POLITICS - How Gun Control Works (?)

[45Jack]

The gist of this morning's news story is: ex-boyfriend breaks in, shoots new boyfriend to death and stabs ex-girl friend.
All of this in Chicago where guns have been illegal since 1982. At least the new boy friend and the girl friend were law abiding.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... ?track=rss

[AJMD429]

It doesn't have to actually 'work' - it just has to:

1. Allow people who are irrationally afraid of guns to deal with their sense of inadequacy by punishing those who don't fear guns.

2. Allow politicians to appear to be 'doing something' - which in our society has become more important than actually doing something.

3. Allow the few who actually want a police-state instead of a free country to gradually disarm potential subjects.

It does all those things quite nicely.

It is an additional 'plus' that it also is counterproductive, and allows MORE crime to happen, which encourages stupid people to ask for MORE gun control. It thus is a self-perpetuating social trend, just like socialism itself.

[Sixgun]

It doesn't have to actually 'work' - it just has to:

1. Allow people who are irrationally afraid of guns to deal with their sense of inadequacy by punishing those who don't fear guns.

2. Allow politicians to appear to be 'doing something' - which in our society has become more important than actually doing something.

3. Allow the few who actually want a police-state instead of a free country to gradually disarm potential subjects.

It does all those things quite nicely.

It is an additional 'plus' that it also is counterproductive, and allows MORE crime to happen, which encourages stupid people to ask for MORE gun control. It thus is a self-perpetuating social trend, just like socialism itself.

Doc,
I hear 'ya and what you say is 100% true......but.................I am really with 'ya that many (if not most) Americans are too shallow or stupid to comprehend what you say. That means if the majority is stupid, we will have stupid laws with most people believing they are OK.

This all boils down to the "Anglo" thing. The more trash we let in this country, the more the "gene pool" is lowered.

I know this all sounds like a Hitler philosophy, (my Mother actually say him as a young child) but the only thing that will change it is ????? (I don't have the answer) Very sad for our future.-----------------------Sixgun

[Sixgun]

It doesn't have to actually 'work' - it just has to:

1. Allow people who are irrationally afraid of guns to deal with their sense of inadequacy by punishing those who don't fear guns.

2. Allow politicians to appear to be 'doing something' - which in our society has become more important than actually doing something.

3. Allow the few who actually want a police-state instead of a free country to gradually disarm potential subjects.

It does all those things quite nicely.

It is an additional 'plus' that it also is counterproductive, and allows MORE crime to happen, which encourages stupid people to ask for MORE gun control. It thus is a self-perpetuating social trend, just like socialism itself.

Doc,
I hear 'ya and what you say is 100% true......but.................I am really with 'ya that many (if not most) Americans are too shallow or stupid to comprehend what you say. That means if the majority is stupid, we will have stupid laws with most people believing they are OK.

This all boils down to the "Anglo" thing. The more trash we let in this country, the more the "gene pool" is lowered.

I know this all sounds like a Hitler philosophy, (my Mother actually say him when she was a young child) but the only thing that will change it is ????? (I don't have the answer) Very sad for our future.-----------------------Sixgun

[Sixgun]

It doesn't have to actually 'work' - it just has to:

1. Allow people who are irrationally afraid of guns to deal with their sense of inadequacy by punishing those who don't fear guns.

2. Allow politicians to appear to be 'doing something' - which in our society has become more important than actually doing something.

3. Allow the few who actually want a police-state instead of a free country to gradually disarm potential subjects.

It does all those things quite nicely.

It is an additional 'plus' that it also is counterproductive, and allows MORE crime to happen, which encourages stupid people to ask for MORE gun control. It thus is a self-perpetuating social trend, just like socialism itself.

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Doc,
I hear 'ya and what you say is 100% true......but.................I am really with 'ya that many (if not most) Americans are too shallow or stupid to comprehend what you say. That means if the majority is stupid, we will have stupid laws with most people believing they are OK.

This all boils down to the "Anglo" thing. The more trash we let in this country, the more the "gene pool" is lowered.

I know this all sounds like a Hitler philosophy, (my Mother actually say him when she was a young child) but the only thing that will change it is ????? (I don't have the answer) Very sad for our future.-----------------------Sixgun

[Sixgun]

It doesn't have to actually 'work' - it just has to:

1. Allow people who are irrationally afraid of guns to deal with their sense of inadequacy by punishing those who don't fear guns.

2. Allow politicians to appear to be 'doing something' - which in our society has become more important than actually doing something.

3. Allow the few who actually want a police-state instead of a free country to gradually disarm potential subjects.

It does all those things quite nicely.

It is an additional 'plus' that it also is counterproductive, and allows MORE crime to happen, which encourages stupid people to ask for MORE gun control. It thus is a self-perpetuating social trend, just like socialism itself.

Doc,
I hear 'ya and what you say is 100% true......but.................I am really with 'ya that many (if not most) Americans are too shallow or stupid to comprehend what you say. That means if the majority is stupid, we will have stupid laws with most people believing they are OK.

This all boils down to the "Anglo" thing. The more trash we let in this country, the more the "gene pool" is lowered.

I know this all sounds like a Hitler philosophy, (my Mother actually say him when she was a young child) but the only thing that will change it is ????? (I don't have the answer) Very sad for our future.-----------------------Sixgun

[Andrew]

...the only thing that will change it is ????? (I don't have the answer) Very sad for our future.-----------------------Sixgun

I don't believe I have the answer either. I think I know some ways to make it better, but what do I know?

[Old Time Hunter]

Guess I am just an angry cuss, that wants to stick to my guns and religion. That is why THEY want gun control! Next it will be religion control..or is religion already politically incorrect?

[DixieBoy]

I am completely in agreement with Doc, and I'll go further, and suggest what might fix things: Bulldoze the public schools right into the ground. This is a big part of our problem.

Ever wonder why generations passed didn't fall for nearly as much nonsense as folks do today? Even though they didn't have computers, and all of the other wonderful "advancements" of today?

I teach American History at the local community college here. I went back to school to do this, so I saw what goes on in the colleges of today before beginning teaching myself. It's five years now that I've been doing this, and over the last 2 years I've actually had students who didn't know who Lee and Grant were when we began discussing the War of Secession.

How do you get through 12 years of public schooling and not learn who these two men were? I'll tell you how, they take up the kids' time with diversity teaching, self-esteem teaching, multiculturalism teaching, and anything to divert from actually teaching the kids. It isn't the kids' fault, they're just products of the system their parents have plugged them in to.

If we're going to see this country saved, it will be due to the efforts of home-schooled kids, and those wonderful few kids who managed to survive the public schools with their critical thinking skills intact. Parents who cannot take their kids out of public schools can help the situation by pushing reading at an early age, and by staying involved as much as possible with the education of their kids. Raising a kid with basic common sense, and good critical thinking skills could go a long way towards fixing the mess we're in, but how many parents today are doing this?

Judging by what we see every day, not enough.

Sorry for the the little soapbox session, but it is a sad state of affairs when I am likely to be the first (or, only) Second Amendment-friendly professor these students will ever meet. How can that be, when at least half of the country claims to be in support of our gun rights? Food for thought. - DixieBoy

[donw]

the 'dumbing down' of american youth has been accomplished by liberal agendas set forth by 'special interest' groups such as the ACLU, NAACP, the committee for handgun contol, the brady campaign, etc.

i read of an incident involving a new mexico teacher who was actually re-writing events in history in text books to suit her...not actually what happened...

IMO, there's not much holding this nation together as a cohesive nation.

to me, and millions of other americans, the ILLEGAL immigration issue is a (one of them) key to our survival AS A NATION...congress and many others DO NOT see it as an important issue. well...a portion of the issue is now surfacing in the financial crisis we all face; the costs being poured out to illegal immigrants.

unless we get our act together, we are in deep doo-doo...

i also believe we are being "jockeyed" by powers that be, for the eventual, complete, govenmental take over of all...a police state...which, of course, will lead to gun confiscation, prohibition, etc; obama is a "one worlder" in concept. he will try his best to impliment it. he may not be the anti-christ, but it may be the setting of the stage for him to come on the scene.

unfortuantely for us that still value our right to own firearms, we are being castigated as being "the bitter, angry people who cling to their guns and religion" by one of those whom i believe may try a "power grab".

my point is that "GUN CONTROL" wil be hearlded as being necessary "for peace and security/for the benefit of all" and will the first of our rights to be taken in the name of the same. once that is accomplished, the rest of the constitution will be easily revoked, recinded, defeated...however you choose to word it.

[AJMD429]

my point is that "GUN CONTROL" wil be hearlded as being necessary "for peace and security/for the benefit of all" and will the first of our rights to be taken in the name of the same. once that is accomplished, the rest of the constitution will be easily revoked, recinded, defeated...however you choose to word it.

Yep - regardless of one's overall lifestyle, politics, or whatever, when it comes down to the final analysis, Mao summarized it nicely "power comes from the barrel of a gun." Like it or not, the Second Amendment is truly the most fundamental "civil right" - in essence, the right to defend one's life is the core which other rights such as freedom of speech, religion, and property ownership depend on.

[45Jack]

DixieBoy -
I work in a metro regional community college that is considered a "majority minority" school.

This Fall, 90% of our incoming freshman can not do college level math or reading.
They are in "developmental" classes, some starting at about the 5th grade level of math and reading.
Now if you have a population of high school graduates who can't even read / comprehend at the junior high school level, what will their analytical critical thinking skills be?

The resources that are used just to get these kids up to the level they are supposed to be when they graduate high school is incredible.
Some start their freshman year of college doing 5th grade math and reading. It can be a year and a half before they ever take a real college level class.