OT - Uberti Cattleman SA

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:51 pm

What is the opinion on these from those who are familiar with these guns.

bogus bill · Post by **bogus bill** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:25 pm

They tell me they are a good gun for the money. I have two, but one I havent and wont fire. I picked it up cheap years ago at "the gunshop" that you help support. A patten commemertive. The other is a cimmeron thunderer. The ejector is too short to be usefull, but that is because of the short barrel. Workmanship is fine on both.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:17 pm

Old Savage wrote:What is the opinion on these from those who are familiar with these guns.

Many summers ago when I was just legal an Iver Johnsons imported Uberti made Cattleman SA in .45 Colt was my very first center fire revolver. It was a very nicely fitted example of Italian gun making. I had only one complaint; the front sight was too short. I had to add an extension to it to get the pistol to shoot to point of aim.
I allowed myself to be talked out it. Dummy me.

My second one was the same as the first except it had some miss fit problems with the cylinder bolt vs the hammer cam. The end of the bolt had a sharp edge that chewed up the cam. So the timing went to heck on it.
Once that was fixed it worked just fine except for the short front sight.
That one got traded off on a NM Ruger BH. YUCKA PHOOY, what a mistake!

I haven't had one since then, but I wouldn't refuse to buy one if circumstances and money were to match up.

Joe

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:53 pm

Savage:

I just had a 4-5/8" Uberti Cattleman out to the local range this afternoon, along with a 16" Marlin 1894 "Marlin Limited" in 45 Colt.

My Uberti has brass gripstraps, casecolored frame, and blued cylinder and barrel. Using the Winchester factory Cowboy loads it will bust claybirds standing on edge on the 25 yd berm. The fired cases fall out of the cylinder without touching the ejector rod. I've not had one problem with that Uberti.

I have an identical 4-5/8" Taylors & Co. 1873 Uberti with steel gripstraps and 45 Colt and 45 ACP cylinders. In 45 Colt it shoots great. When I switch in the 45 ACP cylinder it sometimes doesn't index correctly, and even broke the leaf spring on the hand. I found the lugs on the rear of the cylinder to be not well finished and some stoning and polishing took care of it. Now it shoots ACP like a dream.

The Uberti Cattleman is one HECK of a gun for the $$$, IMO.

Noah

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:55 pm

I had a 7.5" Uberti Single action Army, which is the same as the cattleman except with an adjustable rear sight.

With 125gr 38spcl +p and factory 158gr 357mags at 25 yds it was surprisingly accurate.

I was consistently getting 2.5" groups from the bench.

It also had a nice and tight lockup.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:43 pm

I bought one for my wife a few years ago. I like it alot fits nice the action is smooth and the trigger is clean and light.

Cattleman Frisco

I will bring it to the SoCal get together you can try it out there.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:54 pm

Thanks JR.

Pisgah · Post by **Pisgah** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:15 pm

I've had the Flattop Target version of the Cattleman for about three years now, and it is a superb revolver in every respect.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:31 pm

Hello OS,

If you are looking to buy one, try to find one of Uberti's later versions. They are more like the colt type action much more so than the older "D" cam guns. One way to tell if it's one of the newer guns is the cylinder base pin will look like it's not fully seated or if it is seated the hammer will be about an 1/8" off the frame. This is because the base pin has two retainer notches where the cross latch holds it. When the pin is fully seated it passes all the way through the frame enough to hold the hammer off the frame and the firing pin off the primer.
Like Joe said, the older "D" cam guns had really sharp bolt tines that tended to chew the squared corner of the "D" shaped cam which in turn caused the gun to go out of time prematurely. The "D" cam gun usually had a tiny set screw in the top of the hammer between the face and the spur.

For awhile there the Uberti SAA's were coming with the two position base pin type safety, but in the transition from the "D" cam to the current guns Uberti did use some of the "D" cam type hammers in the new guns. The good news is the cam is not "D" shape and the safety piece under the firing pin is non functional.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:42 pm

My pleasure and dont worry its in .45colt

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:50 pm

The one I was looking at is a new one in stainless steel. Appreciate the info.

jfwlb · Post by **jfwlb** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:23 pm

Newbi here with my first post, but lurker for awhile

Funny you should mention this. I was just at the Orange County, Ca. gun show yesterday and today and talked to the EMF sales manager, Don Davenport. He stated that while the cattleman series is a good entry level saa, that the new "Great Western II Custom Series" is a much better value.

He said that they take a cattleman and have Doug Turnbull apply his custom case hardening finish to it. While it is taken apart for this, they also install a lighter mainspring and get rid of all the burrs, etc.. from the insides and working parts. Then they reassemble it and sell them.

Don was a great guy to talk to and I was very impressed. So much so, that I bought one of his customs, and one of their new sxs shotguns, and a Uberti 1873 deluxe border rifle!

Will post pics when I pick them up.

John

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:25 pm

had a Cattleman in dual cylinder version .44-40/.44 Special. It was a great gun, and shot well. I wasn't a fan of the .44 so I sold it and bought one in .45 Colt. I also got one in .32-20 when that caliber came out, and it has become my favorite singl action revolver!

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:28 pm

I'm found of mine - and all the other Uberti guns I have!

Rebel1972 · Post by **Rebel1972** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:51 pm

A local gun shop has one in .45 for $429 and a ruger super blackhawk in 44 magnum for $450, Which do you think is the best deal?

Timothy · Post by **Timothy** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:56 am

My only gripe with uberti is their hammer saftey. Taylors and cimarron have the saftey in the base pin which looks a lot better.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:15 am

jfwlb wrote:Newbi here with my first post, but lurker for awhile

Funny you should mention this. I was just at the Orange County, Ca. gun show yesterday and today and talked to the EMF sales manager, Don Davenport. He stated that while the cattleman series is a good entry level saa, that the new "Great Western II Custom Series" is a much better value.

He said that they take a cattleman and have Doug Turnbull apply his custom case hardening finish to it. While it is taken apart for this, they also install a lighter mainspring and get rid of all the burrs, etc.. from the insides and working parts. Then they reassemble it and sell them.

Don was a great guy to talk to and I was very impressed. So much so, that I bought one of his customs, and one of their new sxs shotguns, and a Uberti 1873 deluxe border rifle! Will post pics when I pick them up.

John

Hi John,
And welcome. I agree with Don. The EMF GWII's are the best SAA's coming out of Italy now. The GWII Custom series are the ones with thefinish upgrades Not only the Doug turnbull guns but the Nickled ans stainless as well.

Timothy wrote:My only gripe with uberti is their hammer saftey. Taylors and cimarron have the saftey in the base pin which looks a lot better.

Read my earlier post. All of the current Uberti's have the Base pin safety, not just taylors or cimarrons.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:56 pm

I find it kind of amusing how lots of folks are beating their chests and saying "BUY AMERICAN" even if they cost more over in the thread about buying American Tires vs Chinese Tires and in this thread people are buying the heck out of FOREIGN MADE Uberti revolvers.

How about if everyone boycotts the Italian guns the same as Chinese tires and buys American made guns. Hmmmmmmm, the Ruger Vaquero comes to mind. American made at a reasonable price.

Lots of original American made Winchester Model 1873s, Model 1886s, Model 1892s along with Spencers, etc. are also available so why buy those foreign lever action clones.

bogus bill · Post by **bogus bill** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:26 pm

To a big point you are right. However there is a huge difference between china and italy.

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:43 pm

bogus bill wrote:To a big point you are right. However there is a huge difference between china and italy.

+1.

I know lots of folks; friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc., that have relatives in Italy. I don't know anyone that has relatives in China.

And that's NOT a Sino-phobic statement.

Noah

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:27 pm

Noah Zark wrote:
bogus bill wrote:To a big point you are right. However there is a huge difference between china and italy.
+1.

I know lots of folks; friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc., that have relatives in Italy. I don't know anyone that has relatives in China.

And that's NOT a Sino-phobic statement.

Noah

Ever eat in a Chinese restaurant? If so, using your logic, you shouldn't. Those folks have plenty of ancestors in China.
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bogus bill wrote:
To a big point you are right. However there is a huge difference between china and italy.

Yes there is but no matter what the differences your dollars are still being funneled to foreign countries and you're supporting/aiding/abetting the transfer of American jobs to off shore manufactures.

I too must hang my head in shame because I own a Browning BL22 made in Japan by Mikoru for Browning but ALL of my other guns are all made in America. Jeesh!!!!!!! Now in order to put my money where my mouth (errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, fingers) is, I'll have the sell the BL22.

bogus bill · Post by **bogus bill** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:48 pm

Well, your right again. My only defense is I also own approximently $50,000 worth of colts, smith & wessons and winchesters collected over the last 50 years.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:54 am

bogus bill wrote:Well, your right again. My only defense is I also own approximently $50,000 worth of colts, smith & wessons and winchesters collected over the last 50 years.

I know you probably do Bill. I was just making a point that before we (myself included) start crying "Buy American" we ought to take a look around to see what we have. These days it's pretty darn hard to buy American exclusively if not impossible.

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:06 am

Modoc ED wrote: Ever eat in a Chinese restaurant? If so, using your logic, you shouldn't. Those folks have plenty of ancestors in China.

I did eat Chinese once, and immediately found out just how much I like to breathe. The albuterol inhaler just took the edge off long enough to make to to the ER for a breathing treatment and seven days of Prednisone.

Noah

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:13 am

Modoc ED wrote: . . . I was just making a point that before we (myself included) start crying "Buy American" we ought to take a look around to see what we have. These days it's pretty darn hard to buy American exclusively if not impossible.

Absolutely +1.

It is tough to buy 100% American, but if we do so when we have the chance, then we've done our part, IMO.

I bought my 2001 Subaru Outback wagon used from my then-80 yr old mother when she bought a new 2005 Outback. My neighbor is a vocal "buy American" proponent and gave me a ration of excrement one day over the hedge for buying Japanese. I pointed out that my USED Subie was built by Americans in Lafayette, ID. I asked where his Crown Vic was built, and he said USA (of course). I invited him to look at the sticker on the driver's "B" door pillar. It said "Made in Mexico of Mexican and North American origin parts" or some such. Sure made his day.

Noah

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:18 pm

Buy American if you can if they make what you want.

slabsides · Post by **slabsides** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:55 pm

Hi guys... I read much, post little. Great forum.
To get this back on track, tho, I bought a Uberti .45 back quite a ways...about 18 years or so ago (the brain doesn't retain as well as it used to.)
My Uberti was ordered with fixed sights...showed up with opposed screw
type adjustable rear and ramp front sight. Barrel length as ordered was 4-3//4", brass grip frame, case cylinder frame, blue barrel and cylinder.
It had the hammer safety. This gun was imported at that time by Mitchell.
Fit and finish were beautiful. Made a lovely gun in the hand, and cylinder gap was narrow (<.003.) I fell in love with it.
At the range, it shot like a target gun...tiny single hole groups at 20 yards, but 5 inches high!! This with the 'adjustable' rear screwed down solidly onto the frame. Strike one.
Two weeks after I got it, the mainspring broke while dryfiring. Strike two. A wonderful idea, egregiously realized, I decided. A kit gun, in other words. I also suspected that the steel was a mite softer than safe.
I mailed Mitchell, who sent a new spring. With regret for the gun's accuracy and good looks, I sent it down the road: traded it even up for a cherry OM 4-3/4" .41 M Blackhawk, which I still have and love.
I have conditionally recommended the Uberti SA's since, while cautioning people to beware of the springs and sight problems. I have since read that just about all the Italian SA's are 'cavalry sighted' to zero at long, long range, as mine was. (Yeah I know...not really.) But boy, could that little blaster shoot tiny groups![/i]

Scott64A · Post by **Scott64A** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:29 pm

Never owned one but had a friend that had one for two months. That's how long his kit gun lasted.

Same problems listed above. Broken spring, shot high and it got loose after shooting about 500 rounds of factory ammo.
My friend traded it to another guy who "liked the looks of that cowboy gun" for a Ruger NM BH that was well used but shot great.

He and his dad did a trigger job on it and he still has it some 10 years later. It still shoots sweet little groups with factory ammo.

Some like the Uberti guns, and some don't.

If you want quality, get a Colt, Ruger or a S&W.
If you want to shoot cowboy loads and have a pretty little Italian number, get an Uberti.

By the by, they really do make a nice BP revolver.

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