OT - What would you do??
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OT - What would you do??
I was out hunting today for tree rats and I came upon a situation that I would like to hear your opinion on.
In Pa, we are inbetween deer seasons. The late flintlock primitive season opens on the 26th and runs for a couple of weeks. As I was slow hunting along a creek bottom, I saw a doe deep in a thicket on high alert. I was busted, being about 10 yards from her, and as she STRUGGLED to get out of her bed, I saw her left rear leg was shattered and she was unable use it as she got up and looked over her shoulder. I said to myself that this deer was suffering and certainly won't make it through the winter. I was hunting with a 12 bore hammer shotgun from 1897 and I was carrying a pistol capable of shooting the deer. With her obviously suffering, I drew my pistol, taking aim behind her shoulder and ........
WHAT WOULD YOU DO:
Let her go, suffering as she was to perhaps hunt her during the BP season, allowing her to suffer for at least 4 more days.
Shoot her and put her out of her pain, even though she was not "legal" to shoot.
If you shoot her, do you call the game warden and tell them what you did, do you tag her and count her as one of your deer, Do you not tag her and take her home, donate her, or leave her?
Contact Game Officials to have them "attempt" to put her down, if they could find her, and if they had the inclination to do so.
What would you do??? I'll post later the end of the story
In Pa, we are inbetween deer seasons. The late flintlock primitive season opens on the 26th and runs for a couple of weeks. As I was slow hunting along a creek bottom, I saw a doe deep in a thicket on high alert. I was busted, being about 10 yards from her, and as she STRUGGLED to get out of her bed, I saw her left rear leg was shattered and she was unable use it as she got up and looked over her shoulder. I said to myself that this deer was suffering and certainly won't make it through the winter. I was hunting with a 12 bore hammer shotgun from 1897 and I was carrying a pistol capable of shooting the deer. With her obviously suffering, I drew my pistol, taking aim behind her shoulder and ........
WHAT WOULD YOU DO:
Let her go, suffering as she was to perhaps hunt her during the BP season, allowing her to suffer for at least 4 more days.
Shoot her and put her out of her pain, even though she was not "legal" to shoot.
If you shoot her, do you call the game warden and tell them what you did, do you tag her and count her as one of your deer, Do you not tag her and take her home, donate her, or leave her?
Contact Game Officials to have them "attempt" to put her down, if they could find her, and if they had the inclination to do so.
What would you do??? I'll post later the end of the story
Mike Johnson,
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I think I'd shoot the deer. The question is then what to do?
You might go find a warden and keep the conversation between you and him. In other words don't go telling the dispatcher why you need him if you must go that route but I would think that if you talked to him one on one and offered to donate the meat to a shelter somewhere you might be in the clear. It would be his call as long as you didn't FORCE him to MAKE a call in front of someone else. He might even deliver the meat for you to keep things honest.
What happens to road kill in your area?
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You might go find a warden and keep the conversation between you and him. In other words don't go telling the dispatcher why you need him if you must go that route but I would think that if you talked to him one on one and offered to donate the meat to a shelter somewhere you might be in the clear. It would be his call as long as you didn't FORCE him to MAKE a call in front of someone else. He might even deliver the meat for you to keep things honest.
What happens to road kill in your area?
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The letter of the law always views things in BLACK and WHITE. Despite your motive, you could be charged for Killing a Deer out of Season and possibly shooting a deer and not tagging it. He could also accuse you of being the individual that shattered the deers leg in the first place. I have seen others make judgement calls like this and what seems like what may be right at the time is CONDEMNED by others later.
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I'd shoot her and leave the carcass for the varmints. They get to eat, too.
A couple of years ago, my son put down a buck deer that had been arrowed in the top of the back with a broadhead. He was moving very slowly and about 20 yds away when he looked straight at Clayton right before the shot. I'm sure he was in pain and it was a relief to finish it. The wound stank to high heaven and we could not get anywhere close without handkerchiefs over our noses so we didn't even try to cut him open but hauled it off to where the coyotes and buzzards would clean up the mess.
A couple of years ago, my son put down a buck deer that had been arrowed in the top of the back with a broadhead. He was moving very slowly and about 20 yds away when he looked straight at Clayton right before the shot. I'm sure he was in pain and it was a relief to finish it. The wound stank to high heaven and we could not get anywhere close without handkerchiefs over our noses so we didn't even try to cut him open but hauled it off to where the coyotes and buzzards would clean up the mess.
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I put up nearly the same post about a year ago on the old site.
I was out dirtbiking in NW PA and came across a doe with a shattered front leg. I wanted to put her down but had nothing more than a Swiss army knife with me. It was getting dark and I knew by the time I got back to my cabin and back she'd be long gone even if I could find her again. I was pretty deep into an unfamiliar area.
I did go back out the next morning w/ my .41 S&W with the intention of putting her down. She was obvioulsy in pain and starving. Pretty sure I found the right spot but she was gone.
To my suprise I got blasted by a couple guys for not going back out and putting her down.
Seriously doubt i would have found her in the dark. Now i don't ride without a shooter and a GPS. Just for that reason.
Very glad you were able to do what should be done.
I put up nearly the same post about a year ago on the old site.
I was out dirtbiking in NW PA and came across a doe with a shattered front leg. I wanted to put her down but had nothing more than a Swiss army knife with me. It was getting dark and I knew by the time I got back to my cabin and back she'd be long gone even if I could find her again. I was pretty deep into an unfamiliar area.
I did go back out the next morning w/ my .41 S&W with the intention of putting her down. She was obvioulsy in pain and starving. Pretty sure I found the right spot but she was gone.
To my suprise I got blasted by a couple guys for not going back out and putting her down.
Seriously doubt i would have found her in the dark. Now i don't ride without a shooter and a GPS. Just for that reason.
Very glad you were able to do what should be done.
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The only right thing to do is the "humane" thing. The "letter of the law" has nothing to do with the situation, most enforcement types I know, fully understand difference between the letter and the spirit. As you didn't INTEND to break the law if you'd drop it and leave it where it lay. However, taking it, whether you tagg it or not would not be viewed as magnaminiously. Nature will recover that which is hers in such a fashion as she deems fit.
Faced a similar quandry when hunting; came across three scrawny legal bucks. And I mean scrawny! Ribs showing, hollows in the hips, plainly wasting away. To kill or not to kill? That day I elected to let nature take her course. Another day and I might have made another decision.
I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last nite!
Faced a similar quandry when hunting; came across three scrawny legal bucks. And I mean scrawny! Ribs showing, hollows in the hips, plainly wasting away. To kill or not to kill? That day I elected to let nature take her course. Another day and I might have made another decision.
I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last nite!
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Put her out of her misery....then move on.
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148 grain +P Lead Semi Wadcutter Hollow Points are effective deer cartridges at 10 yards. She fell back into the thickets she struggled out of. This also validates the load for self defense. Shot behind the near shoulder to the opposite shoulder, and shot her once more when I got over her. No calls were made. I also tore up one of my doe tags.
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Laws of Physics cannot be disobeyed.
Laws of God must not be disobeyed.
Laws of Man are matters of choice.
The first two determine that you need to kill the deer, and determine the best way(s) to do so quickly and humanely with what tools are available.
The third merely gives you a choice as to how much paperwork or risk of arrest you are willing to engage in.
Laws of God must not be disobeyed.
Laws of Man are matters of choice.
The first two determine that you need to kill the deer, and determine the best way(s) to do so quickly and humanely with what tools are available.
The third merely gives you a choice as to how much paperwork or risk of arrest you are willing to engage in.
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I was hunting the Cactus Ranch last year, had been in a tree where I nailed a board to sit on and was watching a 25 acre field of wheat full of deer about 2 hours looking for the fattest doe. I finally picked her out with about 30 minutes of shooting time left when a 2.5 year old buck came hobbling out of the tree line with a shattered front leg (bone protruding). He was hopping around feeding and was directly in the sun. Up to that point I was having a beautiful day and watching him hop around put a quick end to that. I wanted that fat doe bad, but that was not an option. I waited till Hoppy got just out of the sun and dispatched him at 90 yards. Of course the others ran like hell.
Dragged him to the fence line. His front foot was locked backwards at the ankle. Drive home - no meat till next trip.
Dragged him to the fence line. His front foot was locked backwards at the ankle. Drive home - no meat till next trip.
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+1. You did the right thing Mike. We are stewards of this earth, and should always show mercy to the creatures God has given us for our use. Never let the law prevent you from doing what is right. That said, there is no point in subjecting yourself to a pinhead bureaucrat who wasn't there when you made the right decision.AJMD429 wrote:Laws of Physics cannot be disobeyed.
Laws of God must not be disobeyed.
Laws of Man are matters of choice.
The first two determine that you need to kill the deer, and determine the best way(s) to do so quickly and humanely with what tools are available.
The third merely gives you a choice as to how much paperwork or risk of arrest you are willing to engage in.
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I didn't have to think about what was right, had a problem with leaving her but there was no way to get her out without drawing attention and by so doing, my motives would have been called into question. In South central PA, we have few coyotes but the foxes and other opportunist will have a good start on the winter.
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