Wolves are killing my moose!
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Wolves are killing my moose!
These were taken on a scouting trip to our Quebec moose hunting concession.
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I've worked with Dr. Dave Mech on his wolf studies 86er.
The photos that you took are a once in a lifetime opportunity.
A guy just doesn't see wolves in the wild much, and to see, and be able to take the pictures that you did, are a gift.
Don't worry, there will still be moose to hunt in your area.
In fact, if you would have yelled at the wolves, they most likely would have fled.
A wolf is a coward. It is the ONLY animal that will leave it's young if they are disturbed, buy an intruder, even if that intruder is a man.
I shoot all of my deer in an area that has two active packs, and have had the luck to see them in the woods while hunting. Otherwise only with collars on them, and tranquilized.
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The photos that you took are a once in a lifetime opportunity.
A guy just doesn't see wolves in the wild much, and to see, and be able to take the pictures that you did, are a gift.
Don't worry, there will still be moose to hunt in your area.
In fact, if you would have yelled at the wolves, they most likely would have fled.
A wolf is a coward. It is the ONLY animal that will leave it's young if they are disturbed, buy an intruder, even if that intruder is a man.
I shoot all of my deer in an area that has two active packs, and have had the luck to see them in the woods while hunting. Otherwise only with collars on them, and tranquilized.
Eric
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No, these pics are not cool - on the contrary quite unpleasant. It a good proof of a photographer's art, but it depicts the destruction of game and hunting.Saloon slug wrote:WOW how cool is that. Nice pic's
Here in Sweden wolves are fastly growing in numbers, and where wolves dwell, moose and deer soon are more or less extincted. The last month 8 dogs have been taken by wolves and also cattle and sheeps only in the small region of Vaermland.
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When the balance of nature gets tipped one way or the other there's inevitably going to be problems. Predatory animals and prey lived together long before man started meddling. Then it get's complicated.
This is just a natural act in the wild. Understandably if there's an over abundance of any predatory animal they'll desimate the local prey. Sounds like animal control needs to make an appearance. That's what we call a bounty.
This is just a natural act in the wild. Understandably if there's an over abundance of any predatory animal they'll desimate the local prey. Sounds like animal control needs to make an appearance. That's what we call a bounty.
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Wolves are killing my moose!
To me it's an amazing site thanks for posting
This is rubbish with respect to moose and deer; all surveys show that the moose population is decreased by approx. 10% by the wolves, except on a VERY local scale. And there are only around 150 wolves in all of Sweden (roughly the size of CA). They do pose a serious threat to hunting dogs where they do occur though.Old Shatterhand wrote:No, these pics are not cool - on the contrary quite unpleasant. It a good proof of a photographer's art, but it depicts the destruction of game and hunting.Saloon slug wrote:WOW how cool is that. Nice pic's
Here in Sweden wolves are fastly growing in numbers, and where wolves dwell, moose and deer soon are more or less extincted. The last month 8 dogs have been taken by wolves and also cattle and sheeps only in the small region of Vaermland.
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Part of the whole point of reintorducing wolves was to kill the game animals to reduce interest in hunting and guns. The other is some simple minded time marches backward thinking of reestablishing some past eco system - like the should already be extinct condor. 2/3 of the species that have ever lived are extinct.
The photographer should have had an AR-15 in the stand with him, and after taking photos eliminated the threat! I for one don't have any sympathy for wolfs or their little cousins, coyotes, and would like to eliminate as many as possible. Ask yourself a question, why were wolfs killed off years ago? -JDL
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My advice is to shoot, shovel, and shut up.
There was someone here on this site a few years ago who shot a wolf in self defense and was almost charged with a federal crime IIRC.
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There was someone here on this site a few years ago who shot a wolf in self defense and was almost charged with a federal crime IIRC.
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Excuse me! Didn't moose and wolves each successfully survive while living in the same area at the same time? That is the impression I have always had. Is it wrong?
From my Environmental Science course it is my understanding that as prey animals increase, predator animals follow suit. As the predators make enough of an impact on the prey population and it is reduced, they also impact their own population with a reduction. Increase, increase: Decrease, decrease. As Linda (how ever you spell) Ellerbee says; "And so it goes!"
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From my Environmental Science course it is my understanding that as prey animals increase, predator animals follow suit. As the predators make enough of an impact on the prey population and it is reduced, they also impact their own population with a reduction. Increase, increase: Decrease, decrease. As Linda (how ever you spell) Ellerbee says; "And so it goes!"
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The wolves were killed off because people didn't know any better, just like here in Australia the wedgetail eagle was slaughtered to near extinction. They used to say that wedgies killed lambs. it wasn't till after the slaughter that they found out that they dont eat lamb except on extremely rare occasions. Wolves and wedgies in the right quantity are part of the balance of nature.
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When a baby sparrow takes a tumble from the big palm tree in the backyard, what Heidi the Boxer and Bitsy the Boston Terrier do to it is not pleasant for the sqeamish to watch , either. Wolf food does not come from cans and bags.
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Old Savage;
Thank you for the responses. I pray they cause many of us to think about the wolves, the moose, and life itself.
If a Christian is dumb, he or she will be "eaten" by Satan; right along with others without a relationship with God (YHWH). Great Spiritual point!
It is never "just fine" that human kids (or adults, for that matter) are killed by wolves or any other animal - including being murdered by other humans. From times past, right through today, if the guilty wolf, wolves, or other guilty animal (including humans) is found it is destroyed. That is a Biblical response, by the way, and is (or sure should be) supported by Christians. Please note that there is a difference between killing and murdering. Only humans are ever murdered - while other animals and under some circumstances humans are killed. Many people are surprised to find out that the original words of the Bible (the sixth Commandment) does not condemn killing (KJV and some others based on the KJ); only murder(all original Hebrew, Septuigent and almost every other translation).
No. It will never be "OK" with me that Christians were fed to hungry lions. I should hope that in today's world it would not be "OK" with anyone. The people who did this were guilty of murder.
Biblically, after the flood, God allowed humans to use animals for food - just like predatory animals do. However, it does not allow the use of human animals for food.
If you eat meat, you are doing (or are responsible for someone doing for you) exactly what those wolves are doing for themselves - getting food. As another human who eats meat as food, I am in the same boat. However, I pray my killing of food is what we humans might call more "humane." (Humane - another topic!)
Sorry so long - but appreciate the opportunity.
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Thank you for the responses. I pray they cause many of us to think about the wolves, the moose, and life itself.
If a Christian is dumb, he or she will be "eaten" by Satan; right along with others without a relationship with God (YHWH). Great Spiritual point!
It is never "just fine" that human kids (or adults, for that matter) are killed by wolves or any other animal - including being murdered by other humans. From times past, right through today, if the guilty wolf, wolves, or other guilty animal (including humans) is found it is destroyed. That is a Biblical response, by the way, and is (or sure should be) supported by Christians. Please note that there is a difference between killing and murdering. Only humans are ever murdered - while other animals and under some circumstances humans are killed. Many people are surprised to find out that the original words of the Bible (the sixth Commandment) does not condemn killing (KJV and some others based on the KJ); only murder(all original Hebrew, Septuigent and almost every other translation).
No. It will never be "OK" with me that Christians were fed to hungry lions. I should hope that in today's world it would not be "OK" with anyone. The people who did this were guilty of murder.
Biblically, after the flood, God allowed humans to use animals for food - just like predatory animals do. However, it does not allow the use of human animals for food.
If you eat meat, you are doing (or are responsible for someone doing for you) exactly what those wolves are doing for themselves - getting food. As another human who eats meat as food, I am in the same boat. However, I pray my killing of food is what we humans might call more "humane." (Humane - another topic!)
Sorry so long - but appreciate the opportunity.
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Let us keep our debates about the wolf and the consequences of their predation at home, and not import them here.M27 wrote:This is rubbish with respect to moose and deer; all surveys show that the moose population is decreased by approx. 10% by the wolves, except on a VERY local scale. And there are only around 150 wolves in all of Sweden (roughly the size of CA). They do pose a serious threat to hunting dogs where they do occur though.Old Shatterhand wrote:No, these pics are not cool - on the contrary quite unpleasant. It a good proof of a photographer's art, but it depicts the destruction of game and hunting.Saloon slug wrote:WOW how cool is that. Nice pic's
Here in Sweden wolves are fastly growing in numbers, and where wolves dwell, moose and deer soon are more or less extincted. The last month 8 dogs have been taken by wolves and also cattle and sheeps only in the small region of Vaermland.
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Duh? So it's OK for you ,but not OK for me to repsond??? With scientific facts... Sounds GREAT!Old Shatterhand wrote:Let us keep our debates about the wolf and the consequences of their predation at home, and not import them here.M27 wrote:This is rubbish with respect to moose and deer; all surveys show that the moose population is decreased by approx. 10% by the wolves, except on a VERY local scale. And there are only around 150 wolves in all of Sweden (roughly the size of CA). They do pose a serious threat to hunting dogs where they do occur though.Old Shatterhand wrote:No, these pics are not cool - on the contrary quite unpleasant. It a good proof of a photographer's art, but it depicts the destruction of game and hunting.Saloon slug wrote:WOW how cool is that. Nice pic's
Here in Sweden wolves are fastly growing in numbers, and where wolves dwell, moose and deer soon are more or less extincted. The last month 8 dogs have been taken by wolves and also cattle and sheeps only in the small region of Vaermland.
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To all of you wolf supporters, I hope that the government reintroduces all of the species that have been eliminated in YOUR states over the last 200 years.
I'm sorry to tell you, but the pristine wilderness where prey and predators lived in balance is gone.
How about reintroducing the grizzly to southern California?
I'm sorry to tell you, but the pristine wilderness where prey and predators lived in balance is gone.
How about reintroducing the grizzly to southern California?
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I can think of a few Kalifornians I'd like to introduce to Mr. Grizz!
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Yes these are cool pic's.Old Shatterhand
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Saloon slug wrote:
WOW how cool is that. Nice pic's
No, these pics are not cool - on the contrary quite unpleasant. It a good proof of a photographer's art, but it depicts the destruction of game and hunting.
Here in Sweden wolves are fastly growing in numbers, and where wolves dwell, moose and deer soon are more or less extincted. The last month 8 dogs have been taken by wolves and also cattle and sheeps only in the small region of Vaermland.
Old Sh.
Now I am sorry to hear that your country is not responsibly controling the wolf population. That is some thing you need to take up with your government. Not thrash on people here about.
Do I like the fact that they brought the wolf back yes. Do I think there should be controls in place i.e. hunting seasons and limits once a population has been established Yes. Should ranchers and farmers be able to kill animals that are going after their stock Yes.
And for those that say we should bring grizz back to SoCal great but to be realistic there is so little worth while habitat left here that they would probably die out in short order.
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