and will continue to for a while until..." Instead like the House Democrats he says (or God help us thinks) that the day he gets into office the clouds will part and everything will be instantly better.

Both are rich. Both are clueless. Both have their heads shoved so far up their own rhetoric that they have no idea what they are actually saying half the time. One is too dang old to be in touch with 21st century (tech & ideas), the other so filled with his own hype that he thinks he can change the world to his personal vision of Utopia.

Is Washington "broke"? Yes it is. Can either of them fix it? No way.
We a cornered by two choices that aren't choices most of us would make. My only comfort in this decision making process is that thanks to the electoral college my vote on the subject isn't worth the paper it is printed on.

[brucew44guns]

I worry that if Obama is pres, the gun banners will be so strengthened and emboldened, knowing they have their big chief in the white house to spur on idiocy. From the Scotus to Brady to the congress and house, all the anti's will be on the rampage. Public sentiment will either cave in their favor, or there will be an uprising. People on this forum alone represent a fortune in rifle investments,------- banning them or forbidding them somehow, will not go down smoothly for Obama.

[Pete44ru]

Lest we forget a basic fact, about all politicians:



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[Gary]

Candidate A can't remember how many houses he owns.
Candidate B is against second amendment rights.

I vote "A".

[Old Ironsights]

There can be only reason for the obvious manufacturing of the Obamanable Candidate: The Daley/Chicago Political Machine/Outfit wants control of DC.

The (in)Justice Department has recently been doing a fair to middling job of sending Chicago/Mob Politicans to the clink for doing all the things that politicians regularly do. This is unacceptable to the Emperor - as he recently let slip.

Consider that The Chosen One has no background but does have the backing of long time paternalist Pols. Illannoy Senate President Emil Jones, after waiting for the filing deadline to pass, is leaving his Seat to his Son while waiting to become an Obamanable Advisor.

An Obamanable White House will pack DC with Chicago Machine appointments - guaranteeing that the (in)Justice Dept will leave the Empire alone and pave the way for the REAL Chicago Candidate... Richie Daley III - who is off getting an image whitewash in the US Army Rangers until he becomes old enough for the Emperor to install him in the White House.

At least the Wicked Witch was only PERSONALLY evil. The Chosen One is a puppet of much more nefarious and unaccountable forces.

At least that what this "Hoosier" peeking through the barbed wire into the Empire sees...


Can we have a Revolution already?

[kirkwood]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

Depends on what you mean by houses. The McCain's have an estate with separate living quarters for guests. Should that count as one house or multiple houses? And should you count homes his wife owns separately as also belonging to him? It isn't a question that can be answered with a single number. Why not ask Biden how many homes he owns since he also has an estate with separate buildings. Ans does Obama really own all of the homes he has since he could only afford them by getting shady real estate deals.

[Old Ironsights]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

Define "house".

I do not have a "house". I have a Condo. If I needed to spend a lot of time in various cities across the US I would have a Condo in each if I could afford it... it would give me a place to keep my guns so I wouldn't have to fly with them.

I could have 30 "Million dollar plus" condos and not have ANY "houses".

And If I married a rich wider-woman who had her own house(s) I may or may not have actually taken the time to care about how many she had. I would hope she would feel the same way about my guns...

[45Jack]

OI hit the nail on the head.
Obama is a product of the corrupt Chicago/Illinois political machine.
Gov. Blagojevich and Mayor Daley want Illinois to be the first gun - free state.
Obama is their minion at the national level.
If Obama gets in expect your taxes to double (to afford his social welfare programs for the entitled classes) and expect your second amendment rights to be infringed.
If there is anyone who can't see that, they need a window installed in their belly.
Jack

[horsesoldier03]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

Not sure what your point is??? Would you prefer I vote for a man that is poor and unable to manage his own money much less that of a nation!

Besides that McCain is a better canidate than Obama on all of his political views.

Maybe you can tell us what CHANGE is since Obama has yet to attempt to address that issue.

[44LVR]

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[JP_TX]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

2571 Please explain why a person who is so eager to elect a president who is even more eager to implement gun control at the federal level would belong to a web site devoted to avid gun owners and hunters who advocate the 2nd amendment and less gun control?

Something just doesn't add up.

JP

[Hillbilly]

If you follow Illinois politics, Obama has pretty well p-oed the Chicago Machine... he tossed his hat in with the downstaters years ago. The Black leadership in Chicago doesnt like him either.

The opinion of many is he's on the national stage today simply because he could not manhandle the party in his own state.

[Old Ironsights]

If you follow Illinois politics, Obama has pretty well p-oed the Chicago Machine... he tossed his hat in with the downstaters years ago. The Black leadership in Chicago doesnt like him either.

Half right. The Daley Machine is backing BO 100% - not because the "like" him, but because they control him - mostly - and he is their entre' to DC.

The Race Pimps in Chitown (Jessie Jackson/Louie Farakahn) don't like BO because he threatens their meal ticket if he wins. OTOH, if he loses they get a brand-new "dissed" Black Man to hold up as their poster child.

The opinion of many is he's on the national stage today simply because he could not manhandle the party in his own state.

Then they don't understand Chicago Politics.

[Hillbilly]

Having lived in the "eastern suburbs" (Berrien County) for several years I can say the only thing I miss about Chicago is the Cubs and Channel 9.

Jeff

[JohnnyReb]

Yeah, let's elect a guy who's so old he can't remember how many houses he owns.

Change in '08

2571 Please explain why a person who is so eager to elect a president who is even more eager to implement gun control at the federal level would belong to a web site devoted to avid gun owners and hunters who advocate the 2nd amendment and less gun control?

Something just doesn't add up.

JP

Ditto...JR

Also, please explain the "change" we all need?

[O.S.O.K.]

Just for the record - those 10 points are basically a listing of the gun control laws that obamination has voted for while a state senator and US senator.

And yes, the idiot is totally, completely, without a question unacceptable as a POTUS candidate. He is simply not qualified.

Never mind that he's a corupt socialist and racist.

[bunklocoempire]

It's a mad house!! A mad house!! Obama shmamma. Sure Obama aint no friend to gunowners, just doin' a little venting.

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

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Lets see, do I want to issue the challenge of "come and take it" to a democrat or a republican? No matter, it's all government.

Gun owners up the creek? Sure we are, don't like the odds? The odds we have are better than what our founding fathers faced, the difference is, they faced 'em.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=17
"Gun control historically serves as a gateway to tyranny. Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control. Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other right. This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical government."

Why the heck would we settle for anything less?

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Bunkloco

[45Jack]

Bunkloco,
Do we need a strong third party. IMHO yes, maybe we nedd the Bull Moose Party.

But the reality is that either a Democrat or a Republican will win. A third party candidate won't win a national election.
Looking at that reality, are your guns and wallet safer with a dem or rep?

We need to start electing more third party candidates lower on the ladder and eventually maybe a political force could be built up.

As I see it, for now we have to play the hand we're dealt.

Jack

[Old Ironsights]

Bunkloco,
Do we need a strong third party. IMHO yes, maybe we nedd the Bull Moose Party.

But the reality is that either a Democrat or a Republican will win. A third party candidate won't win a national election.
Looking at that reality, are your guns and wallet safer with a dem or rep?

We need to start electing more third party candidates lower on the ladder and eventually maybe a political force could be built up.

Won't happen. The Dems own the Urban Centers (mucho votes) and the Evangelical Right/"yellow dog Republicans" vote Machine R no matter what. We saw that this election when we had the chance to get Dr. Paul - but the Machine wouldn't permit it.

As I see it, for now we have to play the hand we're dealt.

We can "for now" wait until the inevetible collapse. Short of "shooting the dealer" and starting with a new deck that's all we can do.