OT - Brits: Pocket knives more dangerous than terrorists

[Texican]

From the Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 269818.ece

Just as gun control efforts here started largely due to copying the British, some say it's on the horizon here. There are already stories of people being harassed (and detained) state-side for carrying knives (NYC for instance). As such, a proactive group has formed to fight any forthcoming knife-banning legislation.

http://www.kniferights.org

Watch for stories using the verbiage "knife crime" (just like they currently say "gun crime"). An inept phrase; crime is crime and none of it is the responsibility of the implement used. They never wail about an occurrence of "baseball bat crime".

Just something else to be aware of.

[Ysabel Kid]

So the sheep shall overrun the earth...

[cnjarvis]

Thanks for the link. I was looking for that yesterday and couldn't find it.

Idiocy - pure and simple.

[Old Ironsights]

I wonder when I will need a Chef's License to buy/transport kitchen knives.

They can pry my my $xxxx "assault" Henckel Knife Block from my Hot demiglace' soaked hands...

Oh, and given this:

He was ambushed by masked teenage boys who attacked him with a baseball bat and a knife with a 30cm blade.

Why isn't there a call to ban Bats?

Do you have anu idea how much damage I can do with the "sharp" edge of a cricket bat?

grr.

[KirkD]

While all the insight-bereft media and liberal 'thinkers' (now there's an oxymoron for you) are wondering what sort of knives are causing all the killings and stabbings, none of them seem to notice the elephant in the room ..... people. There is poison in the drink and it's called 'people'. I'd rather sleep in a roomful of people with high moral values and two semi-autos strapped to each of their waists than in a roomful of totally disarmed people each of who was intent on killing me at the first opportunity. If the liberal 'thinkers' want to know what it is that is causing the killing, it is called 'people'. And a special sort of people at that ..... people who typically have not grown up in a traditional family with a mother and a father who cared for them, loved them, gave them a good upbringing, and provided for them. So maybe they should be promoting that (except that it's politically incorrect).

[joachim slim]

i was at Jefferson barracks V.A. hospital and they have signs up now "no knifes" and that includes small pocket knifes. it is inforced by the on sight police dept.

[AmBraCol]

While all the insight-bereft media and liberal 'thinkers' (now there's an oxymoron for you) are wondering what sort of knives are causing all the killings and stabbings, none of them seem to notice the elephant in the room ..... people. There is poison in the drink and it's called 'people'. I'd rather sleep in a roomful of people with high moral values and two semi-autos strapped to each of their waists than in a roomful of totally disarmed people each of who was intent on killing me at the first opportunity. If the liberal 'thinkers' want to know what it is that is causing the killing, it is called 'people'. And a special sort of people at that ..... people who typically have not grown up in a traditional family with a mother and a father who cared for them, loved them, gave them a good upbringing, and provided for them. So maybe they should be promoting that (except that it's politically incorrect).

Dadgum it, Kirk. There you go again - making sense. BUT - by the very world vision of the "thinkers" behind these ideas - people are NOT the problem because, after all, they have no free will. And sense they are just programmed robots, anything that will trigger undesirable behavior such as the sight of a weapon MUST be banned. That's how THEY see it. Funny how relatively little violence was known back back when folks were taught personal responsibility instead of the current ideologies that are tearing our world apart.

[gundownunder]

Why isn't there a call to ban Bats?

Do you have anu idea how much damage I can do with the "sharp" edge of a cricket bat?

Dont laugh
I believe in Poland you must have a permit to carry a baseball bat.

Here in Western Australia we have had two people killed with cricket bats in the last 18 months.

And a special sort of people at that ..... people who typically have not grown up in a traditional family with a mother and a father who cared for them, loved them, gave them a good upbringing, and provided for them. So maybe they should be promoting that (except that it's politically incorrect)

Not to mention factually incorrect.
I'm an atheist and I grew up in a boys home (for "care and protection" ) were I was abused and assaulted regularly for many years.
I am still a decent, civilized, and law abiding person (though a somewhat cynical one). Meanwhile, some of the worlds worst psychopaths have come from those beautiful backgrounds you describe.

We are human.
We are the most violent animal on the planet.
If they took away everything we could conceivably use as a weapon some of us would still end up having pillow fights.

[Nath]

Some good points made on here by all.
I still say every body should carry. Individuals need to sort this, not a state. The bad guys are chicken and a few regular examples now and then would moderate their activities.
But I reason half my head will be smudged on the wall before it'll happen over here

Nath.

[AmBraCol]

Here's a lil' blurb I put up last year about this issue - complete with pics - of a similar effort here. BUT at least we can SOMETIMES carry firearms for self protection...

http://paulmoreland.com/2007/04/19/when ... -outlawed/

[KirkD]

And a special sort of people at that ..... people who typically have not grown up in a traditional family with a mother and a father who cared for them, loved them, gave them a good upbringing, and provided for them. So maybe they should be promoting that (except that it's politically incorrect)

Not to mention factually incorrect.
I'm an atheist and I grew up in a boys home (for "care and protection" ) were I was abused and assaulted regularly for many years.
I am still a decent, civilized, and law abiding person (though a somewhat cynical one). Meanwhile, some of the worlds worst psychopaths have come from those beautiful backgrounds you describe.

What I said is not factually incorrect. I have the results of two major published studies, one in the USA and another in Canada that look on the relationship between a child's upbringing and crime. The evidence is overwhelming that children brought up in a single parent situation, where the father has abandoned his responsibility, etc. will have a much greater chance of being involved in criminal activity, including violent crime, than a child brought up in the type of family I described. Remember, however, that these studies produce general conclusions. There will always be specific exceptions to the norm. There will be children brought up under ideal circumstances who will be murderers, and there will be children brought up under horrific circumstances who will be saints. But these are exceptions to the well established and documented norm and there are plenty of such exceptions (yourself included). The stats indicate, however, that although there are reasonable odds that an abused child will turn out to be perfectly fine, the odds that the child will be involved in crime are much greater.

[Texican]

We are human.

Agreed.

We are the most violent animal on the planet.

Wrong; Fire Ants are. Although Alan Dean Foster (sci-fi) wrote that we are the only species that express happiness by baring our fangs...

If they took away everything we could conceivably use as a weapon some of us would still end up having pillow fights.

Further agreed, some what. Imagine a perfect society were money is not required, where food, shelter and other basic needs are always met, and all weapons are totally banned. Imagine a prison. Those set upon committing violence will do so (and not with pillows). IIRC more are still killed by hands and feet each year than all other weapons combined.

Some recommend wearing a good stout leather belt with a heavy bronze buckle and a steel barreled pen for those places where all else is restricted. Better than nothing.

[Paladin]

It is just as bad here, I was flying back from a Bomb Squad Commanders Conference in San Diego when going through the Air Port (wearing a Sig 229) they stopped me as I was being escorted around one of the metal detectors and ask if I had a knife I said yes and showed them a 3in blade, Benchmade. They told me I could not carry that onto the aircraft. I ask why as I was wearing a firearm, he said the rules prohibited knives. I had to call his supervisor to get permission to get on the aircraft.

[99savage308]

Levergunner,

They won't let you on an airplane with a knife. But a sidearm was ok?
Now, I'm thinking this is really a cluster of the first degree. I blame them Brits.
We have been bailing them out of their clusters since we kicked 'em out of this country, twice. They made that mess over in the land of sand during the first big one and we are all paying for it now.
.

[FWiedner]

So the sheep shall overrun the earth...

The book says that the meek shall inherit the earth, but it doesn't say that they'll rule it.

[creosote]

The regulation of Knives is not about "safety".
The desired result is identical to "gun control".
The key word is Control.


creosote

[rimrock]

It would be just hilarious to me if a ton of hog guts were dumped on the door step of anyone advocating such a thing. I have stopped flying because of the knife thing. Now, I drive or don't go. I carry 2 around everywhere I go that my dad gave me--they are very special to me. I frequently make legitimate use of them. For example, we had a turkey dinner at work during Christmas where people were trying to carve it with knife so dull it wouldn't cut mustard. Mine worked well and fast.