POLITICS - Something I haven't yet read about Palin

[KT-45]

I haven't yet read or heard Sarah Palin compared to Harry Truman.

Truman was a political pick...a compromise if you will...but a man of principle who, when he ascended to the White House, showed his mettle and turned out to have more backbone than just about any other president in the 20th century.

(Yeah, yeah, he was a Democrat, but that was back when most Democrats had a spine!)

I think a Palin/Truman comparison would be flattering!

[Old Savage]

I am not buying that dems were ever good.

[Ysabel Kid]

I am not buying that dems were ever good.

Agreed, but of the Dems, he was probably the best one of the 20th century.

[Doc Hudson]

I am not buying that dems were ever good.

Once upon a time, long, long ago, the Democrats were the good guys.

They were the Party of Thomas Jefferson, and Andwre Jackson. The party that championed the common man against the various parties that attempted to impose a caste system on various parts of the country.

When the Republican Party came along in the 1850's, their first Presidential platform declared for Free Soil (Homestead Act), Free Men (abolition of slavery) and Fremont ( a lousy explorer, a lousy presidential candidate, a disasteerous general, and a fiasco as governor of Arizona Territory). During the course of 8 consecutive Republican Presidential administrations, the GOP became the party of riches, power, and privilege.

During the same time, the Democrats became closer and closer to Socialists in order to attract more working class and immigrant voters. The Socialization of the Democratic party continues to this day.

So once upon a time, Democrats were the good guys. but now they are just damnedolrats.

[Gun Smith]

My wife and I have been trying to figure out what McCain was thinking when he chose her. We all know that at least 50 of his advisors had some input. We feel that he chose a women so that Dem. women who don't like Obama will have a choice. Also she has a record as a corruption fighter and McCain says he wants to clean up Washington politics. She is anti-abortion, Dems. like that. It seems to us it was a clever move. The negative, of course is experience, yet she actually has more the Obama in public time served, but not at the same level of government. And her anti-abortion views, Reps. DON'T like that! Also, her ability to take control if something would happen to McCain. It remains to be seen what the outcome of a debate between her and Biden would be on foreign affairs. Many voters are worried about McCain's age and past medical history. Very interesting!

[Jeff Quinn]

I haven't yet read or heard Sarah Palin compared to Harry Truman.

Truman was a political pick...a compromise if you will...but a man of principle who, when he ascended to the White House, showed his mettle and turned out to have more backbone than just about any other president in the 20th century.

(Yeah, yeah, he was a Democrat, but that was back when most Democrats had a spine!)

I think a Palin/Truman comparison would be flattering!

Maybe it's just me, but I think that Sarah Palin is a whole lot better-looking than Truman.

Sure, he was cute in an old-short-gray-guy sort of way, but Sarah is a real babe!

[Hobie]

I haven't yet read or heard Sarah Palin compared to Harry Truman.

Truman was a political pick...a compromise if you will...but a man of principle who, when he ascended to the White House, showed his mettle and turned out to have more backbone than just about any other president in the 20th century.

(Yeah, yeah, he was a Democrat, but that was back when most Democrats had a spine!)

I think a Palin/Truman comparison would be flattering!

Teddy Roosevelt was chosen as a VP candidate to get him out of politics. Circumstances put him right where his own party didn't want him.

[Hobie]

My wife and I have been trying to figure out what McCain was thinking when he chose her. We all know that at least 50 of his advisors had some input. We feel that he chose a women so that Dem. women who don't like Obama will have a choice. Also she has a record as a corruption fighter and McCain says he wants to clean up Washington politics. She is anti-abortion, Dems. like that. It seems to us it was a clever move. The negative, of course is experience, yet she actually has more the Obama in public time served, but not at the same level of government. And her anti-abortion views, Reps. DON'T like that! Also, her ability to take control if something would happen to McCain. It remains to be seen what the outcome of a debate between her and Biden would be on foreign affairs. Many voters are worried about McCain's age and past medical history. Very interesting!

I think you mis-typed. Dems are PRO-abortion, Republicans ANTI-abortion (usually for each). She is ANTI-abortion.

She also has more executive position experience in the public and private sectors than ANY of the other candidates for President or Vice President. So she wasn't a Senator. That's like saying she wasn't a member of the House of Lords (which is increasingly how Senators view themselves).

[ole pizen slinger]

I like Palen because she got there on her own--by working for it, not riding someone else's coat-tails.

Besides, I want to look all those women in the eye who voted for Bill Clinton because "He's just SO good looking", and say, "I voted for Palen because SHE's just SO good looking."

[TomD]

What was he thinking? He was thinking he would like to nominate Liberman as his VP choice, but no mater how they ran the numbers he couldn't get a pass on the poling. Unlike everyone else out there, and particularly the media who make a lot out of the VP pick because it is something they can make a lot out of, I am willing to give a president a pass for thinking he might live out the next 4 years. The average guy his age has a life expantancy of like 85 or more beause eveverything that can kill you before 70 hasn't. I;m 50 and maybe my life expectancy is 77, but if you are 70 your life expectancy is higher than mine, not lower. The average guy doesn't have a few millions and a president's health plan to throw at it; and the average guy couldn't begin to take the stress he has shown he can campaigning the last few years. So he can be forgiven for thinking of her in her maverick, corruption fighting role.

[Ysabel Kid]

My wife and I have been trying to figure out what McCain was thinking when he chose her. We all know that at least 50 of his advisors had some input. We feel that he chose a women so that Dem. women who don't like Obama will have a choice. Also she has a record as a corruption fighter and McCain says he wants to clean up Washington politics. She is anti-abortion, Dems. like that. It seems to us it was a clever move. The negative, of course is experience, yet she actually has more the Obama in public time served, but not at the same level of government. And her anti-abortion views, Reps. DON'T like that! Also, her ability to take control if something would happen to McCain. It remains to be seen what the outcome of a debate between her and Biden would be on foreign affairs. Many voters are worried about McCain's age and past medical history. Very interesting!

I think you mis-typed. Dems are PRO-abortion, Republicans ANTI-abortion (usually for each). She is ANTI-abortion.

She also has more executive position experience in the public and private sectors than ANY of the other candidates for President or Vice President. So she wasn't a Senator. That's like saying she wasn't a member of the House of Lords (which is increasingly how Senators view themselves).

Bingo! To me, her not having served in the Senate is a HUGE plus.

And, just to make sure we are all straight as an arrow on this - the Dem's are "pro-choice" (their words; mine are "pro-infantcidal murders"); GOP is "pro-life" (i.e. - anti-abortion). Sure, this is not 100% either way; their are "pro-life Democrats" just as their are "pro-choice Republicans", but those positions are directly opposed to the "Party Planks" the Dems and the GOP make every 4 years.

Palin is not only "pro-life" in word, she is in deed as well. When informed her last child had a genetic birth defect (Downs syndrome) she had the baby anyway - the only thing someone can do who believes is her heart and soul that the child is indeed a life and a human being already at that point. It was revealed today that her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Again, many "pro-lifers" would be tempted given both of these situations to bend the rules for themselves for convenience. Especially politicians, who take positions often for the voting block and not due to any real commitment. Not Palin - she walks the walk, not just talks the talk. Her daughter will not have an abortion, and is going to marry the father. Yes, they will be young, but they will have the support of a loving extended family, and the child - a blessing from God - will live to see this world.

Palin is the real deal!

[Hobie]

Pro-choice and pro-life are marketing terms for pro-abortion and anti-abortion. Abortion is the killing of unborn children. I don't believe that I mis-spoke.

[Ysabel Kid]

Pro-choice and pro-life are marketing terms for pro-abortion and anti-abortion. Abortion is the killing of unborn children. I don't believe that I mis-spoke.

You didn't!

Gunsmith said "She is anti-abortion, Dems. like that." That is simply not correct. The Dem platform is "pro-choice" (which is, as you note correctly, "pro-abortion").

[jd45]

Ole pizen slinger, (BTW, what does that mean?) has jogged my memory with his comment about "working for it, not riding on someone else's coattails. I got just that impression of a certain Hillary Clinton who tried to play that strategy to get the Dem. candidate nomination. That Sarah's a real cutie, ain't she? I bet she's got stones like Ol "Go to Hell Harry", too. I am a conservative, but I have to admit, I admired Harry Truman. jd45

[Ysabel Kid]

Hillary would be just another unknown radical feminist female-dog had she not married Slick Willy. She would not now be a Senator, and would not have gotten any closer to the nomination than the streetwalkers in Denver.

[Sgt443]

"Palin is not only "pro-life" in word, she is in deed as well. When informed her last child had a genetic birth defect (Downs syndrome) she had the baby anyway - the only thing someone can do who believes is her heart and soul that the child is indeed a life and a human being already at that point. It was revealed today that her 17-year old daughter is pregnant. Again, many "pro-lifers" would be tempted given both of these situations to bend the rules for themselves for convenience. Especially politicians, who take positions often for the voting block and not due to any real commitment. Not Palin - she walks the walk, not just talks the talk. Her daughter will not have an abortion, and is going to marry the father. Yes, they will be young, but they will have the support of a loving extended family, and the child - a blessing from God - will live to see this world.

Palin is the real deal! "


You hit it Kid.

Compare. Barak Hussein Obama flatly stated he would not want his daughters punished with a baby if they made a mistake.

Miss Patty is still fired up over that one.

On the experience side, it should be "entertaining" to watch the spin. The Republican VP candidate has more experience running government than the Democratic President nominee.

I'm not completely up on the numbers but it seems that Governors are always more electable/better qualified than Senators.

Picking Mrs. Palin helped to ease my concerns about McCain. (He had my vote anyway just because of the numbers game. Too many judges to appoint, among other things. My conscience would not allow me to consider any other option.)

Lonnie

[El Chivo]

she actually has more the Obama in public time served, but not at the same level of government

Governors are more likely to get elected President than Senators, probably because the job is similar. Governors get things done, senators mess things up.

[Idahoser]

I don't know enough about Harry to comment. I do know socialism hasn't been the platform of any American party forever.

[bogus bill]

Kind of funny how they have topics on the news like palins daughter is knocked up, and her husband got a DUI (at 22 years old), Hands off the Family! We are not going to talk about it! We are honerable! Strike that, your honner, Jury, you will disregard what you just heard!

[45Jack]

Kind of funny how they have topics on the news like palins daughter is knocked up, and her husband got a DUI (at 22 years old), Hands off the Family! We are not going to talk about it! We are honerable! Strike that, your honner, Jury, you will disregard what you just heard!

17% of white babies are born out of wedlock.
66% of black babies are born out of wedlock.
50% of black females between the ages of 14 and 19 have or have had a STD.

Do we have a problem with our teenagers and unprotected sexual activity?
Oh hell yes. Does it need to be part of presidential politics? Oh hell no.

[rimrock]

+1 to 45jack.

What I've read says she has more utter determination than all 3 of the men combined. She stayed at fishing even with some broken fingers. she shouted down Sen. Stevens on the bridge, etc. Hunting and fishing seems to teach a lot about common sense, and so far Gov. Palin appeals to me from that stand point. Nothing like being put in your place by a classy woman armed with facts. if you draw a line in the sand with her, you best know what you really mean!

[ole pizen slinger]

jd45,
Found the term 'ole pizen slinger' by reading about buffalo hunters and some of the names they called their guns. One called his Sharps Rifle 'ole pizen slinger'--guess because of the large chunk of lead the rifle could sling at those critters. I love Sharps Rifles so it was natural to pick up the user name. By the way, are Sharps Rifles considered 'lever guns' by you folks?
ole pizen slinger

[Ysabel Kid]

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php? ... s&id=28288

[preventec47]

Correctly the issue should be described as Pro Momma vs Pro Unborn Baby.

I have always puzzled at how the Republicans became Pro Unborn Baby as republicans
basically are supposed to represent small govt, lesser programs and lesser welfare
etc. If we went back a couple dozen years and all the aborted babies had survived
there would have been billions of dollars of additional welfare program expenditures
for the mommas and support for the millions of unwanted children . From a fiscal
point of view, pro life is a very expensive position in the long run. How it became
the "Republican" posture I dont know.

The new VP is a wealthy woman with a huge support sytem unlike a 15 year old
who may have to become a dropout and a permant ward of welfare the rest of
her life because she got pregnant the first time and learns that the only way
to make a living is to have more babies and have the govt pay her more
money. We need to penalize the unwed mothers and fathers instead of rewarding
with a lifetime of economic assistance. I havent quite worked out the
appropriate punishment yet but perhaps simply the lack of reward would
be sufficient.

To all those who espouse the sanctity of live, I say great,
we will let all you guys choose to pay a half million dollars for each unwanted
baby verses a few hundred dollars to abort and a couple of thousand to educate
and train the momma for a productive life.

Just remember again I dont think the pro lifers have the right to dip into my wallet
to make me pay millions dollars for the mistakes of horny teenagers.

[Idahoser]

I'm gonna make one reply and I'm not going to watch the replies to it. I'm not interested in arguing the point. I would like to state the facts, once, clearly, so that they don't get drowned out.

It's not confusing at all that conservatives would want to protect the life of an infant. You wish to confuse facts by calling it 'tissue' because the murder of the baby couldn't be made legal if you called it what it is.

This does not conflict whatsoever, by the way, with the need to exterminate human animals who display contempt for human life.

It isn't the government's business, there, how about that? So I'll make you a deal. You get gov't money withdrawn from Planned Parenthood and I'll support Roe V. Wade.

You may now have your thread back, I won't be watching.

[rjohns94]

457Jack,

can you please tell me where those figures came from? I'm not questioning the veracity, I would like to see the source of them. thanks.

mike

[rjohns94]

preventec - Wow is all I can say about your comments. I am pro-life because the God I believe in gives value, through his Grace to every life. He knows everyone before they are conceived and cries on his heavenly throne at every murder of an unborn child. You have stated your opinion, I have stated mine. I won't argue, I'll just pray.

[Ysabel Kid]

Just remember again I dont think the pro lifers have the right to dip into my wallet to make me pay millions dollars for the mistakes of horny teenagers.

Neither do I - but it still doesn't justify murder. Abortion is murder; the intentional killing of innocent life.

Facts are pesky things, aren't they?

[ole pizen slinger]

I reply to this thread because the topic is important to me. I point no fingers at anyone. Abortion is a scurge on America. Here we have the greatest nation in the world and a Constitution that states "that all men are endowed with certain inalienable rights; among which are LIFE, liberty and the persuit of happiness." Yet we have senselessly taken the lives of 55,000,000 babies who never had the opportunity to enjoy this right. I can't find anywhere in the Constitution that a woman has the right to an abortion--but I can find that the Constitution gives one a right to LIFE. We have abortion because the mother doesn't want it. We have abortion because the man doesn't want to pay for it all its life. We have a society that wants to have its sexual promiscuity but doesn want to bear the responsibility for having sex. The Bible talks about "days in which people will lose their natural affection". What could be more natural than love for one's own offspring. Those days are here. Add up the population of our biggest cities: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta, San Francisco. We have mass murdered this much of the population because we want our fun without responsibiliity. I read of the horrors of the 'holocaust', yet there were only 6 to 7 million Jews who lost their lives--and they were all old enough to know to at least attempt to leave Germany. Yet we have killed 55,000,000 innocent babies who had no opportunity to run. What hypocrites we are in this country to see the 'mote' in the eye of the Germans and yet cannot see the 'beam' in our own eye. I cannot help but believe that America will one day pay a horrible price for killing what should be priceless. Those who believe, for whatever reasons, in abortion, I ask one question--"Would you want to have been one of those who was aborted?" Has life been so un-worth-living that you wish you had never been born? Another way to look at the terrificness of this--next time you are out at the mall, start looking at children--for every 5 that you see, 1 (one) didn't get the chance to live. I agree with Sarah Palin on this one: "Abortion should be outlawed."
ole pizen slinger

[preventec47]

Idealism is always nice like pie and icecream, but the bottom line is always
the economic one which is you cant have what you cant afford.
Sure lets multiply the US military ten times and stop the bloodshed
and terrorists all over the world while we are at it along with starvation
in every country etc. IF the 55 million number be accurate, and todays
adjusted for inflation of a quarter million $ to raise every child to the age
of 21 .... who is going to pay? And like I said, it is not just the cost
of the kids, it is supporting the mothers as well and then look at the
cost to society of a large number of them becomming criminals and
having to house in prisons for their lives beyond 21. more millions
wasted. Animal shelters killing pets is ugly but it is necessary
because no one wants to pay the extra taxes for the govt housing
millions of unwanted animals.
I dont disagree with the beauty of babies, I just say get a spine and
face the facts of the real world.
Here is is pro-lifer paradox, They all rally for bringing the unwanted babies
into the world with total disregard for the welfare of the mothers but I
dont see em getting in line to adopt them. Isnt that nice.
Ever heard the saying put your money where your mouth is ?

[Ysabel Kid]

Here is is pro-lifer paradox, They all rally for bringing the unwanted babies into the world with total disregard for the welfare of the mothers but I dont see em getting in line to adopt them. Isnt that nice. Ever heard the saying put your money where your mouth is ?

Hmmm - and where did one of John and Cindy McCain's daughters come from? Oh yeah, they adopted her - despite a cleft palet and heart issues. What did Sarah and Todd Palin do when they found out their baby had Down's Syndrome - they had it anyway and love and care for it as much as any of their other children.

Kind of sounds like walking the walk to me...

[L8agin]

Takes real balls to kill some one when they can't defend themselves Capital punishment is punishment for certain unlawful acts knowingly commited. Being concieved is a gift from the lord and in no way qualifies for capital punishment
We Just need to teach and live the complete concept of responsability for our actions and lack there of. Then there will be a father and mother-together-responsibly raising and nurturing a person.
Very short perspective to attempt to determine a lifes potential, positive or negative, at or following conception.
L8

[45Jack]

457Jack,

can you please tell me where those figures came from? I'm not questioning the veracity, I would like to see the source of them. thanks.

mike

I work in a college library I was helping a student with a report I'll try to find the original sources, myself and a librarian I work with were both shocked.
apparently the numbers are already out of date
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 59,00.html
Jack

[Dirty Dan]

preventec- your math is a little fuzzy. Not all of the 55 million are from unemployed, unwed teenage girls, some were aborted by successful, wealthy, 30 something (40 something) women who definitely would not be wards of the state. If the adoption route is chosen, most of the time the agency and/or the adoptive parents pay all the medical bills- again no wards of the state created.

[Dirty Dan]

I figured "ole pizen slinger" was a bar tender, as in, "name your pizen" and slingin' it across the bar.